FORD TWIN I BEAM ??
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Topic: FORD TWIN I BEAM ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: FORD TWIN I BEAM ??
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:00pm
Brought this up today to a retired "jack of all trades" with ASCI certifications that recalls the "abomination" of Fords "BETTER IDEA" !! When did Ford catch up with the other guys  ???
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:02pm
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FREEDGUY wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:33pm
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Your "jack of all trades", is really just a JACK HOLE..... Twin I beams worked GREAT.. Heavy duty .. Good field trucks.... A step up from the STRAIGHT AXLE on the BIG TRUCKS. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:50pm
| My Dad had four Ford twin-I-beam trucks over his years on the farm. I myself have had four. There was zero $$$$$ ever spent on any of those front ends. I have had two newer F-150's that were more conventional front suspensions and I have had to replace lower ball joints on both of those. This much I have learned: For the first say 70 or 80K miles, it is prudent to turn the front tires inside out to wear them out evenly. As the front coil springs settle with age, this issue just simply goes away. All of these eight trucks I am referring to got 150K or more miles on each one with zero $$$$ ever spent and not one single front end alignment. Believe what you want ( I know you will) but that system worked just fine but did have design limits positioning the engine in its engine bay. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 7:56pm
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the I BEAMS swing thru an arc, so the CASTER, CAMBER and TOE IN and not Constant.. You set them up to run down the road with a specific load and they do great... AS you LIFT the tire up off the ground or add 1000 pounds to the front end, the alignment changes and that finally ended the design.. As Dr said, they were very CHEAP to produce, STRONGER than A frames, never needed parts or alignment ......... made for heavy duty trucks. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 8:26pm
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I'm reading a book about Henry Ford, right now... Its an auto-biography!  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 8:47pm
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[QUOTE=DiyDave]I'm reading a book about Henry Ford, right now... Its an auto-biography! [/QUOTEI watched a History Channel segment on him, Hitler comes to mind
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 9:01pm
https://youtu.be/mE3ehB9jpts" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/mE3ehB9jpts ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 9:31pm
| Hitler murdered 6 million Jews. Henry sure didn't. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 9:32pm
They surpassed the other guys in 1965. Remember a truck was still a tool back then. Oh and let’s not forget the ole coil spring rears. A 60’s -80’s GM truck was very similar to a car. Not the best choice for chasing coyotes. The movie Mr. Majestic was a real tribute to the ole twin IBeams |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2022 at 9:50pm
When did Ford catch up with the other guys   ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 4:37am
Did I hear a request? https://youtu.be/mAFKqkifqBM" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/mAFKqkifqBM ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:03am
No, but at first he was ok with it which is just as bad. Henry had a thing against Jewish bankers. He figured they would ruin everything. Its is part of the reason the Ford Motor Company is set up the way it is. Controlling interest always remains within the Ford family. ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:25am
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re: Controlling interest always remains within the Ford family. Well THAT is a SMART move !!!! Too bad others including our governments don't do the same!! for starts, if they did NO way gas would be $5-7-$10 a gallon ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:31am
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Henry Ford may have been ahead of his time. ‘Jewish Bankers’ as some have called them, underwrote(that is provided the money for) the German war machine. As well as funded the Russian, and Chinese Revolutions. Judaism has a problem, but that’s a different topic that is deep and ingrained, let’s get back to the I-beam. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:36am
| I used to bend those for camber correction. Later versions you couldn't. Changed a lot of king pin bushings. Still have the reamers. Real PITA if the king pin was froze up in the I-beam. Radius arm bushings and tie rods were about the only thing that was a real wear issue. Gear box slop was another thing. Some adjustment but not much. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:39am
I agree 100% LOL. Henry maybe had his share of problems, however you cant take away the good he did for the automotive industry. Back to the twin I beam. I too have only seen them on HD trucks and for what they were, they were not all that bad. Given enough bullets, you can shoot holes in the best of suspensions. Working for a KW dealer, we have seen our share of "bad ideas" when it comes to suspensions. Chalmers, which is made in Canada, seems to be every ones go to for a HD semi truck suspension because they go a long time with out having to be rebushed. With that said, they ride like a tank and allow for very little axle oscillation ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:43am
You mean ASE don't you or is it a new language I don't know about?
