Got a Hd5g in trade
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Topic: Got a Hd5g in trade
Posted By: Noah
Subject: Got a Hd5g in trade
Date Posted: 22 May 2024 at 9:56pm
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Traded some welding and fabrication for this machine, I would love to use it for a year or two on a property I got. it starts right up and moves and steers. Cylinders have been rebuilt and seem to be good condition. It does leak just about every type of fluid from somewhere but the main issue I see is one side track is loose and the other is good. I was actually amazed because the sprockets havent been welded and seem very good condition,the side with the loose track has woen down the back side of the sprocket tooth but I believe i can re surface that. the grousers are still like an inch tall and on the underside of track, there isnt any wearing through on the chain. One of the idlers seems to be different and I hope to get some information from more knowledgeable people. Thank you in advance,The model number on the back behind the counterweight is Hd5g 15783 [IMG][/IMG]       
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 8:45am
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Due to the different angle of the photos it is hard to tell if the idlers are pushed forward the same amount. I am wondering if someone may have removed a link in the tighter track. The spoked idler looks correct, not sure where the solid one came from
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 9:03am
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Les, I will get some better pictures soon. There should be 33 links correct? Thank you for the response and your help. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 10:17am
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Srl # makes it a 1952 machine , can't see good of the loader cross bar behind bucket but looks like early type , not round update . Early ones had a tendency to crack in several places . Pins on loader frame may be early type where they hook to top point on loader frame - shorter by 1/2 " or so . Other part is early machines did not have 2 reverse speeds switching gearing for loader work . One extra roller was added to truck frame on long track machines . Track is DOZER track pads as the 5G used a flat track with 3 raised area for grouser wear area. Looks like someone bent or broke the truck frame from picture of RT side angle reinforcement above rock guard , and piece added to front of Left side front of truck frame . With no counterweight or turning with full bucket they do bend the front axles easily and can bend the ears that support the front idler . Front idler might be late HD6 , also wear on back side of sprocket may mean someone replaced the rear sprockets and switched sides of machine with them to bring unworn side of sprocket to contact bushing . Grab bushing and feel top side of it for wear to see if they have been turned . HD6 uses same undercarriage parts as the HD5 - in fact full rear housing on 5 and 6 are the same . The single grouser will be hard on all parts of undercarriage when turning especially if bucket is loaded - take it easy when turning Allis Chalmers HD5A Short Track (33 links) Oscillating Truck Frames, 44" Tread
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 23 May 2024 at 1:00pm
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Also notice the links for bucket dump are bent , those should be straight . A picture of HD5G from Face book site for AC Crawlers https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=8257971664232905&set=pcb.7391130264318875" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=8257971664232905&set=pcb.7391130264318875 ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 9:52am
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Coke, Thanks for the reply and information. I knew this thing was well used and obviously over 70 years old, am I crazy for thinking I can get a year or two of off and on use out of it? I didn't even notice the dump links being so bent. There are quite a few cracked welds in the loader area but I figure that's the least of my worries. What additional pictures or information would help to identify the cause of the loose right side track. Thank you again, I have a passion for keeping old things going, so this loader caught my eye. Mostly just concerned lack of parts in the UC will be my downfall. Unless I can find more hd6 parts to swap.. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 1:47pm
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just noticed the odd plate on truck frame by spring or adjuster area , looks like might have been a attaching point for some other use like dozer framework or something . Looking at area just ahead of sprocket can't see if it is welded there from repair or replacement . my HD5G is a 1955 , sold a 1948 HD5B (4 digit serial #) nd a 1952 HD5G a few years back It's not always age but previous use that makes a machine worth keeping . Just noticed bucket dump cylinders , not HD5G cylinders , have been replaced with a later style . Evidently in it's past life a lot of modifications or replacement parts have been obtained ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 2:00pm
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A threaded rod is used to push the idler ahead for track adjustment. There is a diamond shaped piece also threaded, the outer corners have bolts sucking them up tight as a lock to keep rod from turning. Judging undercarriage in pictures is still just an educated guess. I would say the one track look tighter than it should be. But it looks like the tractor may have backed into were it is sitting. This always tightens the track, a trick the tractor jockeys used at auction sales of crawlers. They made both styles of idlers. I think they are the same size. The old HD5 G here has one of each as well. A very capable machine. I have lifted rocks that we chained to stay on the bucket with the HD 5G that is here. A ruff guess of over 3 ton, the tractor was tipped up on the idlers, and we backed a flatbed truck under the bucket. Just don't use it as a battering ram. Of course, don't think you can move things as fast as a newer machine. If you take your time it will move a lot.
