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Water in OilI am getting older and slower

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Topic: Water in OilI am getting older and slower

Posted By: Bob N
Subject: Water in OilI am getting older and slower
Date Posted: 26 May 2024 at 4:42pm

What is the best way to determine where the water is getting in the oil on an Allis B. I am getting older and slower for a few years ago I would not be asking for help. Thanks and any help would be appreciated. I have checked the freeze out plugs in the head and tomorrow I will pull the head. Bob N.

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 May 2024 at 5:56pm

DON"T PULL THE HEAD !! Drop the oil pan. Fill the radiator. Pressurize the cooling system and wait and see where the COOLANT may be coming from.

Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 26 May 2024 at 6:34pm

Is it water or coolant? Clear or green?

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 May 2024 at 7:03pm

if not the freeze plugs, then normally the liner o-rings.... easy to add a cup of BARS copper engine block sealer and run for an hour.. should seal it up... or you can pull the pan like Dr said and verify.

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Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 26 May 2024 at 7:10pm

it is coolant and it showed up after sitting thru the winter

Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 5:41am

I'm with the good Dr. Drop the pan and pressurize the radiator. I bet the sleeve orings are leaking.

AaronSEIA

Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 6:16am

How closely did you check the core plugs in the head? I had one that I swore the ore plugs were good, but when I pulled them out, one had a tiny hole that wasn't visible from the top.

I, personally, would change them. I bet you will be surprised how bad they are when you get them out.

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 6:42am

This is why one should never disassemble the engine first. Drop the pan and pressurize the system and FIND the leak so then you KNOW where the problem is.

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 3:06pm

I have the pan off and the engine block clean but having trouble pressurizing the radiator. I am going to put some red food coloring and go at it again. I do not think it is the cylinder O-Rings and leaning to a head gasket. The tractor set all winter and it took almost a gallon of water to fill the radiator. I changed out the head last summer and probably did not check the head for flatness but with all your help I will get it. I think I have about 8 heads laying around.

Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 4:09pm

Don't know if there's an Auto Zone near you , but that's where I got a loaner cooling system pressure tester . It fit my D 15 rad . Good luck !

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 4:12pm

I did not think it would fit a B but will try

Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 6:39am

Kit I used had a tapered fitting that goes inside the radiator inlet. Worked for me
It does require a $250 deposit, but it's refunded when returned. Good luck

Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 6:44am

[QUOTE=Bob N]I have the pan off and the engine block clean but having trouble pressurizing the radiator. I am going to put some red food coloring and go at it again. I do not think it is the cylinder O-Rings and leaning to a head gasket. The tractor set all winter and it took almost a gallon of water to fill the radiator. I changed out the head last summer and probably did not check the head for flatness but with all your help I will get it. I think I have about 8 heads laying around.[/QUOTE

They make a dye you pour into the cooling system and when a black light is pointed up into the bottom of an engine, the leaks really jump out. Food coloring in a bright color works also but the dye really helps as you can easily see "runners" such as a crack someplace that drips someplace else.

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Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 7:12am

I used dye to find a hydraulic leak once. Worked really good. Not that spendy either.

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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 7:17am

I have a "TracerLine" setup myself and several different dyes for different fluids. None are expensive and will save hours chasing something elusive. The lamp is expensive up front and I went with a 12VDC unit as it's bright enough to see a leak in broad daylight. Any black light will work, but the brighter the better to get the leak to "jump out".

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Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 3:54pm

Did the pressure test and I have water dripping from the middle main and would that be the head gasket or do I need to install another head ?

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 4:44pm

hard to tell a gasket from the head without pulling and inspecting the gasket and pressure testing the head,... i would look close and make sure its not running off a liner edge.. Normally a head gasket is high enough up that you would only loose 2 quarts of antifreeze.... a gallon would mean lower spot on the block.

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Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 6:18pm

I am guessing 1 gallon for my daughter in law added the water but when I drained the water off of the oil it was less than a gallon. I might just install another head and take my chances. Thanks for your help

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 May 2024 at 9:12pm

Make sure the block isn't split down the middle.

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 29 May 2024 at 4:44am

are you talking about the cracks between the sleeves

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 May 2024 at 6:17am

YES.

Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 29 May 2024 at 6:26am

My understanding is the cracks between the cylinders at the top are common and of little significance; cracks at the bottom would be bad though.

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 May 2024 at 7:31am

You are correct, but when there's coolant in the pan, one has to be SURE the block isn't broken on the bottom. The coolant is coming from somewhere.

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 29 May 2024 at 12:57pm

I am sure it is coming out of the center main for I cannot see or feel any water around the liner or block

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2024 at 8:47am

Sorry for the late update but just received the head gasket and pulled the head today and one thing I noticed was the head bolts came off easy but I should have checked the torque before I removed them like I said I am 84 and moving a little slower upstairs. I have another head and going to use it. I replaced the engine last year and it was not running right and found that the head had sucked a valve and so I changed that out and my son said they did not have the water problem until I changed the head. I am going to replace the freeze out plugs and use another head and will keep you informed. Bob

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 1:28pm

Update, I put one gallon of water in radiator and still have the same problem. After a closer inspection it seems like the water is coming from #2 or #3 sleeve so I am going to pull them and check it out further for I have plenty of sleeve sets and O rings and will keep you informed. Bob

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 3:55pm

I have done this with success.... Pulling the motor is permanent,... but a LOT OF WORK..

if not the freeze plugs, then normally the liner o-rings.... easy to add a cup of BARS copper engine block sealer and run for an hour.. should seal it up.

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Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 5:57pm

I am at the point of no return for I am looking at the sleeves and I think I will pull them and should take care of it or trash the block and build another and go from there. Thanks for all the help but should have it done tomorrow. Bob alias allisca

Posted By: Bob N
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2024 at 10:28am

Sorry for not getting back sooner but had a lot of honey do's to do. The problem was the cylinder o rings for replaced them and problem solved. Used the rad pressure tester from advance and that did the job. Thanks everybody for your help Bob

Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2024 at 11:47am

Glad you got the problem resolved. Thanks for the update

Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2024 at 12:19pm

Thanks for the update Bob. I've been wondering , glad it's fixed.