Off Color White 2-180
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Topic: Off Color White 2-180
Posted By: Tbone95
Subject: Off Color White 2-180
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 11:39am
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Hey All, Well, the ol Allis doesn’t seem to be running so great at the moment. What perfect timing, planting season and very uncooperative weather. I’m considering taking a trip to go see a 2-180. Has the often debated Cat 3208. I don’t know much about them, never been around one, don’t know anyone still around that I can talk to. First thing that caught my eye was 2800 rated RPM. I know they’re not sleeved. They say this one has been rebuilt less than 1000 hours ago, though total hours are unknown. Been owned by the same guy over 30 years. That’s a good thing. I’ll be pulling the same things my Allis 7045 pulls, so shouldn’t be a max load for it. Just looking for opinions if anyone has experiences with one. Thanks |
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Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 12:45pm
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I have a CAT 3208 in a Steiger. I dont wind it all the way out and dont let it lug down too far. I get along fine with it. Good luck! ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 4:04pm
| turbo or non turbo |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 4:09pm
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Had a 3208 in a Field Queen Chopper. Ran it with a three row head, and pulled a dump wagon behind. While it was well taken care of, it didn't have an easy life. Had over 6,000 hours on it before it was overhauled. Main thing is, keep the valves adjusted. Always wanted a White 4-225, with the 3208T. The Whites, would have been the same drive train as the Deutz-Allis 9100 series, and the 9600 series used the rear end. We never had any problems with those. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 4:36pm
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HudCo wrote:Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 5:13pm
Should be non turbo. The only White tractor with the 3208T, was the 4-225.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 5:26pm
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Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 6:31pm
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Cat, towards the end of the life of the 3208 offered it with a turbo. None of the White 2-180's were ever offered with the 3208T, like I said, the only White tractor to have the 3208T, was the 4-225. I do believe that some owners of the 3208 added a turbo, but this would have been an aftermarket option. We had a couple of feed trucks with the 3208T, but these came from Cat with the turbo, they were not add-ons. Neighbor ran Whites; good tractors, the only issue they complained about was you don't want to go down hill in under-drive, as they will free wheel. |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 9:20pm
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I have never owned a 3208 but have had a number of 3204's. The early design, and I believe the 3208's were likely the same, were very poorly engineered. Once the upgrade came without glow plugs and 3 compression rings you have decent engine that could run more hours between overhauls. The early 3200 series had one compression ring and a single oil ring with double ridges. It didn't take a whole lot of hours before plenty of blow-by was an issue. If the people that are selling the tractor you're looking at, did the overhaul or know the mechanic that did the work they could find out what kind of parts went into the last overhaul. The newer style pistons were an option to use in the older engines. ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 15 May 2024 at 10:59pm
| The Turbo was more common in later years to cut emissions, and for altitude compensation. HP went from 225 to 250, IIRC. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2024 at 6:15am
| Thanks guys. Something to consider. One of those deals, its lasted this long, could be because it’s a good one and well taken care of. Or, after this long she’s going to blow any minute. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 16 May 2024 at 7:29am
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In a 2-180 they can last a long time, just let it warm up and cool down. As mentioned they are N/A in all Whites but the 225, but many 3208T's running around in spreaders, end up getting swapped into machinery that didn't originally have a turbo charged 3208. Even though it's a high rpm V8, they are 636 CID, so it is still very gutsy when left stock. Typical N/A truck engine was 210hp @ 2800, and many Turbo'd were 250 @ 2600, flywheel hp. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 May 2024 at 7:34am
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Posted By: CDN 400
Date Posted: 19 May 2024 at 7:34pm
| Tbone I'm kind of partial to the v8 whites, I bought this older brother to the 2-180 a few years ago as a toy. It has 6000 hrs on the original 3150 cat which in later serial numbers got the 3208. She's pretty impressive really it will pull these 24 foot disc to the spools at 6 mph if you want at 2200 rpm. It has 1000lb wheel weights in each wheel and loaded 23.1x34 tires. uploads/11464/2255-2.jpg" rel="nofollow - uploads/11464/2255-2.jpg |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 5:51am
That’s pretty cool!😎. I’m going to check it out this afternoon. Thanks. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 3:31pm
| Tbone, I would not be afraid of a White 2-180, the 3208 is a good engine. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 7:02pm
| i think they are a good engine the problem i sean with them years ago is that they were drove or operated like they were in a camaro on saturday night |
Posted By: Acguywill
Date Posted: 20 May 2024 at 8:23pm
| I have a 3208 in a tyler floater and it is rated at 295hp 2800rpm no load speed 2600rpm full load speed. About 5000hrs on the unit with about 1200 on the cat reman engine. One thing interesting is it recommends adding coolant conditioner every 250hrs or changing the filters every 500hrs. This is a mid 90s unit and not sure if electrolysis is an issue with these engines but that seems like an excessive amount of cooling system maintenance. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 6:55am
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Seen a lot of 3208, 3208T Caterpillar engines in service with end dump truck work into the early 1980's. Always pushed hard and some were good, some not so good. Cavitation was a very real problem with this engine as were burned valves. Turbocharging really helped the heads with just a bit more power, but they were still a relatively short life engine. Was a far cry from the 1160 series the 3208 was patterned from in most applications. ------------- A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 8:33am
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I told the guy no yesterday, but truth be told I’m still thinking about it. As discussed, was naturally aspirated as built. They had an M & W twin turbo on it for a while. Still has the manifolds for that and thus a homemade dual exhaust one each side of the hood. He believes the turbo caused trouble, as I recall he said rod bearings. Turbo removed and engine rebuilt not a lot of hours ago. His story, I can’t confirm nor deny. Says the last few years of its life have been very easy. It started at the click of the key and sounded healthy, responsive at the throttle. Of course the air conditioning didn’t work, and it was HOT in there at only 72 degrees outside. Drawbar hole is well worn to oblong. One of the balls in the lift arms is almost gone. Biggest turn off for me is that it is LOUD. Guy said it’s not the exhaust that’s making it loud it’s the nature of the 3208 and the nature of a White tractor/cab. I said to myself, ok, let’s pretend I’ve got the AC fixed and I can run with the door and windows closed. So I went to the end of his very long driveway, turned, put it in a field gear and gave her hell. Dang it’s loud! Wasn’t sure I could picture myself listening to that for 10 hours straight. Would be very hard to find a Dollar to horsepower ratio more in my favor. Hmmm… |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 9:06am
| How much? |