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Posted By: AjsAllis
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 3:54pm
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 24 May 2024 at 10:33pm
| I imagine the replacement cylinders may have more lifting force, causing the bent links. There are quite a few welding repairs to accomplish but that doesn't scare me. Lack of parts do. I haven't been able to do anything with the loader quite yet. I will update you all real soon. Thanks |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 27 May 2024 at 4:06pm
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I see in one picture the outboard axle bearing has a grease zerk in the plate and 2 guards welded onto it . Many were drilled in the housing instead of the cap as there is a flat area that is easily modified . As dozer frame was bolted onto the housing on the B crawlers with outside frame attached at axle . Parts are out there as many of the machines are still around - might not be running but parted out . Was a common weak spot it seems of upper rear first reduction bearing on outboard side , to go bad and crack housing ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 10:13pm
Okay, sorry for the long delay. After building the grizzly grate i traded for the hd5, I built this trailer so I would have a way to haul it. I estimate my 7.3 f250 to be GVWR at 25k lb on the way home with the loader on trailer. I will be unloadimg in the morning. :)  
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 10:39pm
| The entire truck frame, chain and tracks on the right side are from an HD6, I'll post more pictures tmrw. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 10:44pm
nice trailer........... to go with the HD ! ........... thats a DECK on a House trailer frame ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2024 at 11:21pm
Thanks! It was an old rv frame I got for 300$ I had a set of axles that matched. Most of the I beam was leftover material from welding jobs and the deck was a roof rack that was cut off a box truck awhile back.it worked out for under 1k in material. not bad for a monster garage style build. I only had like 4 days to build  
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 5:38am
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Smallerized for you:      ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 8:24am
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Noah... this site likes photos about 800 x 600 pixels... You camera is taking 3000 x 2000 size or more..... If your on a computer, open in PAINT and RESIZE them prior to posting.. If your on a cell phone, e-mail to yourself and resize then post... Some sites "shrink to fit".. this site does not do that. You have 80 MB of storage on this site... you can SAVE space by shrinking PRIOR to downloading..
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 8:30am
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Thank you Steve and Codger. Let me know if this one shows up better. When I run low on the 80mb of storage, am I able to delete photos from older posts to make more room? It looks like both sides of the machine have been swapped to the HD6E undercarriage. 
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 9:29am
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your still a bit large... maybe 1200 pixels wide... try about 25- 30% smaller..... some cameras take 3000 x 2000 pixel photos and some of the newer ones are in the 5000 x 3000 range .......... I take my photos and make them 15- 20% of the original size to get down to 750 -800 wide size. YES. you can delete old photos to get more space... If your photos are 2 MB... you can post about 40 photos.... If you can shrink them to 100 Kb you can get 800 photos !! ... try to keep the photos live for a couple months.. After that , most posts fade away never to be seen again..
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Posted By: West Logging
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 3:53pm
| great to see photos puts reality into post |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 5:30pm
Now the fun begins, hopefully I can get this track figured out. I ran the machine for about 20 minutes smoothing my my driveway and decided it needs immediate attention. 
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 6:04pm
I loosened the cap lock and tightened the adjusting screw all the way in and didn't do anything to reduce slack. What next? 
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Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 6:46am
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Smallerized again:    ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 7:02am
| You need to removed the bolt each side from the yoke and turne the rod adjustement counterclock wise if the tread still good in yoke |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 7:02am
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I think but am not entirely positive you have a couple of different type track adjuster parts that are not working together. From your last photo I see a hydraulic yolk for tensioning the track incorporated with a mechanical type adjuster. These are not used together at all. In the hydraulic type, there is a piston with a seal that grease pushes against to force the front idler wheel forward. In the mechanical style, that externally hex shaped rod is what pushes the idler wheel forward. I've not worked on AC machinery of this vintage/size myself so only surmising, but again it looks to me from this angle you have incompatible parts installed such as a mechanical adjuster from the original tractor, and replacement parts from a donor. Again, I don't know for sure. Have you counted the actual track shoes to ensure one is not longer than the other such as having a link removed? Pulling straws with that one but have seen stranger things done to keep old machinery operating. ------------- That's All Folks! |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 8:28am
Turn it the other way?
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Noah wrote:Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 8:39am
Yikes, I wasn't thinking to well last night. 🤡 Thanks Les and Codger, just needed to turn the other way. Thanks. Sure did take some slack out now.  
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 8:43am
I counted pads and both sides have 37. I believe the zerk fittings were added or came standard on the HD6E the tracks came off. I believe the grease fittings are just for the threaded rod and do not tightened the tracks with hydraulics. What also odd is that Coke said this was a 1952 machine based on serial number but the machine has two speed reverse. 
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2024 at 6:45pm
Sweet!
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2024 at 4:36pm
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I believe all the HD 5G are the 2 speed reverse. I have an HD5 B with a 2 speed reverse and have seen others with it also. Most HD 5 B's sold here new where for ag work pulling farm equipment so most had 5 forward and 1 reverse. So I guess they could be ordered ether way. The grease fitting in picture has been added.
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2024 at 6:04pm
| Very cool, I am in love with this machine, I hope I can keep it going for awhile. I am going to add a canopy and I really want to add a rear blade and build a grapple bucket for it. |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2024 at 6:24pm
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Update on the Hd5, After resurfacing track chain and adjusting all the extra slack out of tracks, I changed all fluids and got everything greased up. I was pretty happy with the overall condition of old fluids except transmission. It was definitely low on fluid, brown in color and even after flushing, I did get some brass or copper mettalic flakes in the drained fluid. I built a removable tooth bar for my bucket and I was ready to start work once the contract on my property closed. Everything was looking good and then I noticed that one of the front rollers has a broken lip. I believe that the previous owner ran the tracks loose for a while and the snaking caused the wearing of the inner track link, backside of sprocket and broke the roller lip. Obviously I will have to run it either way, but anyone have advice on best way to approach this. I have a lead on a few parts machines but they are at least 10hr one way trips. I intend to keep this machine going whatever it takes but truck wheels/rollers dont look easy to replace. Thanks for any help. *I am posting this from phone and I Shrunk the photo to 122kb or 30% of original. Still appears large on my screen. Let me know.. 
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2024 at 12:42pm
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Picture looks good on my computer screen. The tracks on my bare farm tractor HD 5B are way past wore out. But have never given trouble wanting to come off. But I found a roller in very much the same condition as the one pictured. Well only the one side was gone, other was still Ok. I welded something around it. It has been years but not many hours. Not sure but I think I used rebar as it was easy weld on then keep hammering and weld a bit more.Still there last time I looked.
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2024 at 2:25pm
| Ray, thank you for the encouraging post. How involved is removing one of the truck wheels to weld it out? Mine is the same situation, outer lip/flanges are all good, just broke the inner flange/lip off roller.seems to spin smoothly and has good oil/grease flowing out when I remove the plug. Ray, I took your advice and made a tooth bar, I will post the results when I get to test it, hopefully this weekend. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2024 at 8:31am
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Some rollers were made with only outer flanges. On many crawlers the first roller in front of the sprocket uses a single flange. That way sprocket teeth don't interfere with roller inner flanges. Then a doubles, or some alternate, single and double. I am not remembering taking the roller out to weld,
 so it must of been real easy. My life never goes like that so I cannot say. By the service books from Cat. With slack in chain remove cap screw's then jack from chain to track frame until roller can be lifted out( the fun part were pinched/smasher fingers happen). Good luck keeping fingers out of the way, and no broken bolts. |
Posted By: Fafarms
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2024 at 2:29am
| Plus with the cost of new equipment.... |
Posted By: Fafarms
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2024 at 2:32am
| Take a link out? Looks like theres enough slack there. That seems the simple solution. |
Posted By: Fafarms
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2024 at 2:35am
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You should YouTube hd5 tractor pulls pretty rad |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2024 at 4:28am
Never take a link out, unless you are going to trash the whole U/C. It makes the links ride higher on the drive sprocket, accelerating wear... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |