Why do some diesels require ether and some dont??
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Topic: Why do some diesels require ether and some dont??
Posted By: bigcreek
Subject: Why do some diesels require ether and some dont??
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 11:37pm
Hopefully this post doesnt get thrown in the fire since it doesnt have to do with an AC machine but if so I understand. So it is obvious from the title of this thread I am not the worlds greatest mechanic or Id likely know the answer to this question but.. I have various diesels from pickups, tractors, welder/generator that are diesel and fire right up even when it is freezing cold WITHOUT ether. However I have a Case forklift with a Cummins 4 cylinder engine that will not start at all unless it gets a shot of ether. It is a strong running engine, but wont start without it. What possible causes could make this machine not start without its shot of ether? Thank you in advance.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 4:48am
I'd check injection timing, compression and fuel filters, in no preference of order. Also remember that American made engines generally have thicker piston tops, and can withstand the ether hammer effect, but Asian diesels should never get ether...
Also, if you can check the pre-heater, some engines have it, some don't, some have 1 and its not connected. I use a Coleman tent heater, slide it under the motor, and let it heat the motor for about 45 minutes, and most any engine in good repair starts right up... (Do not use this technique on an oil leaker, though!  )
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 4:50am
Must be something wrong with it the 3 Cummins we got all start good some below 32. Timing off????? Compression must play into it I have I 6080 that if it was below 50 you were screwed put the 16:1 kit in it and starts great to upper 20’s
------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Posted By: fjdrill
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:47am
Old Timers said if ever start using ether on an engine. it would need it like crack. I found the old 855's liked just a small whiff & Perkins hated it.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:54am
In order for any diesel engine to fire up on a cold start, there has to be enough heat built up in the combustion chamber to ignite the cold diesel fuel that gets squirted into it. An engine with 17 to 1 compression ratio will start better than one that is 16 to 1 or 15 to 1 or 14 to 1. The heat is made by the compressing of the cold air on each compression stroke. So, faster cranking speeds helps, higher compression ratios help, injection pump timing closer to TDC instead of BTDC helps, some sort of electric coolant heater helps, an intake manifold heater helps, combustion chamber glow plugs help, etc, etc. A hard starter when cold doesn't automatically mean there is something wrong with the engine, because some engines are just naturally better at cold starts than others. In this particular application, maybe there are hydraulic pumps that are keeping the starter from its best possible cranking speed ?? Maybe your battery needs to be two batteries?? and not cheap batteries either. More CCA's the better. Maybe your starter needs freshening up ?? But, not saying inj pump timing couldn't be off, I'm saying pump timing doesn't CHANGE itself. So, I doubt that it is the problem, if there is a problem. My Dad always plugged in his chore tractor to be sure it would start when needed. Kind of like Marshall Dillon tying his horse up when he got out of the saddle.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:57am
Are generally a combination of mechanical faults that demand Ether. Low Compression, indicated by serious blowby, valve lash or camshaft lobe wear reduces ability for engine to breath and release combustion gases, valves not seating refer to low compression, nozzles tips eroded, and they do that over time regardless fuel quality where do not positively atomize the fuel to combust.
My 180 has two of these, rings are getting weak or cylinders just glazed horribly with notable blowby, have had pump rebuilt where once running has plenty of power but I can smell the unburned fuel from the exhaust tells me nozzles need to come OUT. Old gal needs a freshen overhaul about as much as I do!!
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:58am
There are alot of things that go into a diesel to start. It has to have compression to start. Cylinder temp. has to get to some where around 800 degrees for the diesel fuel to ignite. Cam timing, cam design, inj timing, pump, cranking speed, air temp, and many other factors that effect a diesel to start. MACK
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:09am
Every chore tractor we've ever had of any color has a block heater that's on a Christmas tree light timer. It's set to be on for about 4 hours, 2pm - 6pm. It's just sooooo much nicer to hit the key and go easily. If I need it at a different time, can set another on period, or simply turn the switch on. Even 20 minutes helps some, rarely need it in a more urgent emergency than that. If I do, well, there's some I own start better than others. One tractor in particular has a unloading valve for the hydraulics that helps a bunch.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:16am
Tbone95 wrote:
Every chore tractor we've ever had of any color has a block heater that's on a Christmas tree light timer. It's set to be on for about 4 hours, 2pm - 6pm. It's just sooooo much nicer to hit the key and go easily. If I need it at a different time, can set another on period, or simply turn the switch on. Even 20 minutes helps some, rarely need it in a more urgent emergency than that. If I do, well, there's some I own start better than others. One tractor in particular has a unloading valve for the hydraulics that helps a bunch. |
Anything below 40 my 180 is set up that way. Timer was for old incandescent lighting so can carry the amps.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:38am
My BUDA BD153 in the forklift needs 3 short squirts of ether to start it AND 2 good batteries to spin. OK, it has so much 'blowby', I've rigged ABS plumbing to 'recycle' the fumes from the oil filler cap to the intake. yes, I KNOW it has low compression but the 5K estimate is a LOT more than a few cans of ether !
I was told years ago that Freightliner trucks do NOT have glowplugs or intake heaters, just turn the key and start them up.....
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:47am
DMiller wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
Every chore tractor we've ever had of any color has a block heater that's on a Christmas tree light timer. It's set to be on for about 4 hours, 2pm - 6pm. It's just sooooo much nicer to hit the key and go easily. If I need it at a different time, can set another on period, or simply turn the switch on. Even 20 minutes helps some, rarely need it in a more urgent emergency than that. If I do, well, there's some I own start better than others. One tractor in particular has a unloading valve for the hydraulics that helps a bunch. |
Anything below 40 my 180 is set up that way. Timer was for old incandescent lighting so can carry the amps. |
Yep, mine easily handles the correct amps, been using it for years. I start using mine when around 30 or less, depending.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:15am
Not a mechanic but I've found a strong high CCA battery is key to starting a diesel.I'll also hook a jump box on the battery too sometimes.That said I had a David Brown built Oliver 500 years ago that had to have a small snort of ether to get to fire up regardless.Then it ran just fine.
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Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:23am
My Yanmar has a thermocoupler and compression release it starts at any temperature I have never used ether on it,I have owned two 7.3 and two 6.0 navistars they all had block heaters and glow plugs so as long as they were plugged in they started at any temperature , I've had Cats, Cummins and Detroit's they all had block heaters but if it was going to get into the single digits I'd turn them up to about 1,100 and let them run.Years ago I had a Cummins 335 that had a compression release and a little compartment with a lid on it,you dropped what they called an ether egg in it when you closed the lid it punctured the ether egg giving it a pre measured shot of ether,that system wasn't around that long. The long and short?? Want to tear up a diesel and severely shorten the life of a diesel?? Use ether.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 2:50pm
Nothing good ever comes of using ether Darrel
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 4:25pm
Years ago we had 2 185's on the lot. One would crank before the finger could be released from the button. The other would not crank w/o ether and or air heater on a cool day. We said YES we will find the secret to cranking. We swapped starters, batteries, battery cables, injectors and even the fuel pump from one to the other - the one that would start would start all the time the other - nada... we checked compression - the one that would start actually had a tad less compression than the non starter. We checked valve setting, timing again - nothing we could do would make one start as easy as the other. We were running up a big bill when we thought about checking valve timing - the cranking one had valve timing that was about 2 degrees (non scientific measurement) sooner - didn't dig into why as we had one sold, but that was the only thing we found different, why or how we do not know. Go figure ... PS the latest 2800's with the bosch injectors and last timing advance program would CRANK... and sounded different, and didn't smoke..
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 5:33pm
Compact Indirect injection diesel eninges like kubotas, or yanmars, or AC 5020's for example, run very high compression ratios in the 22:1 range, and do not like ether, there's too many nooks and crannies with the precombustion chambers that causes issues with the ether. Those engines will typically have glow plugs that need to be used when starting the first time of the day, even in the summer. Never use ether if glow plugs have been heated up!
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 5:37pm
It also helps a lot if you use 0W-30 or 5W-30 synthetic in winter!! Cranking speed is important.
And direct injection is a huge advantage.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:04pm
And any electronic (modern) diesel will cold start way below what the older mechanical engines will....there's probably a few exceptions to that....
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Posted By: bigcreek
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:06pm
Lots of good information here guys I appreciate it. Ive got a good diesel mechanic coming over soon for something else so Im going to talk to him about this Case and see what he thinks he can or cant do with it. The block heater doesnt work on it so I do need to replace that. One other thing this lift has is a factory installed thing a ma jig that you screw a canister of ether into and it gives the motor a shot of ether when starting. I know its factory because it shows it in the owners manual. So apparently the company thought some ether with this motor was ok. But Id best swap out that block heater and start plugging it in. I just put a new group 31 battery in it last week. Got it from batteries and bulbs and told them give me the best group 31 you have so cranking amps are good.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:08pm
darrel in ND wrote:
Nothing good ever comes of using ether Darrel |
I grew up running old Cats, my Dad had a D2 and a D4, both equipped with pony motors.
I still have the owner's manual for the D2, the official starting procedure was to start the pony motor, let it warm up enough to crank the diesel, then spin the diesel with the compression released and no fuel until the pony motor had warmed up the diesel engine (they shared the same cooling system) then hit the compression for a while, and then finally hit the fuel to start the diesel.
I actually did this one warm spring day, it required a full 45 minutes of cranking under compression with that pony motor running wide open before it would start.
Or, get the diesel spinning, hit the compression followed immediately by fuel then give it a quick snort of ether, followed by instant noise 
Whenever possible my Dad would park the D2 on a hill with the blade chained up. Get it rolling downhill, give it a snort of ether and yank the clutch back, that thing wouldn't make more than two revolutions and it was running.
My Son-in-law's HD5G came factory equipped with the ether pill starting aid, and I know that some fairly new Caterpillar stuff has ether starting aids as well, so it must not be all bad.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:12pm
bigcreek wrote:
...One other thing this lift has is a factory installed thing a ma jig that you screw a canister of ether into and it gives the motor a shot of ether when starting... |
Yup, when the factory installs an ether thing a ma jig you can pretty much count on hard starting 
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Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:14pm
Either won’t hurt direct injected diesels when used sparingly. The problem is when it is over used and that is what breaks rings and skirts.
That being said…I have drove compact construction(idi with glow plugs) equipment across the lot on either when it was gelled up and it didn’t seem to hurt it! But wouldn’t recommend it!
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:37pm
One of the things no one has spoken about is the starting fluid. I don't know why, but when I do have to use starting fluid, I find John Deere starting fluid is much better than any other brand. Am I getting senile or is there a difference?
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:42pm
WF owner wrote:
One of the things no one has spoken about is the starting fluid. I don't know why, but when I do have to use starting fluid, I find John Deere starting fluid is much better than any other brand. Am I getting senile or is there a difference? |
No doubt it is better but I am a tightwad and buy the cheapo Walmart stuff. A can of it lasts a long time.
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Posted By: jvin248
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:59pm
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Engine spin.
Good battery, thick battery cables, clean contacts, dielectric grease after cleaning, good switch.
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Posted By: bigcreek
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 10:39pm
jvin248 wrote:
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Engine spin.
Good battery, thick battery cables, clean contacts, dielectric grease after cleaning, good switch.
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When I put the new battery in it I cut an inch off the ends of the cables at the battery end due to corrosion and put new clamps on that end. This forklift is a mid to late 80's and was city owned. It sat for several years before they auctioned it off. They didnt say how many years it sat for only that it sat for several years. I changed all fluids and filters. The battery was a junkyard battery they put in it just to get it from the city lot to the auction yard. Anyway one thing I havent looked at is the other ends of the cables at the starter and ground. Ill take those ends off and give them a good cleaning. Great running forklift otherwise. My other forklift is an 1980 ACP60 Allis Chalmers and a dang fine one at that. Gas though.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:27pm
I believe JD juice is"higher strenght" than most others. Think it has been discussed here before.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 5:49am
SteveM C/IL wrote:
I believe JD juice is"higher strenght" than most others. Think it has been discussed here before. | Wonder if that is a good thing?Seems to me the more potent the ether the more damage it could do to a motor.
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Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:13am
JD juice is designed to make you buy more of that expensive green paint.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:15am
John Deere starting fluid is 80% ether and is thee only thing serious tractor pullers will use to get their de-compressed and overfueled diesel engines to start when cold. A lot of other starting fluids are far less than 80% and won't ever start a pulling engine, so yes, cheap ether is probably less likely to do damage on a good engine, IF it gets the job dun.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 8:10am
Ether in AGCO cans was also a full 80% like the deere stuff, but not as many agco dealers around as there are deere dealers lol! I have a couple of cans 79014649 that works good on the pullers. Anything less than 80% will not be very successful in starting the pullers.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 3:11pm
I try not to use ether if at all possible, but the John Deere brand ether, requires a very quick shot, and that is usually all that is needed to get a cold engine started. Some of that cheap ether, you pour it out of the can into the intake, and it wouldn't do a thing.
