New Push - E15 will drop gas price 10 cents
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Topic: New Push - E15 will drop gas price 10 cents
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Subject: New Push - E15 will drop gas price 10 cents
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 8:39am
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Ah the big new to help everyone afford gas - make it E15 say you will save 10 cents a gallon - (get less mileage) will effect any older vehicles that barley get by on E10 and will be the push to grow more corn to supply the need . Setting here and wondering WHAT IDIOT makes these decisions, then tries to convince others it's a good solution to a problem they created. Politics or just facts there is a real problem facing the energy factors in the US when food becomes fuel , fuel becomes the thing that destroys older vehicles , and someone says it's for your benefit they do it ??? ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 8:57am
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What IDIOT...? Jes follow the money..... corn for fuel INCREASES the cost of corn for FOOD, which will be badly needed in a month or so as over 300 Ukraine grain ships are blockaded by Russian ships ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 10:16am
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Its all part of the TERDIE CIRCLE JERK.... Tell the people you are DOING SOMETHING FOR THEM, when in reality NOTHING is changing... ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 11:15am
| They are just scrambling to make themselves look good after they screwed it up by shutting down domestic oil, now they want to look good when people are crying about the high price of gas, but we have $7.00 corn and a few ethanol plants that have been shut down since the pandemic started. If they could get those up and running again It won't be a quick solution. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 11:31am
Biden wants to let people buy blended gasoline to lower prices. There’s just one big problemTristan Bove It's one of the https://fortune.com/2022/04/12/us-inflation-march-2022-consumer-price-index-biggest-jump-since-1981/" rel="nofollow - main drivers of U.S. inflation reaching a 40-year high , and among the factors https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/08/gas-prices-political-threat-democrats/" rel="nofollow - most likely to hurt Democrats’ electoral chances in the November midterms. It’s high gasoline prices, and President Joe Biden is starting to get creative in trying to lower them. U.S. gas prices currently average https://fortune.com/2022/04/10/average-u-s-gas-price-drops-10-cents-to-4-27-per-gallon/" rel="nofollow - $4.27 per gallon , a sharp decline after a https://fortune.com/2022/03/13/average-us-gas-price-rises-record/" rel="nofollow - mid-March high that caused drivers to put in fewer miles on the road, sending demand for gas plummeting. But the national average is still well over $1 more per gallon relative to a year ago, and the current decline by no means indicates that prices won’t rise again. As summer nears, and demand for gas inevitably grows, a limited gas supply could lead to prices https://fortune.com/2022/03/15/gas-prices-top-five-dollars-next-six-months-economic-ripples-even-more-dire/?queryly=related_article" rel="nofollow - exceeding $5 . One U.S. diplomat even warned that an inability to import more gas could cause prices to https://fortune.com/2022/03/08/gas-prices-6-dollars-per-gallon/" rel="nofollow - rise as high as $6 this year, something that has already happened in https://www.businessinsider.com/la-gas-prices-over-6-gallon-california-most-expensive-us-2022-3" rel="nofollow - some parts of the country Biden is desperate to reduce prices, and he announced his latest measure to do so on Tuesday. Speaking from a bioprocessing and ethanol manufacturing plant in Menlo, Iowa, Biden https://www.weareiowa.com/video/news/live_breaking/president-joe-biden-menlo-iowa-watch-live-e15-ethanol-speech-announcement/524-728fb3ca-8da2-453d-8a6d-12da869c5b1c" rel="nofollow - announced that he would make gasoline blended with ethanol available year-round instead of suspending its sale during summers. Ethanol blended fuel is slightly more affordable, and Biden hopes the plan will bring prices down significantly at the pump, but the President will likely encounter resistance as ethanol fuel has for years drawn the ire of environmental and energy groups, to the point that the Environmental Protection Agency had banned its sale during summers since 2011. What are ethanol gas blends?The type of fuel Biden is targeting is known as E15 gasoline, a petroleum fuel combined with a 15% ethanol blend. Ethanol is made from the fermentation of starchy plants, usually corn. Since 2011, https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/final-rule-regulation-mitigate-misfueling-vehicles-and-engines-gasoline" rel="nofollow - the EPA has banned the sale of E15 in most of the country from June 1 and Sept. 15, because it contributes to air pollution when outside temperatures are high. E15 is still sold in 30 states, but only at around one out of every 65 gas stations in the country, https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethanol_e15.html" rel="nofollow - according to the Department of Energy . A less potent form of the mixture—known as E10, which only uses a 10% ethanol blend—has been approved for general use by the EPA for years. In a call previewing Tuesday's announcement, https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-allow-higher-ethanol-fuel-sales-summer-check-gas-prices-2022-04-12/" rel="nofollow - reported by Reuters , Biden administration officials said that the ethanol blend will be 10 cents cheaper per gallon on average than regular gas. “Those savings can add up, especially during the summer months, when fuel is elevated,” one White House representative said. Year-round ethanol salesFor E15 to be sold during summer, Biden has requested a waiver from the EPA, although it would not be the first time the agency will have granted one. In 2019, the Trump White House filed https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-delivers-president-trumps-promise-allow-year-round-sale-e15-gasoline-and-improve-1" rel="nofollow - a similar request , citing a “commitment to energy independence, regulatory reform, and increasing the use of biofuels to give consumers more choices.” The EPA granted the waiver, achieving rare https://grist.org/article/ethanol-fuel-e15-big-oil-climate-summer-epa/" rel="nofollow - condemnation from both environmental groups, which worried about the health and climate risks of E15, and oil companies, which did not want biofuels to cut into their profits. For Biden, the priority is to reduce gas prices, and do it fast. High gas prices are now a https://fortune.com/2022/04/12/us-inflation-march-2022-consumer-price-index-biggest-jump-since-1981/" rel="nofollow - leading cause of inflation, and the President and his party are https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-blame-vladimir-putin-oil-companies-high-gas/story?id=83967683" rel="nofollow - being blamed by many voters for prolonged high prices at the pump. The White House has tried to place responsibility for high gasoline prices on Russia and its ongoing war in Ukraine, and even calling the surge “ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-president-bidens-plan-to-respond-to-putins-price-hike-at-the-pump/" rel="nofollow - Putin’s price hike .” Biden has already tried several strategies to increase oil supply and lower prices. The U.S. is spearheading https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1090814180/iea-emergency-oil-release-gasoline-prices-spr" rel="nofollow - a global effort to release 240 million barrels of oil from emergency reserves before the end of the year, with https://fortune.com/2022/03/31/biden-oil-reserve-release-plans-high-gas-prices/" rel="nofollow - 180 million coming from the U.S.. Biden is also https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-01/biden-aide-says-energy-companies-can-up-production-if-they-want" rel="nofollow - pushing for U.S. oil companies to ramp up production, and has made https://fortune.com/2022/03/09/biden-saudi-arabia-venezuela-oil-energy-prices-russia-ukraine/" rel="nofollow - diplomatic approaches to increase oil trade flows with other countries. This story was originally featured on https://fortune.com/2022/04/12/biden-authorizes-blended-ethanol-gasoline-sale-lower-prices/" rel="nofollow - Fortune.com ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 12:51pm
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Older vehicles don't run good on the blended fuel and that's what they want, is to get them off the road so they sell more electric vehicles and that keeps us in a smaller circle because of the electric milage range.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 1:06pm
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administration officials said that the ethanol blend will be 10 cents cheaper per gallon on average than regular gas. So E15 will be about 3 CENTS cheaper than E10 ??? ....... 20 gallons per fill up... $ .60 "SAVED"..... fill up once a week so $30. PER YEAR !!! YEA... IM IMPRESSED !!!   ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 3:00pm
Yeah, awesome ain't it?
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steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 3:39pm
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This all a big push from the ethanol industry and their lobbyists taking advantage of an opportunity caused by Putin invading Ukraine. Environmentalists and oil companies are both unhappy. E15 is sold in 30 states now and only at around one out of every 65 gas stations in the country, according to Dept. of Energy. Politicians are trying to ease the pain but it likely won't make much of a dent. ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:07pm
| What do NOT explain is the E10-E15 lose that percentage of fuel economy when use, So that IMAGINARY savings goes away with MORE fuel use per tank full as Less Miles. ALL is smoke and Mirrors. |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:25pm
Great, so the price I'm already getting raped on for WDG will go up more and my pickup will get less fuel mileage! Sounds like a logical approach to me, it will work out great, I can't wait!!  ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:42pm
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Man what a mess I would be in without some (Ummmmm let me try to think of a good word) elected officials to look out for my best interests. I tried a tank of that great stuff this week end. My go pedal felt like i was stepping on a big marsh mellow. Well now come to think of it, maybe in the near future my uncle will funnel a little of that corn squeezings off and hand out samples before mid term. Bring on the shine.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 5:14pm
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This all a big push from the ethanol industry and their lobbyists taking advantage of an opportunity caused by Putin invading Ukraine NO.. the BIG PUSH is from WIPE ME and the MORONS in the White House... They use PUTT ONE as a SCAPE GOAT... They CAUSED this CLUSTER FK and THEY OWN IT ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 5:27pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 7:33pm
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I can't figure out how anyone can blame any USA elected officials. Maybe the blame should go where it belongs; on the oil companies. Here are the prices around the world as of Monday, April 11. Check out countries like Canada. https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/" rel="nofollow - https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 7:50pm
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Three years ago we were PRODUCING 13 MILLION barrels per day....... today that is less than 11.5 MILLION...... We were buying LESS than 1 MILLION barrels per day from Russia 3 months ago. The ENTIRE PROBLEM is US POLICY towards OIL... NOT the oil companies or Russia. Look at any MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY... 30- 50% of what OUR PRICE is today.. and we have MORE OIL.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 8:59pm
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During COVID, demand was way down. One Boeing 747 holds 63,500 gallons of fuel. One 900' to 1100' cruise ship holds between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 gallons and can burn up tp 66,000 gallons per day. With demand down so much, oil companies naturally cut back on production. Less than 19% of the world's oil is produced in the USA. Oil prices have cycled up and down since the 1970's. Do you remember 2008's prices? We are recovering from a pandemic that none of us have ever lived through anything like it before. It's almost impossible to hire employees right now. Oil company profits have been way down for a couple years. Yes, the price is high right now, but it will cycle back lower, but probably never to the ridiculously low prices of the last two years, since consumption will be up drastically.
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Posted By: dp7000
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 10:39pm
| Well reasoned and said WF owner. Oil companies are in no hurry to step up production. It’s their opportunity to reap profits after a couple of down years. Domestic oil companies are setting on more than 9000 approved drilling permits they are not working. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 7:34am
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 7:51am
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re: Check out countries like Canada. yeah 1.49 per litre WHERE ???? Lying SOBs... 'cheap' gas is 1.60-1.90 per litre depending on time of day, day of week. For SURE it'll be higher tonight...Good Friday weekend... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 7:51am
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 8:10am
They cant touch those permits because of bidens EO 13990 and EO 13992. The oil companies have released a statement telling Xiden to cut the crap. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 8:17am
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All the GOVT has to do is BACK OFF and change the RULES back to 2 years ago and we would have 2 MILLION barrels PER DAY MORE PRODUCTION... and Prices would drop to $2.50 .... ..... BUTT... the GOVT has a WAR AGAINST OIL.... They want gas to cost over $4. a gallon to FORCE PEOPLE to think about electric cars... Now the SUBSIDIES kick in to "HELP YOU BUY ELECTRIC"... and "FIGHT THE BIG BAD OIL COMPANY"..... This is all part of the plan.. A long time coming.
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 8:17am
There are plenty of laid off oil workers willing to go back to work, good God the Democrats have been quoted countless times they want high gas prices, its what they want. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 8:20am
Dont forget biden has made it impossible for banks to loan money for fracking. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 8:51am
| Run whatever gas you want. personally E-30 is now my favorite but hard to find, I have ran E-10 since the 80's in vehicles dating back into the 50's. I personally get better fuel mileage with E-15 then E-10, with my states fuel blending rules. If you buy fuel in states with different rules, your mileage will vary! Cakifornia's gas is the worst; I always lose at least 2mpg. Right now NM gas treats me the best. Wyoming used to have a great fuel blend but changed it's rules! |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 3:49pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 4:13pm
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It seems that most are more interested in blaming someone they don't like, more than they are listening to facts. Many are more interested in making this, and a lot of other threads into a political thing, even though the rules are that there is supposed to be no politics in this forum. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 4:29pm
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It seems that most are more interested in blaming someone they don't like, more than they are listening to facts.--- ( like the oil companies, covid , Putin , Ukraine ??) The FACTS are obvious to most... You dont have to BLAME the present Administration.. They TOLD YOU what they were going to do and they DID IT... And gas prices have gone from $1.75 to $4.00 in 1.5 years.............. THEY TOLD YOU IT WOULD... due to POLICY. Its not "political" its FACTS... IF you dont like it, DONT POST.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 4:51pm
Yep. ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: dp7000
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 5:18pm
| Ditto |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 6:22pm
| Gas WAS going down in St Louis - $3.47 at a few places - BAM today $3.95 , thanks Joe and company |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 9:38pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 9:15am
If you are going to discuss high energy prices its obviously political as it is the current policy of this administration, they made it political. The blame rests squarely on this WH, its not because its some one we dislike, it is a fact, nice try. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 9:27am
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NO ONE will buy "electric cars" if you have the price of gas at $2.00 .... there is an AGENDA. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 9:39am
And they have come right out and said it! I DISLIKE moronic policies.------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 9:54am
I challenge you to name one subject that has not been politicized by the left. EVERYTHING is....that way you can't talk about it because your being political!
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