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 7:11am
Yes those king pins could be a real pita. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 7:25am
He doesn't know what he means.
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 7:37am
Americans did not find out about the final solution till the end of the war, I find it very hard to believe at that time Henry was ok with it. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 8:30am
| To keep those from eating tires only required Shocks replaced as soon as signs of fatigue failure and the Radius arm bushings under the cab, all minor repairs. NOT Once did I see a maintained Twin I need kingpins. For also used that on FWD trucks with the TTB Front end, rode better than GM or Chrysler FWDs as had Coil Front Suspension, again shocks and radius arm bushings normal wear items, ball joints would take a beating on commercial usage but so too on any of the Solid DANA Series axles. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 10:43am
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Speaking of Henry the shyster, He went bankrupt with others money quite a few times. Formed Detroit Automobile in 1899 and it was dissolved 18 months later. In 1901 he was Chief engineer of Henry Ford Co. 4 months later the company sold in receivership to Henry Leland, who renamed it Cadillac Motor Co. Late in 1902 He formed Ford & Malcomson LTD which failed when The Dodge Brother demanded payment for goods and services. Reorganized as FoMoCo in 1903 with money of 12 others. Proved he was dishonest in the late 40 when he went back on his word with Harry Ferguson for patent royalties for use of the 3pt hitch "Ferguson System" Finally lost that battle in court and never ever fully paid off. Yes he raised the working wage for his employees, however he force all those working for him to live in his Company towns and adhere to his rules of conduct. Anyone that works with unionizers was fired, until the union finally got in after the riots and murders. Not really one of America's model citizens, more of a tyrant.
------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 10:48am
https://the-asci.org/" rel="nofollow - The American Society for Clinical Investigation (the-asci.org) I have to read more tech mags I suppose. https://www.ase.com/ase-certification-tests" rel="nofollow - ASE Certification Tests - Automotive Service Excellence
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 11:07am
One more I, and you get American Standard Code for Informational Interchange. Which we all use everyday
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Posted By: Darwin W. Kurtz
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 12:22pm
| I have a Ram 1500 with over 300,000 miles and only recently had to spend anything on rebuilding the front end. Overall, the Dodge components have held up longer than Ford did when we were still driving Fords. I know if you sell a Ford on a farm auction anywhere around here, they will sell at a big discount to a Silverado and a Dodge will sell better too |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 12:23pm
How many times has General Motors declared bankruptcy? ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 1:55pm
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No automotive company out there, both then and now, care about you more than they care about their bottom line. To call one man a shyster is not fair when they ALL are. ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 3:21pm
| Henry Ford had his good and bad qualities, but to watch a history channel segment and have Hitler come to mind is a lack of knowledge concerning both. As for the twin I beam I didn't have one but I had friends who did, I didn't think they were that bad for what they were. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 3:56pm
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Look up the history of CHEVY and General Motors formation if you want to see a REAL CLUSTER FK.... Henry was a BUSINESSMAN of the time.. NO different than Kennedy, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, Hurst, Durant, Westinghouse or any of the other 100 guys that BUILT AMERICA.
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 5:08pm
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You can replace inner and outer front wheel bearings and races for both sides for $40.00 for quality bearings. If kept serviced they will last many many years. They can be changed on the side of the road with no special tools. A 4x4 socket is helpful but not necessary. Price wheel bearings for a new half ton 4x4 then see about getting them replaced. Then see about servicing them. Then move on to the axles and cv joints which are similar to a foreign piece of  front wheel drive car. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:49pm
He had his henchmen murder striking workers DUDE
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:52pm
Thanks for "most" of the replies, yet no one answered WHEN the TIB went away 
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 6:58pm
Look it up on YOU TUBE...  Henry paid his workers $5. ... FIRST TO DO THAT... He setup schools for the workers to finish their HS Education... FIRST TO DO THAT ........... If you wanted to WORK , GET and EDUCATION, MAKE GREAT PAY and FOLLOW THE RULES ... then Henry was your MAN... If you were a FREE LOADING TROUBLE MAKER... you didnt do so good. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2022 at 7:01pm
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1999 First year of Solid Front End FWD F250. Believe was 2001 or 2002 when Coil Front returned and the Twin I went away in F150 and F250 2WD Never saw you ask WHEN Went AWAY.
