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Topic: Allis chalmers wd45 head gasket
Posted By: hunter321
Subject: Allis chalmers wd45 head gasket
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 12:56pm
I am replacing the head gasket on my wd45 and was wondering how difficult it will be.
I'm planning on leaving everything bolted to the head and only replacing the head gasket and valve cover gasket



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Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 1:12pm
I'm not planning on replacing the head bolts


Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 1:52pm
I think you will have to remove the rocker arm assembly to gain access to some of the head bolts. Not much of a job at all. You'll have to readjust the valves when you're done anyway.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 2:06pm
How hard is it to readjust the valves


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 3:36pm
My head gasket has been bad for a while and I'm just now realizing.


Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 4:21pm
I was able to readjust the valves and i am a moron. Just ask my dog


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 4:57pm
What do I have to do to readjust the valves


Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:02pm
Its like any any valve adjustment. Clearance guide and a little patience. Instructions in the owners manual


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:05pm
In all honesty, if you organize the push rods by placing them in a piece of cardboard with 8 holes in it, and place them back EXACTLY where they were before you took it apart, the engine will run fine. This is because the valve lash really doesn't change just by replacing the head gasket. A new gasket or an old gasket are the SAME thickness. This isn't the best scenario, but someone who doesn't know how to adjust valves, this is the best way. The million dollar question would be WHY do you think the head gasket it bad and in need of replacement ??


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:12pm
My oil is full of coolant and water


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:21pm
Before you even think about removing the head, remove the oil pan and pressurize the cooling system (radiator). This will allow you to see where the coolant is coming from that is contaminating your oil.

The 201 or 226 engines are not known for head gasket problems. I doubt the head gasket is your problem. It is more likely an O ring on one of the sleeves, a hole in a sleeve or possibly a cracked head. 


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:28pm
It runs perfectly fine with the water oil mix.
This tractor sat outside uncovered for 15 years


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:30pm
How would I pressurize the radiator


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:36pm
I know the head is not cracked


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:46pm
No, you don't. Are there any frost plugs under the valve cover that are rusted out or pushed up out of place ?? My money is that or a cracked/split BLOCK.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:49pm
You should be able to rent a pressurizing kit from a local auto parts store or buy an inexpensive one from Harbor Freight.

If you are sure the head is not cracked, I assume you had it off. Did you use any sealant on the head gasket when reinstalling? Have you retorqued the head?


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 5:56pm
It didn't look like any frost plugs are rusted or out


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 6:25pm
Before we do any major tests we are going to put used engine oil in and put everything back together and add head gasket sealer to see what that does


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 6:33pm
" My oil is full of COOLANT and WATER."     This is a confusing statement. Water and antifreeze (coolant) actually mix together. They do not stay separated.  WATER comes from rain water from the exhaust system not being adequately covered or sealed up when sitting outdoors. COOLANT (anti-freeze) comes from the engines cooling system having an internal leak.....rusted out freeze plugs in the cylinder head, a leaking head gasket (usually not likely) leaking sleeve Orings (again not normally likely) and a cracked block on the bottom, which is very likely. Remove the oil pan. Make sure the cooling system is full and pressure test the cooling system by pumping it up to no more than 10 psi and wait and see where the COOLANT starts dripping from. It may take a day or more to see any drips if it is a slow/small  leak.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2024 at 7:23pm
To check for holes we are going to fill the radiator with water and leave the oil plug out and if it drains the radiator we are going to wait and have a shop work on it


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 6:26am
You need to re-read and DIGEST what DrAllis is saying here. Simply leaving water in the rad won't show up the leak unless it's really, REALLY, bad. It needs a pressure test in order to show it up & even then it can take a couple of days to see anything.

Firstly though, if it's plain water in the pan NOT coolant (and assuming the rad has coolant) then I'd be tempted to replace the oil & run it a while to see if it's not just rainwater from standing outside. 


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 7:22am
Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

It didn't look like any frost plugs are rusted or out

I have (often) seen the outside where they looked fine, but the inside was badly corroded and they were leaking. 

Pressurizing the cooling system is quite easy and it will show where the leak is coming from. Right now, you are guessing where it MIGHT be coming from.

I don't mean to be rude, but it seems like you are asking for advice but planning to ignore it. There is a lot of experience on this forum. If you aren't going to listen to the advice we are giving, you are wasting our (and your) time.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 3:47pm
Is there any way to pressurize the radiator without the special tool. I can't get one right now.
I'm not trying to waste your time, I was hoping that I would not have to buy all new gaskets again. The oil has antifreeze in it.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 3:59pm
Sometimes, local auto parts stores (like NAPA, Autozone, Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys, O'Reilly's, etc. ) will "loan" specialty tools like a pressurizing kit. You pay for the kit, use it and return it for a full refund. 
In my opinion, that will be (by far) your best first step. It's pretty hard to fix something when you aren't sure what the problem is.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 4:10pm
I will try to get a pressure tester. How will I know what the problem is, where will it leak for each possiblity. How would I know if it is a head gasket


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 4:14pm
Remove the oil pan, top off the coolant and pressurize the system. Put a clean piece of cardboard under the tractor.  Find out where the coolant is dripping (maybe very slightly). Then take a good light and try to trace where the coolant is coming from.


Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 9:49pm
Do you have anyone in the area that would coach you a bit? Many people are willing to help if you are willing to learn. Maybe trade some labour for some coaching. Smile


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 10:08pm
I just get the feeling we aren't getting a fully accurate story.  The first post says " I'm replacing the head gasket and wonder how difficult it will be".  The next post says "I'm not replacing any head bolts".    As I read along, I'm beginning to think the head gasket has already been replaced and there is still a problem. Maybe not. Maybe the explanation is just poorly written. It would have been nice to know if this is a tractor that has been sitting for 15 years out in the wide open spaces without a juice can on the muffler and they just now have gotten it running, OR it's been running for quite some time and in the past had been sitting outside for 15 years, which really doesn't make any difference now. And the "I know the head isn't cracked" statement. How do you KNOW that?? unless you already had the head removed and magnafluxed for cracks ??? by a machine shop???


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 10:17pm
Sorry for all the confusion


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 10:18pm
Yeah, but you haven't cleared anything up either. How EXACTLY does the story go ???


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 9:07am
This tractor had been sitting outside with a cover on the stack for 15 years. I have had it running for 5, and in that time I never checked the oil, I had to add antifreeze every once in a while. The other day I checked the oil and it was milky. so I drained it and 3 gallons came out. I pulled the valve cover off and it looked like vanilla pudding but the rockers looked great. I probably have 30 hours running the tractor


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 10:01am
So,,,,,you've got 30 hours of running in 5 years?  You did NOTHING to this tractor since you bought it?  You didn't change the oil in those 5 years?
" It runs perfectly fine with the water oil mix."  You may have kissed your crank bearings goodbye doing this.
"put everything back together and add head gasket sealer to see what that does"  WHY and WHERE are you adding head gasket sealer?

Like the good Dr says,,,,,we NEED the full story.  From the time you got it and ALL that you did to it since.  Give us the COMPLETE story.

BUT,,,,,,,the help and info that you have been given so far is good.  The FIRST thing to do is to pressure test the system!!!

We ARE trying to help you....there are STEPS that you must take to find out what is wrong.  THEN you can go about fixing them.  It's NOT hard, but necessary.

We're pulling for you to get this going and working correctly.
Don't get frustrated, it'll all come together once we KNOW EVERYTHING and then we can help.
GOOD LUCK!!


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 10:43am
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/wiring_topic177450_page1.html" rel="nofollow - wiring - AllisChalmers Forum - Page 1
here is what i have done so far
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UFrPqZJGU3uhSaHj19A6XjEK9KKMHNtJbAfLofFBzV8/edit?tab=t.0" rel="nofollow - tractor - Google Docs
i also split the tractor and repaired the hand clutch
i also replaced the muffler



Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 11:18am
why does everyone think the worst. this was my grandpas tractor, when he parked it he drained all the fluids and tarped it but the tarp was destroyed a year later and he never retarped it


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 11:48am
Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

why does everyone think the worst. this was my grandpas tractor, when he parked it he drained all the fluids and tarped it but the tarp was destroyed a year later and he never retarped it

The issue is, right from the original post there's been unclarified confusion & omissions to the timeline of things.

Doc's not trying to poke at you (none of us are, we're all in this for the orange after all Wink ), but it's hard to help diagnose something from afar even when you DO have the full backstory in order.  I get not all of us are the greatest with wording stuff (hell I'm not!) so that others understand but I think it might help if we draw a line under all that's gone before & if you start from the beginning with a "bullet point" kind of list going from how long the tractor sat, how long it may have been uncovered, if the exhaust might have ever been open, then the process of getting it up & running (what fluids were empty/what fluids you changed/what you didn't/engine stuck or not and the like) and how we got to the point of the oil being full of antifreeze including any other work done in between getting it running and now.

One thing I will say is, if your grandpa drained the fluids before storage then it's possible he was running straight water & not antifreeze (he'd have drained it to save freezing the block) and on that basis it may well have rotted a freeze plug from the inside.  Whether we "go from the top" or not though, the logical next step I'd suggest remains the same in that we pressure test & verify where the leak is coming from.  Fingers crossed for you it's as simple as a freeze plug & not a crack in the block.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 11:51am
the easiest way to explain what has been done is to have you read the links i posted


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 11:52am
Yep, I'm on that soon as I get a chance ;)

Really crossing my fingers for a rotten freeze plug here!


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:04pm
Just started reading through & from that I believe the oil pan was off & the bolts missing when you got started on the machine correct?

In that case I'd have to presume grandpa parked it because he was having the issue you've now uncovered, and perhaps he had even pressure tested it & determined the cause.

Either way I think from that, we're likely looking at a pre-existing fault.

Also from further reading, you've done a hell of a lot to this tractor & seems like you're learning as you go. Good stuff, keep after it!  you'll get it in the end.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:06pm
i was told he parked it because the final drive went out. it did


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:10pm
I do know that the valve cover was removed sometime because the gasket has rtv


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 12:14pm
I'm only up to the part after the fair so far, where you found a hole in one of the final drive pans. Was that rotted out or had parts blown through it? I'm guessing the former since you were able to pull-start the tractor previously?

Either way, reading this is getting me in trouble with the Mrs now so going to have to break off and help with cleaning up for a while! Good stuff so far though, keep at her!


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

the easiest way to explain what has been done is to have you read the links i posted

So you want us to go back and read a 13 page thread? Dead Plus the google docs?

The easiest way to get help is to be cooperative and just tell us the pertinent information. I do remember attempting to help you on some electrical issues, and as I recall it was just as difficult getting you to give good feedback then.
Best of luck to you on your project, you're gonna need it.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 3:20pm
I attempted to do the pressure test but I found that I need a new thermostat housing gasket.
So I made it.
Will tast again later


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 6:08pm
Just a little operational advice: Every time you use a farm tractor that has been sitting overnite or longer, you should check the engine oil level and the radiator coolant level. Not only checking the oil level, but paying attention to the CONDITION of the oil on the dipstick. Your coolant was going down. You were adding coolant to keep the radiator full. But, you weren't checking the engine oil and it appears that's where it was going. The dipstick would have shown you were gaining in the oil pan and if operated wouldn't have even looked like motor oil, tipping you off there was something wrong. Coolant in engine oil is very bad for main/rod and camshaft bearings. Gotta figure out where the coolant leak is before using it any more.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:05pm
The test showed it to be leaking around the middle 2 cylinders.
Because this is a farm tractor is there some sealer like head gasket or block sealer I can use and keep a eye on the oil


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:14pm
If it is leaking in the center of the block, on both sides of the center main bearing webbing, I'd say the block is cracked. There might be something that could seal it up but I don't know what it would be. Remember, antifreeze leaks even easier than water as the molecules are smaller.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:18pm
It's not leaking from the block. It's coming from the side of the cylinder sleve


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:22pm
The outSIDE?? or the INSIDE of the sleeve?? There is a huge difference. The outSIDE of the sleeve would be sleeve Orings. The inSIDE could be the head gasket.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:32pm
Outside.
I don't want to pull the cylinder sleeve.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:58pm
I'm going to try dike sealer


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 7:59pm
I don't mean to tell you I told you so, but you saved yourself replacing a head gasket that wasn't the problem.

You might not want to pull the sleeve, but you might not have a choice if you want to save the engine. When you get the sleeve out, you will know immediately if it's a bad O ring. You can try stop leak, but leaking O rings on a sleeve are not that hard (or costly) to replace.

Before you do anymore, get yourself an Allis Chalmers service manual (not IT) and follow the directions. 


Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 8:02pm
Try a product called irontite sealer. You add it to the coolant. Can not hurt anything. Only thing I have ever seen that may help.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2024 at 8:42pm
I'll let you know how the sealer works


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 7:26am
You are young. Nothing wrong with that but I'll tell you that taking shortcuts don't get you where you want to end up.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 1:16pm
I have been running the sealer for a day and the leak is gone


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 4:10pm
Don't get so convinced that you quit checking the engine oil and radiator coolant levels. After sitting overnite (or a few days) on the level, loosen the engine oil drain plug to the last thread and gently let some oil leak out. If there is ANY coolant leaking into the oil from above, it will be right there on the bottom.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 7:25pm
Ok
I plan on testing some more tomorrow. Once I'm sure that the problem is fixed I will change the oil again


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 7:55pm
I turned the tractor off and now it won't restart. It sounds like a dead battery but the charger says it's fully charged.
The engine is not seized because I can turn it by hand with the crank.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 10:40pm
Make sure you can turn it over by hand at least TWO full turns.


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 10:42pm
.....because it could have coolant in the cylinder stopping it from turning.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 10:45pm
I got it started


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 6:48pm
The oil turned brown again
The sealer didn't work. dont know what to do


Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 7:30pm
What was the no start issue? Is the oil level going up?


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 7:50pm
The battery cable was loose.
The oil level is a bit higher and it's now brown.
I pulled the valve cover and there was water in it


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 7:54pm
What to do ?? You have two choices. #1. Do nothing and drive it off in the weeds. Remove parts that you could sell or use on another tractor of the same model.   #2. Tear the engine apart and fix it. This could cost several hundred dollars in parts alone and maybe upwards into a couple thousand dollars. You say it must be sleeve Orings. I say the block is cracked. Either way the only way to KNOW and fix it, is to tear it down and inspect it and repair accordingly. TWO choices. Not three or four or five choices.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:08pm
Why do you think that the block is cracked


Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:21pm
Probably his 50 plus years of experience with those engines.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:22pm
I'll spend as much money as I need to to fix this tractor.
It's special to me


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:22pm
Because I'm old enough to have seen several broken blocks in the last 50 or more years. People didn't keep strong enough antifreeze in them or forgot there was straight water in them and cold weather came along and the block froze and broke. I myself have never seen a bad sleeve Oring on an A-C gas engine. but it could be. You are totally missing the point: Oring or cracked block takes the same labor to discover what the failure is.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:25pm
I'll start pulling the head tomorrow


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:29pm
You might start by pulling the pan and once again watch and see where the coolant is coming from, and then start tearing it apart. When each connecting rod cap is removed, clean the journal with brake Kleen and place a piece of tape over the oil hole to keep out any dirt.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:44pm
I don't think I've ever been able to determine if you have already had the cylinder head off or not ??  If there are 3 cracks on top of the block between all the sleeves, there is a good chance it is split down below where the Orings are. The block has to be sanded/wire brushed clean between the sleeves to be able to see cracks if there are any. There will be some who say that cracks on the top of the block don't hurt anything. That is kind of true. 1 crack maybe. 2 cracks, not so much. 3 cracks, pretty doubtfully that things are good down below. And especially when you have coolant going into the oil pan.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:50pm
I never took the cylinder head off. Butt there was silicone on the valve cover gasket


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 8:54pm
Is there any chance that it is just a head gasket.
I am just looking for any hope for my tractor.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 10:13pm
I wasn't laying underneath the tractor with the pan removed looking at it. You said the coolant was coming from around the O.D. of the sleeve(s).  A leaking head gasket could leak coolant down thru the push rod and camshaft area, not around a sleeve O.D.  A leaking head gasket could also leak into the INSIDE of the sleeve and run down past the piston and rings. But, in the end, I don't remember ever having to replace a leaking head gasket, but I sure remember leaking cylinder head freeze plugs and split blocks.


Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 10:18pm
Head gasket, not very likely. If the gasket was bad around the fire ring area, it could let coolant leak into a cylinder and over time, leak past the piston rings and get into the pan. But that would be obvious when starting the engine. Excess coolant would blow out the exhaust or it may not even want to turn over when cranking the starter. That is called hydro locked. It's not easy to compress a liquid. Removing a spark plug and then cranking the starter would get the coolant out of that cylinder. Even if this were to happen, it creates another problem. If the fire ring area was bad, it will now let the cylinder compression leak into the cooling system. You would know this too,when the radiator cap can't hold all that pressure and the coolant just pours out the overflow. Another area for the head gasket leaking coolant into the oil would be over by the push rods. But that would show up by coolant dripping off of the lifters and cam lobes, when looking from below. My understanding was that you saw it leaking from the sleeve area. Regardless, a complete tear down will likely be needed.   For good or bad, I've also got over 50 years experience on these engines. Damn we're getting old Doc.


Posted By: hunter321
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 10:37pm
How could I tell if it's just the freeze plugs


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 5:32am
With the cooling system full and pressurized with the radiator pump tool and have the valve cover removed. There are 2 or 3 plugs right there on top easy to see. Antifreeze will leak much quicker and easier than straight water as its molecules are smaller.


Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 8:09am
A leaking freeze plug would let the coolant travel down the pushrod holes and drip from the lifters and cam shaft area, not around the sleeves.


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 9:02am
Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

I don't think I've ever been able to determine if you have already had the cylinder head off or not ??  If there are 3 cracks on top of the block between all the sleeves, there is a good chance it is split down below where the Orings are. The block has to be sanded/wire brushed clean between the sleeves to be able to see cracks if there are any. There will be some who say that cracks on the top of the block don't hurt anything. That is kind of true. 1 crack maybe. 2 cracks, not so much. 3 cracks, pretty doubtfully that things are good down below. And especially when you have coolant going into the oil pan.

Ooooh dear... Not looking good for my B's block then!  I noticed small cracks between the liners on that a while back but had the same thought "it's only between the liner tops, won't hurt" (maybe more in hope than expectation).

Guess it's fair to presume a lot of these blocks got frozen over time, but I did kind of hope it stayed together down below.  I've got to pull the pan back off to address the damaged drain plug anyway but wish I'd known to check there before I put the tractor back together haha! Ah well, I suppose at least I didn't invest too much time or money in it yet!


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 10:12am
The smaller block isn't quite as bad as the 201-226 block for cracks down below I don't think. I'm just saying, if there's 2 or 3 cracks on the top deck AND you have a coolant in the pan issue, why wouldn't you think it wasn't cracked down below ?????



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