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Posted By: CORLEWFARM
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 5:02pm
I have found that most diesels start better if you crank a few seconds wide open. Set a few seconds and put throttle a little above idle and start better in cold weather.
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Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 5:37pm
Corlewfarm!!! You are absolutely correct in my humble opinion!
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Posted By: 160 allis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:29pm
We have 3 waldon wheel loaders that have the 4bt Cummins engine in them and have had really good luck out of them starting in the cold weather. No need to shout ether to any of them and they have been started at 0° a few times. They usually crank over about 4 times before they fire up at zero° temps but they do fire and they don't have grid heaters or glow plugs. They all started well cold even with over 30,000 hrs on them and the only issue then was injection pump leaking fluid at throttle shaft. Very good engines in my opinion. Since then we now have coolant heaters on them so we can plug them up when it's cold and we have heat as soon as it starts
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:40pm
Thats because of an advance in the injector pump, Uncl had a 5610 Ford open the throttle , sets the advance- it fires up , then throttle it back !
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:46pm
Here's a photo of the two kinds of starting fluid I had on hand.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 10:44pm
So to correct the digression, here's the OP's core question:
" I have a Case forklift with a Cummins 4 cylinder engine that will not
start at all unless it gets a shot of ether. It is a strong running
engine, but wont start without it. What possible causes could make this
machine not start without its shot of ether?"
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 11:09pm
DaveKamp wrote:
So to correct the digression, here's the OP's core question:
" I have a Case forklift with a Cummins 4 cylinder engine that will not
start at all unless it gets a shot of ether. It is a strong running
engine, but wont start without it. What possible causes could make this
machine not start without its shot of ether?" |
We dont' know WHICH Cummins he's got... I can't give him immediate direction of any CUMMINS design, I can only comment on the basics:
Diesels need to crank at at least some particular speed in order to fire the engine.
If you run large volumes of fuel rack on cranking, you are NOT likely to get an ignition as early BECAUSE the unburned fuel is just absorbing latent heat. Crank it with the throttle to full slow. Once it's been constent in cranking, crack open the sum and see if it'll wake up. 
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 5:41am
DaveKamp wrote:
[QUOTE=DaveKamp]If you run large volumes of fuel rack on cranking, you are NOT likely to get an ignition as early BECAUSE the unburned fuel is just absorbing latent heat. Crank it with the throttle to full slow. Once it's been constent in cranking, crack open the sum and see if it'll wake up.  |
The owner's manual for my subcompact diesel tractor says to open the throttle to a fast idle position and crank over a couple times, then activate the glow plugs for about 20 seconds, then crank the engine.
Like everyone else, I didn't read the owner's manual until I had it for a couple years. It starts much better that way than leaving it at idle like I had been. IIRC, the owner's manual for one of my AC diesels had similar instructions.
I urge you to read your manual and follow the instructions for your particular engine.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 7:29am
WF owner wrote:
...read your manual and follow the instructions for your particular engine. |
YES YES YES!
And while diesel engines are all the same with respect to 'compression ignition'... they're not all the same with respect to HOW they accomplish it.
There's direct, and indirect injection... there's different concepts in head design, rod length to stroke ratios, and compression ratios... so they all have a little different character.
Starting a cold engine, regardless of WHAT type it is, is really one of the hardest events on an engine. Oil is cold, oil pressure goes from nonexistent, to insane... the starting unit is under tremendous load to just TURN it, and trying to get it spinning FAST enough to bounce past TDC swiftly... the battery is cold... a little trace of moisture in the connections... cold air coming in... accomplishing that pressure spike hot enough for compression ignition to occur ENOUGH to kick the flywheel hard enough to clear the next several compression events... the fuel is cold... injection pump and injectors hate that.
Listen to how an old aircraft V12 or radial starts, and you'll notice that it doesn't all start at once... some cylinders hit, while the others are still missing... eventually they pick up, after they've spun a bit and cleared out whatever was fouling.
One of the first diesel-starting challenges I had, was the pony-motor 6cyl Cat mentioned above. I don't know if they're ALL that way, but the one I worked on had a lever that opened up the valves, so that pony motor exhaust was blown through the cylinders to WARM them. While it was doing that, it was circulating lubricating oil and coolant (both shared with the prime mover) to get both up in temperature for an easier start. Spinning the engine for all that time seems silly, but in terms of long life and starting assurance, it's the right thing to do- they designed it that way, and that's one of the biggest advantages of a pony-motor start. Unlike an electric starter, that pony motor could roll the engine over all day if you keep the starting fuel tank full.
On the locomotives I taught on, four 72vdc electric starting motors were wired up in series-parallel switching so that the crank could be rotated slowly to check for a flooded cylinder. A leaking injector can put enough stray fuel in a combustion chamber to hydraulically prevent a piston from crossing TDC, and if forced, the cosine angle of crank against the rod can easily bend the rod and crank... so they have a programming sequence in the system to turn it slowly with the electric starter through four complete revolutions of the crank, after that, they bring it up to cranking speed, make sure they have oil pressure (it actually uses a booster pump for 20 seconds or so before cranking) then they tell the fuel management system to processed with fueling. The fuel management system is full authority, and uses peizoelectric sensors on each head to detect when ignition occurs, and it watches each cylinder for misfires. It brings on fuel to each cylinder individually, and adjusts it to get ignition, because each cylinder is slightly different, both in initial state, and in running character... so it's like having a mechanic assigned to each carbeurator of an individually carbeurated engine. Once the engine is running, then it goes through a short warming cycle before it will allow running load (basic power generation), followed by a considerable warmup cycle before it will allow the prime moving load... all to make sure that million-dollar engine exceeds a 5 million-mile lifespan.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 11:14am
DaveKamp wrote:
WF owner wrote:
...read your manual and follow the instructions for your particular engine. | ...
One of the first diesel-starting challenges I had, was the pony-motor 6cyl Cat mentioned above. I don't know if they're ALL that way, but the one I worked on had a lever that opened up the valves, so that pony motor exhaust was blown through the cylinders to WARM them. While it was doing that, it was circulating lubricating oil and coolant (both shared with the prime mover) to get both up in temperature for an easier start. Spinning the engine for all that time seems silly, but in terms of long life and starting assurance, it's the right thing to do- they designed it that way, and that's one of the biggest advantages of a pony-motor start. Unlike an electric starter, that pony motor could roll the engine over all day if you keep the starting fuel tank full... |
The D2 and D4 Cats with which I am most familiar used identical pony motors; they used the main diesel engine cooling systems but had separate oil sumps.
The pony exhaust was routed through the diesel's intake manifold in an integral casting to provide pre-heating of the intake air.
I never knew anyone willing (besides myself) to actually crank one of those machines long enough to get it started without ether. Most of the machines I was around were old and tired, my Dad's D2 had nearly 10,000 hours on the clock, mostly skidding logs (that's a LOT of logs). He always wanted a D4 and found one cheap nearby that was REALLY tired, it had so much blowby you couldn't check the oil with the engine running (the proper method) because it just blew oil out the dipstick when you pulled it out; yet that old engine fired right up with a snort of ether.
Standard procedure with those pony-start Cats was to start it in the morning and keep it running until you were done for the day.
Every time I hear my Son-in-law's HD5G fire up with that direct electric starter I just smile 
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Posted By: bigcreek
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 12:24pm
DaveKamp I worked for the railroad for 20 years as conductor, engineer (for a very short while) and yardmaster for the longest time. Ive been away for almost 3 years now but can hear right now in my mind a locomotive starting up. First the alarm then the sound of it slowly cranking until finally coming to life. I never knew about what was really going on in the belly of the beast as it is cranking so that was very interesting information you posted. They certainly dont fire right up so the sounds I would hear as it was winding up makes sense. Trains/power would tie down all the time right outside my yardmaster office window whether it was on the mainline or 3 tracks over where we would park power and so Id hear those things starting up all the time. Interesting information.
On a side note the Case forklift I posted about has a Cummins 4-390 engine in it. Now it does have a slight fuel leak at the fuel injection pump which the mechanic took a look at and said he could fix no problem. I also ordered up an owners manual for this machine. So with that said could a leak at the fuel pump have anything to do with the motor not wanting to start as easily?
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 12:35pm
Yes, had an N14 in my Freightliner had a loose line and every morning you would have to crank it awhile to start it. Stopped at a mechanic friend and had him look at it and found one line just needed to be snugged up a little. it would lose prime overnight. When you had it running it seemed fine and would start all day.
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Posted By: bigcreek
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 12:59pm
HHmmm well maybe thats it then! Ill hope! Ya once it is warm it fires right up. Ill keep you guys posted on if there is any change once the leak is fixed.
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