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Posted By: Wayne180d
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 12:56am
| I think the other guys are trying to catch Ford and have been for a long time. |
Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 10:03am
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Ford used the twin I beams from 1965 until 2016 on F250 & 350 2wd. and I think Mid 90's on F150 2 wd. King pins are not an issue on a pickup or large truck as long as they get greased as scheduled. just like tie rod ends, drag links and ball joints but recently most don't even have zerks in them. At work We did far less front end work on the Fords than on the Chev / GMC and Dodge pickups in our fleet. Were buying on low cost bid; 60 - 75 1/2 ton 2 wd per year and 15 - 20 3/4 & 1 ton per year. They were kept in fleet until over 150K miles. ------------- AC 200, CAH, AC185D bareback, AC 180D bareback, D17 III, WF. D17 Blackbar grill, NF. D15 SFW. Case 1175 CAH, Bobcat 543B, |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 11:11am
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You need one with the TIB Freebee. You would not spill so much beer when you chug down the railroad tracks to get to the blocked crossing. Ford had a commercial back when they where new driving on the rails with a big star holding a cup of coffee without spilling a drop. Chevy had a non solid axle in C 60 trucks in 1960, as one is rusting away out in my junk. It drove good for a old truck, but was told real expensive to rebuild.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 11:34am
| In 1996 the F-150's went to a more conventional lower A-arm with a ball joint that wore out. They did this to position the engine lower as I remember. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 12:47pm
| Them early 60's Chevy 2 tons road like a car....sorta. Torsion bar suspension |
Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2022 at 2:29pm
He had his henchmen murder striking workers DUDE   !! Some are of the opinion that his body guard Harry Bennet was the one behind that. In any case they didn't murder 6 million people.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 6:06pm
But BENNET was under the thumb of Ford at that time, and those murdered were AMERICAN workers on AMERICAN soil
 . There's an episode of "Mysteries Of The Abandoned" on the SC/channel, yours truly Ford bought property for a rubber tree plantation in SA and within 2 years was given up by the FMC |
Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 6:56pm
| I assume your talking the hunger march? Bennet had a lot of influence over Ford so much so his family didn't approve and when Henry died one of the first things they did was fire Bennet. So how much under Fords thumb he was isn't clear. Henry Ford did do a number of good things for his employees. As far as the hunger march it wasn't as simple as Fords security murdering people, I have doubts about how accurate wikpedia and the history channel for that matter but if you type in Ford hunger march it does show quite a lot was going on at the time. |
Posted By: sparky
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2022 at 7:27pm
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All this past history “Horsesh&&t” over a Twin I Beam? Gotta be kidding me.😫 ------------- It's the color tractor my grandpa had! |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 7:08am
Back in the late 60's or early 70's I remember seeing a Ford commercial where they had a Twin-I-Beam pickup driving along railroad tracks; there was a metal bar attached to the spindle of the front wheel and a metal bar mounted on the front bumper. There were glass bottles standing in between the railroad ties; the bar mounted on the bumper would just barely pass over the top of the bottles, and the bar mounted on the spindle would break the bottles when it dropped down between the ties. I always wondered who got to clean up the mess  |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 5:36am
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Every time I look at a new GM I can’t help but see obamas face and remember that they never actually paid back the tax payers. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:28am
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:09am
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The BADGE on the hood should have bummers face on it..... ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:28am
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2022 at 1:52am
Apparently you didn't get to the part where he had no high opinion of "Der Fuhrer"... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |