WD restoration/refreshening
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Topic: WD restoration/refreshening
Posted By: AC WD45
Subject: WD restoration/refreshening
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 1:49pm
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I've had a chance to sleep on it and have decided to pull apart the WD I bought yesterday apart, fix the transmission and cobbled electrical and give it a fresh coat of orange. The guy I got it from said the past owner before him was brush hogging and hit something. The transmission seems to have locked up. The tractor will stall as soon as the clutch is released, both with the hand clutch engaged and disengaged, neutral, in gear does not matter. It appears he has had the pto gear box off, so I suppose I will start there and see if I can see any carnage up inside. I am guessing I am going to have to split this tractor regardless of what I find. I suppose the first step will be getting the loader frame off of it so I have more room to work.  ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 4:57pm
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how sloppy is the gear shift lever ?.... DO you think it might be stuck in 2 gears ?? That might be a first look. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:06pm
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Shifter is sloppy but it does seem to shift in and out of gears OK. I am going to pull the shifter and housing and get a good look at the shift forks. The tractor seems to roll around in Neutral, but will not run unless I hold the clutch in. This issue is present bomatter what gear or combination of clutch I try, as soon as I release the foot clutch it bogs out and dies. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:10pm
| If he hit something, could it be PTO related to cause a lockup? Just asking. I've hit a dirt mound with a 45 with Woods brush hog & no slip clutch, and it didn't shear anything or kill the engine but I sure thought I tore something out. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:16pm
| You've got PTO gear issues up inside. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 6:20pm
My thoughts exactly Dr. Hopefully I can get the loader frame pulled off tomorrow and mess around with it a little. RTV all over the pto gear box has me really suspicious. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
DrAllis wrote:Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 7:54pm
Well, I got the loader frame off tonight and set it aside. It will go on the WD45 in the spring. I began my first visual assesment of the tractor to get an idea of what needs done. The list of what I found on my first once over is included in the photos. Tomorrow or this weekend I will see about what is locking up the transmission. I did notice the block has been repaired at some point. It seems to be holding but I think I will have it ground out and a more thoroughrepair made.       Till next time! ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 8:57pm
| Thanks for saving another Allis Chalmers WD! It is appreciated. A WD never dies, it just loses compression. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 9:10pm
I have always been a believer in "if it can be saved, it should be saved". I have watched some real basket case tractors come back from the dead, and this one isn't even close to dead yet! ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 9:14pm
Got to be the best smelling shop in town !!  really... that is a good looking Straight Tractor !  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Dirt Farmer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 11:10pm
| Looks like a fun project, and your list looks familiar to what I had to do to one of my wd45s. Save yourself a lot of trouble and while you are replacing the wiring harness switch it up to electronic ignition, B+B can fix you up with that too, you won't regret it. Too hard to locate good points and condensers in this day and age. They also make LED bulbs that go into the original bulb holders. |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 11:41pm
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I’d try cranking it over with the hand crank without the pto gear box… It would tell if it was something with that… On my 45 hand clutch a pin was broken allowing it to slip, so I would have to hold the lever to go up a hill… Ended up tearing the whole tractor down anyway because the foot clutch hub broke… and here’s the ending result…  ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45 |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 6:16am
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To bad that tractor is not in my shop. I have every part you need. I took a -40 engine apart from a 1952 WD yesterday. $50 for the block. It has a very small crack between 2 and 3. I see it has a WD45 carb, air cleaner and seat assembly. Is there a story that goes with that?
------------- http://lonsallischalmers.com |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 6:31am
Lon, unfortunately the only story I have is "the last guy was using it to brush hog when he hit something and it locked up" So unfortunately I have no idea why what was done was done. As I understand, the WD45 manifold and carb is a common change. Unsure on the seat. It is definitely missing the spring and the seat shock is toast. But we will get there eventually. I've had about a dozen people tell me that about parts. But it's all in the chase I suppose! ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 9:49am
| You've got some work ahead of you if you going to bring it back to match your 45. Some serious farmer engineering gone on there. Good luck in unwinding that if that's the direction you're headed. Who knows what mysteries you'll find. Got to get to move first. |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 12:01pm
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Dang it Steve I had to go downtown and get me some of them Vanilla Trees. All my cab tractors have them swing in’! Nice lookin project ya got here AC…… ------------- Blue Skies and Tail Winds Dana |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 4:01pm
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Well, I pulled the PTO gear box off, found nothing. Everything appears to be in good shape, hand clutch seems to be functioning. Checked main clutch, appears intact and functioning. Went ahead and pulled the shift tower, noticing it wouldn't shift to third. Well, thay issue was immediately diagnosed as a bad shift fork slide. I'll clean up the rust and see how it functions after, but I may just replace with a good used shift tower. From there, I was able to inspect the transmission. Everything looks to be in fairly good shape for a 72 year old tractor. That said, it still seems to be locked up between the transmission and the main clutch. The tractor will roll fine in neutral. It will turn over and even start with the clutch pushed in, but as soon as I let off the clutch both in Neutral and in gear, it bogs out and stalls. I'm thinking the next step is going to be splitting the tractor to get the pto/hydraulic/hand clutch chunk out and get a better look, unless one of the experts have a better suggestion          G_1704404825226.jpg[/IMG] ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 4:58pm
| The problem is ahead of the hand clutch and under the starter. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 6:28pm
I assume you're seeing something I am not? ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 7:02pm
| Nope. Just by process of elimination. It kills the engine when you let out on the foot clutch with the tranny or hand clutch in neutral. Only thing it can be is a broken gear tooth jammed up from whatever he hit. |
Posted By: Dave H (NE)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 8:13pm
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In the picture of the pto gears, it looks like a gear tooth or something is wedged between the pto gear and housing, and the housing is cracked. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 8:53pm
I believe you are referring to a picture of the transmission case where there is a visible casting flaw. Otherwise I do not see where you are seeing a cracked housing. I believe DR Allis is 100% correct. I thought he was referring to the photo of the engine clutch at first. What ever the issue is it is in the PTO drive set. I've gotna few ideas to try now when I get back to working on it. On the bright side, the final drive for the PTO is in excellent shape. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 10:02pm
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Try what Doc says… Have you pulled the inspection plate/ grease hole off? To see if you can see anything? ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 11:26pm
 ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 5:13am
I see what you are seeing. That's what I thought iy was too, but it's nasty RTV silicone from who ever had it apart last. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 5:33am
| Get a bar against the hand clutch O.D. (foot clutch locked/released) and turn the top towards the RIGHT (clockwise) sitting in the seat. Maybe a large punch and 4 lb hammer. Something is wedged. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 6:12am
That's the plan once I get out of work. We're in the slownseason so I should be back at it by noon Will post back with any results/findings. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 4:31pm
Dr Allis, I took your advice and tried moving the hand clutch. The hub bolts forward the clutch are hitting the pto drive gear. Underneath it almost appears the gear set may have slid backwards?   ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 4:48pm
| There's your problem. Looks like a split maybe ??? Not there to see. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 5:45pm
No split, I'm thinking that retainer bolt wore and allowed that geat set to back out. Snapped the darn bolt trying to back it out, going to try and extract it tomorrow. ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2024 at 8:31pm
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Well. After looking at a few parts explosions and watching a couple videos, I definitely need to split this tractor. Unfortunate too, because I think this is the first WD I've seen that wasn't leaking niagra falls out of those gaskets. Oh well, it's all part of the fun! ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2024 at 6:22am
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That bolt will be hard to get out. The gear can be removed without a split. I would split it anyway. The hand clutch is worn out. Looks like it has been out before. ------------- http://lonsallischalmers.com |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 9:52am
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AC WD45, A old Allis guy that you may remember too (Don Bradley) would have said, "Pull the engine. Its only nuts and bolts!" Glad you found the root cause. Sounds like the one WD I had that would only turn over 364 degrees by hand and stop. Asked several Allis folks. They had no clue. I finally took the timing cover off and found a broken gear tooth stuck in the cam gear. Simple once you know what the problem is. Dr Allis narrowed it down for you. By the way good pictures and documentation! I have done a Clean Refurb and Paint on several basket cases. Your to do list looks about right! When your done you will have a good tractor! The block concerns me a little but may be the least of the issues? Regards, Chris and Cheryl ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 12:41pm
Thanks for the encouragement Sugarmaker! My wife's sentiment is not the same  I am going to go ahead and split it, because at the point I'd like to get a good look at everything I possibly can to see just how.far the damage goes. As for the block, I have a good friend of mine who is a bit of metal working enthusiast as much as we are Allis guys, so I am going to take it to him to tidy it up. By the time he's done with it and there is fresh paint, you'll never know it was cracked. I have seen him do some pretty incredible work with heads and engine blocks. It's funny you mention Don. I was just thinking about him yesterday while I was messing with the WD. I got a lot of good advice from him back when I first joined Allis Forum. Through my hiatus after I sold my tractor I never once forgot about this place, though if I could go back to 2009 and talk to some of those guys again, I would. When I got the call ol Ron was interested in selling it back to me, I popped back on here as soon as I got off the phone. Sure feels good to post here again, and with another project ahead of me to boot!  ------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 8:06am
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Cooling system cracks to the outside of the block can be fixed up. If the crack is in the crankcase, that is a stress crack. Allis made an improvement on later WD engines to solve that problem. I found that out the hard way. I replaced the block only to find out that block would leak oil to the outside while it was running. ------------- http://lonsallischalmers.com |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 3:28am
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Welcome back Luke! It's a great thing, having you younger guys getting into Allis. Yes, we've lost a lot of guys since back then. I too wish I could talk to them again! Which reminds me,,,,I GOTTA call Shameless tomorrow!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |