HD5G Ripper Mount
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Topic: HD5G Ripper Mount
Posted By: Les Kerf
Subject: HD5G Ripper Mount
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 9:25am
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My Son-in-law purchased a ripper mount for his HD5G, we will need to fabricate a tool bar for it but he knew this when he bought it. What we are wondering though is it looks like there possibly should be something that attaches to the lower end of the ripper mount and then attaches to the drawbar pull-point underneath the tractor. Is this correct? Does anyone have any pictures or drawings of this? Thanks for the help   |
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Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 2:06pm
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Not sure on the 5, but the 7G had no link to the draw bar mount area. I remember this because it's a lot easier getting under the machine without that draw bar hanging there. It does however provide some skid plate effect back there. ------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2023 at 3:47pm
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yes there are 2 long pieces that pin into the drawbar hole and got to each side with a flat end that bolts into the bottom 4 bolts behind the bottom pin. i will try to get a picture when i get home. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 7:03am
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crap, i got home last night and realized i had a meeting to go to and forgot to snap some pics. will do my best to get tonight ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 8:19am
Thank you Cal, that is exactly what I needed to know. Now to see if we can find some used parts, if not we can fabricate something |
CAL(KS) wrote:Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 4:25pm
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I snapped a few pics but my storage here is full. Send email to bigcal36@hotmail.com I will reply with photos in the morning. Difficult to do from my phone right now ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 9:26pm
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Thanks Cal, I sent an email from wildwoodjcs |
Posted By: Dozer987
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 4:42pm
 Hope this helps |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 7:10am
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thats interesting. someone has mounted the ripper bar to the original drawbar setup and cut the cylinder mount out of the main plate and bolted on and welded support straps. It doesnt look like the drawbar is still intact as the hitch is welded to swing plate and there would be no provision to mount the pull links on either side to the original swinging drawbar hanger. So all the pulling force and downforce from cylinder is concentrated on the swinging drawbar hanger bolts!! looks like it would work but definitely not as stout as the oem setup. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 8:06am
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That is all very helpful, thanks Methinks this will be a long-term fabricating project unless we can find some used components. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 8:33am
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General Gear would surely have what your missing ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 2:51pm
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By the look of it I would fabricate a plate for drawbar to set onto and support it by using the pin holes on mount to hold drawbar when ripper is removed . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 8:47am
General Gear is where we got this incomplete ripper mount |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 10:01am
 well perhaps i didnt fully read the original post, i thought you were just asking about the pull brackets underneath. the ripperbar wont be difficult to build. i would definitely get some shanks that pin on top or build your own, not a fan of the oem wedge system.------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 4:36pm
Sorry about that Cal, I did not specify in the original post where we got the mount. I have never seen the OEM style, thanks for the tip about using a pin-on style. Building a toolbar is just time, materials, and burning rod  Do you think 1/2" thick wall is adequate? |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2023 at 7:08am
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i believe oem is 1/2 fabbed box. I can get some closeup shots of my toolbar to help. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2023 at 7:14am
That would be much appreciated, thanks! |
Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 9:04pm
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Zimmerman Tractor in Missouri has a complete single-cyl ripper setup for $1000. If I recall, it has one large shank. Didn't ask if it comes with the diverter valve. ------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: doctorcorey
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2023 at 9:06pm
------------- Semper Fi USMC 1958 HD6G, 1959 MF 203 loader, 1960 Case 420B Backhoe, MF 65 Tractor/Loader Diesel |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2024 at 5:13pm
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We have acquired a tool bar for the HD5G but are still in need of the two bars that connect the ripper mount to the pull point underneath the tractor. I have attempted to contact Zimmerman but no reply yet. If anyone has one for sale let me know.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2024 at 1:50pm
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Was looking and seen a post on unit mounted on HD6 (same rear housing as HD5) where cylinder was hitting fuel tank when raised . Person was wondering on fix for that problem . So evidently either cylinder changed or trunnion mount changed . Using a ripper on a HD5G or HD6G it seems would not be heavy enough counter weight for loader use . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 8:13am
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I mounted a ripper on my 6g and it definitely helped over just a drawbar setup. im guessing 8-900lbs bolted on back there. I have new bucket teeth and can really load up too ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 3:36pm
Back of my HD5G I have 2 large weights on machine - seen some early machines that had single thin weight , it seems a lot had none , and common problem was bent track frame or bad front idler . Counterweight is needed with a loader bucket . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 3:40pm
Full view of rear of machine  ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2024 at 9:07am
Yes, counterweight is definitely needed. The toolbar we have has two cast iron weights on it, not sure what it weighs though. I will post pictures when we get it mounted. Thanks
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 12:55pm
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Question: How deep do the rippers on an HD5G go? We have the 'new' toolbar mounted; it originally was on a Case 1050 so I had to modify the pivot pin setup on the Allis-Chalmers mounting plate. We will be using the Allis cylinder, and I need to fabricate the attachment point on the toolbar. My inclination is to position the toolbar in its lowest setting and then fabricate the attachment point with the cylinder fully extended, and let the 'raised' position be whatever it happens to end up. Is this a reasonable plan, or am I overlooking something critical? Thanks |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 8:58pm
You will need to have some ground clearance, so the teeth don't drag when the front rises, to wit, like when loading on a trailer, or crossing a ditch... I would suggest searching for a picture of the factory unit, raised position. JMHO ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2024 at 9:39pm
Yup, I'm hoping someone with a factory unit will chime in here |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2024 at 1:34pm
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I made a 1/2 scale two-dimensional cardboard model (sorta like paper dolls) that allows us to visualize the relationships of the pivots and cylinder mounting. Will probably wait for warmer weather before actually diving into the fabrication. |