John Deere strike
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Topic: John Deere strike
Posted By: DougG
Subject: John Deere strike
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 9:31am
| John Deere strike seems to be getting serious, as the new news is JD said take it or leave it to the strikers and looking into building equipment in other foreign factories - they have 53- thats pretty impresive- Im thinking the guys should have taken the deal |
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Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 9:56am
| Unfortunately for the unions they are operating and pounding their drums under the false illusion the current administration is standing behind them. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 10:46am
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JD can certainly try to move production overseas... That will be a huge ordeal in and of itself during normal times, let alone current times and the huge supply chain mess we currently have. Then how much longer do customers here have to wait for their equipment to ship after it is built, sitting in containers on boat from Europe or Asia? How much more are they willing to pay for the increased cost of shipping something overseas that used to be built 600 miles down the road? When does the price go up so much they decide to just buy something from Case/New Holland, AGCO, CAT, Kinze, etc. instead - and probably with a shorter lead time? There are plenty of hardcore JD guys out there, but if you need a new piece of equipment by X date (or if you needed it yesterday?), and your favorite brand is going to be 6 months longer than everyone else and even more expensive, what do you do? Heck, a lot of equipment is too big to fit in a container and will still require plenty of assembly when it arrives in the USA. Lots of things to consider. From the outside the union looks to be in a pretty strong position right now, and they got a lot out of JD vs. the first offer. My guess is JD and the UAW talk and they give a tiny bit more and the members approve - probably in the best interest of both parties. It is hard to justify record profits (and probably record stock dividends and corporate salaries/bonuses soon to come) and not also give record raises to your employees. Of course JD and all companies have to balance this with the inevitable downturn that will be coming and not give too much, but who knows if that will be next year or 3 years or 5 years from now... Plenty to think about. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 10:58am
| Production has been overseas quite awhile now for nearly all manufacturers of farm machines, mostly just assemblers of foreign components here now. Have to pay a tax for shipping in fully assembled machines but is cheap in comparison to the raises and demands of benefits from the Unions. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 3:21pm
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Not for or against.... But i remember the Springfield Illinois ALLIS Construction Machinery Plant... BIG PLACE.. 100 YEARS OLD... Union thought they ran the place.. FIAT bought 50% of the operation in the 1970s .... in the mid 1980s there was a strike... Union had bid demands... FIAT said NO... this is what we got, take it or leave it... If you turn us down we will move the factory out of US...... Union told the company to Eat Chit..."YOU WILL NEVER MOVE THIS PLANT"..... 30 days later 500 semis moved in and stripped the place to the concrete floor while 3000 Union guys stood at the gate and watched them pull out. Sad day for all... ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 4:56pm
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There used to be a large Caterpillar plant in York, Pa. back in the 70s. The union want more that CAT was willing to pay and that plant has been close for more than 40 years. Only the Bigwigs in the union made out as they sill have their jobs telling others to strike. I've seen this happen many other places as well. I totally agree with workers that better pay, benefits and working conditions is desirable, however giving up 10% to a talking head is no my idea of doing good. I have worked for many bad bosses (which I've told them what I think of them to their face) and a few very good ones that would do the same work as that wanted me to do. What workers need to do is stand up for themselves as individuals instead of carrying a lot of dead weight along with them. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 5:09pm
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A neighbor wanted a JD compact tractor with loader. After waiting months they found the tractor, but no loader. He said we would take it, and then wait for the loader. Still waiting, and now they are on strike. The new tractor is nice, but a tractor with no loader is mostly useless to him. Covid shut down, chip shortage, now strike. Taking the fun out of buying a new toy. I wonder how tractor sales really are doing.
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Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 5:22pm
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I'm going to probably get put in my place but myself I think green paint is WAY overrated |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 6:10pm
| Your right TomC- it is in my opinion, but they have had good marketing and planning people, |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 10:30pm
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I can't blame the workers for walking, kind of surprised that they voted no the second time. I think Wjohn is right in his thought, but only time will tell. It is good to see Deere people sweat a bit when their overpriced machines break down and parts aren't available! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 10:51pm
| a fellow i know ordered a new CAT excavator last spring (march i think he said) and he still hasn't gotten it, says it's made somewhere over seas, he's been making payments on it monthly but he doesn't have it yet. CAT won't tell him when it will arrive or if it's even built yet. he thinks if it does come,it'll be stuck ona ship waiting to get to a port. i didn't know that CAT had moved their factory overseas. i toured one factory of theirs in IL when i was younger, that place was HUGE! are there any of the big brands made here anymore? coffee shop talk says there is a green combine sitting in a field of corn near here, been there awhile, broke and no parts to fix it. i dunno why no one will go in and finish his crop? maybe the dealers aren't renting machines? maybe he burned some bridges? i was never a union person myself, but did belong to a union where i worked. only reason is where i worked the union could save my job better if needed and if sued they had good lawyers. i was just a follower, not a leader or a real gung ho union person. |
Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 11:09pm
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The dealers don't have machines to rent out here. The neighbor had a heck of a time finding a part for his S670. He was down to just one 9600 (His other one had a cab fire this year), and when that one had problems, he was out of action entirely until he could get it going again. He was planning on fixing and borrowing the 7700 I bought at auction to finish harvest, but Deere got the part finally and he got going again. Funny enough, one of our combines did end up harvesting some of his crop, but it was our little F2 doing about an acre that was too wet for him earlier. Having a light machine sometimes is a blessing. But, that's how bad it is out here. He wanted to rent a tractor this spring. Neither the Deere, Case IH, or Massey dealer had any available to rent ------------- Tractors: Allis WD (x2), Allis 7040, Oliver 1800A Diesel, Case 830 Caseomatic, White 2-105, Massey 1105 | Plus a Gleaner F2, 30' A-C 1300 Cultivator, Flightline bale elevator |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2021 at 11:23pm
| seems it would easier to list what is available right now. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 5:57am
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I ordered some o-rings from Newholland. The parts guy said let me call you back. He called back and said they would have them Friday afternoon. I went in yesterday. I noticed they only have 2 tractors đ n the whole lot. Big tractors. Even the equipment was scarce. The parts guy told me the only reason I got the o-rings is because a sister dealer had them on n the shelf. They canât get small tractors and canât get any parts whatsoever. Bud fluid was too much $75.00 per 5 gallons, so I went to the local oil supply. Guy at the oil supply says they canât get Rotella. No one around here has Rotella |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 8:34am
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Hey Thad,,,did you try TSC,,,? I seen some Rotella at the local TSC bout a week ago,,,, I also been waiting on some parts for the Ferguson project from Yesterday's Tractors going on two months now and all I get when calling is,,,,,"They're on the way",,,PFfffttt!!!!!
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 8:45am
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Joe, TSC would have been 50 miles in the opposite direction. I was 25 miles East to get the o-rings and TSC is 25 miles north west of home. I found what I needed at a convenience store. Not gonna mention what I gave per quart. Still with gas at $3.00 + per gallon and time lost. I figured it was worth it to get my project done. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 10:41am
| Two weeks and counting on starter rebuild for M3. Also saying parts hard to get |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 10:57am
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There's lots of families down in Menterey, Torreon, and Horizontina that are all hoping the union votes everything down. They've got people, space, and capacity to pick it all up.
------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 6:55pm
| most all the shortages from all over is copy cats trying to get people to buy impulsivly, many stores have product in the back rooms or in on site conex boxes...they are betting that when they do put to product on the shelves...it will sell really fast! and of course the stuff that is still on the shelves is stuff that's hard to sell when other like stuff is out there. hopefully a sales ploy that will burn their a$$'s off! i know when a store does that to me...i just won't buy the items, i'll make other arrangements. others around here are following suit. there are other places to buys things. an area store has put alot of their product in the back rooms...filling them...in hopes as i described above, and another local person contacted the fire marshal, he did a walk thru and told them to stock their empty shelves with the product or he'll close the store! the store is still open, the shelves are full, wow...where's the shortage they were talking about? the big company semis are not just out driving around for something to do. alot of big stores are getting 2-3 semi loads of items everyday. maybe if ya'll would tip off your state fire marshal...things might change, he don't hafta make an appointment! sure worked in our town! there are senerios all over and some places are strapped for parts or supplies...but not all of them. i could go on and on...but most of you will get the picture! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 7:20pm
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I wonder where theyâre hiding all those tractors and trucks? |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 10:33pm
| there's no shortage of trucks in my area. dealers have just as many as they always carry. maybe they are shuffling them around more than usual to their other stores? |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 10:33pm
I think a lot of them on are the 150 floating cargo ships off the coast of LA !!  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2021 at 7:19am
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Just recently took a trip through 8 southern states. They all have a shortage of trucks. You couldnât see the ports for the stacked up containers. |
Posted By: JLS retired
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2021 at 11:31am
| heard a podcast other day said chip shortage is car makers using (relativly) old tech and chip makers R all after the newest and fastest (and more profitable) chips. Old lines are dropped, manufacturing facilities are changed to newer stuff, and dinosaur car makers are stuck. Said newer outfits like Tesla and some I never heard of before don't seem to have any problems because they have jumped on the latest cpu equipment. P S New green equip coming from JD s europe plants are too big for containers, comes over on roll on/roll off ships. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2021 at 11:58am
Maybe this is right, but it sounds wrong to me. In "normal" times (whatever the heck that is), millions of vehicles per year are sold. "As goes automotive, as goes the manufacturing economy" they say. Seems a strong enough market to command a presence, regardless of what vintage they want.
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JLS retired wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2021 at 12:41pm
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all "new" electronics goes thru a test procedure to see how long it will last... Maybe they are shooting for 99.9% life...failure rate ( 1 in 1000) after 3-4 years of use.. That would be good for a computer / cell phone........... Not so good for cars out in the weather... They need 99.999% for 10- 15 years .... Some of the "new" stuff might not be high enough quality to meet AUTO/ Air Craft needs........... dont know, but i HEARD that. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2021 at 12:50pm
| That too. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2021 at 6:10am
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The average new vehicle has about 50 semiconductors, or microchips. More options, more microchips. The service manager to me that my truck (2021 Ford F-350 Platinum diesel) has about 140 (+/-) microchips.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2021 at 6:26am
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For the most part, the microchips are NOT a 'service ' problem. The chunk of silicon inside some epoxy is an extremely robust, reliable component. I've got 35 year old (1983ish) laptops and they still function fine... The biggest problems with 'computerz in cars' are 1) wire and connectors and 2) LOUSY programming. re: 1..wife's Nissan would both NOT start using remote AND if running, you could remove key(yeah it NEEDS a real key), then you could DRIVE it ! After several trips to dealer,they FINALLY removed/reinstalled the remote starter 'computer' AFTER I TOLD them why it was failing and how to fix it re: 2.chips are cheap so programmers code 'bloatware'...excessively complicated code, taking up lots of space, and they never do any actual testing ,in the car, in real world conditions( works on paper...so it has to work.....) CANbus, the communications protocol in today's vehicles, is TERRIBLY complex so LOTS can go wrong, and a NIGHTMARE to troubleshoot. Course they don't, they just replace this box, that box,...there it works, that'll be $5K please..... If you think it's bad now, just wait until the 'human presense detection' computer s get added. These scan and record who is sitting it which seat to 'help' with safety..... That tech( internal laser scanners, 3D bloatware) is really scary....totally not needed but....'gotta have it'.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2021 at 6:30am
Right, and multiplied over millions of vehicles. That's why I don't buy the version of things about higher tech chips. I
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 6:08pm
| When I owned my tire shop I had a good customer go to work at the JD plant in Ankeny. He grew up on a farm and worked on 1 for several years before wanting a job inside out of the rain and snow. He started and went to work building combines, etc. He almost quit several times. He couldn't stand the slow pace of working there. He said those guys could turn out 3 times the number of combines if they'd get off their butts and actually do some work. I am not running down unions. Just stating what a hard working farm kid told me. One of several reasons their stuff is so over priced. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 6:41pm
| Similar story from my dad and several others I knew who had worked at FMC |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 6:59pm
You guys would not believe the HORROR stories from a former "FOREMAN" of a non-union project company that had to basically "BEND OVER" and smile  .
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 7:57pm
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In 1978, there was Farmall in Rock Island, IH in East Moline... and three other Deere facilities in Moline, East Moline, and Silvis. In Bettendorf, there was JI Case. In north Davenport, JI CASE. All of these plants were within a 7 mile radius. Also within same radius, was over 400 small manufacturers, and 1000 supplier facilities (bearing companies, hydraulic, electrical, and mechanical suppliers, etc)... and a workforce of over 40,000 union employees. By 1984, all those manufacturing facilities were totally shut down, and over half the small businesses were gone. I walked through the Rock Island Farmall plant in 1990... the old brick walls were painted white, and every 20 feet, were exquisite paintings of each red tractor they'd manufactured, along with signatures of the names of the workers who built those machines. None of those walls still stand. The huge IH facility on the upper end of Ben Butterworth Parkway was emptied and flattened, now there's a hotel out there. If they choose to be foolish, there's nothing anyone else can do about it, but most of my school classmates whose parents were proud to sit out on the line, wound up moving away, hoping to find opportunity elsewhere. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 8:45pm
The reason itâs so overpriced is because they charge what the market will bear. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2021 at 5:19am
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Actual labor costs are a fraction of overall expenses in manufacturing, worked Union and Non, benefits were bargained for to keep skills at the Union facilities, non union shops tended to be close to slave labor markets where the politically correct butt kissers got raises behind closed doors and those that kept the machines moving took it on the chin moving on after honing skills, 99% of those facilities closed in under ten years due to quality issues. There is far more to machinery costs than Union labor, CEOs earning 400 times the average wage, followed by COO, CFO, boards of directors getting stock shares in the millions of dollars face value for their expertise in upper managerial wisdom. Then the point much of the production is from overseas being assembled here to sate the Fed as to âmanufacturingâ here to bury profits into offshore funds. Lots more to it than âUnion is badâ thinking. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2021 at 4:43pm
In my previous "horror story" reply, there's a REASON why a box of KELLOGS CORN FLAKES costs what it does
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2021 at 6:17pm
Amen ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2021 at 5:24am
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My previous employer had top heavy management, excused as to "Necessary to maintain a watchful eye of the Union Membership" as to screwing off or not performing duties that really did not exist. Was in essence buddies employing buddies to make the most money from the corporation, so called "Golden Children" of Management. Had a VP of Nuclear, a Chief Operation Officer, a Corporate Nuclear Officer, a Department head for every sub section Department the managers could concoct(Last count was 67), Plant Operation Senior Officer, Plant Operations Senior Manager, then had Superintendents, First Line Supervisors, On Line Supervisors, Efficiency Consultants, Working Foremen, Work Package Consultants, Work Package Adjusting personnel, Work Package Alignment Personnel and then the Union Technicians as Electrician or Welder or Mechanic. That along with QC Inspectors watching every operation FULL TIME with same level of Sub Management. Of 720+ plant employees, 145 were Union, Including Operations personnel, Store rooms and Clerical Staffs. I seldom saw the Managers in plant.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2021 at 7:41pm
Company I work is very close to 50/50 union/salaried. Amazing part is we run around the clock and very easily can run a long weekend with out one of them stepping foot in the plant. When COVID first hit and work from home was the big thing one of the salary gems got cauâ working from homeâ on the golf course and another time camping. Truth be told the plants run better and more tons get produced when itâs just us hourly folk around.
------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2021 at 6:42am
| John Deere made it's most recent offer public, I saw it on Farms.com Looks pretty darn good to me. COLA every 3 months? Wow, worried about inflation much? Awesome healthcare, big bumps to retirement, scheduled wage increases and scheduled lump sum payments. Vote is Wednesday. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2021 at 6:44am
There's putz operators and putz managers. As there are good operators and good managers. Just depends on who's grouped together where on what shift for what gets done for productivity.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 7:13am
| Strike ended, deal ratified 61% to 39%. Gotta wonder what those 39% wanted! |