The "New" Movement To Cordless ??
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Topic: The "New" Movement To Cordless ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: The "New" Movement To Cordless ??
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 6:38pm
Is it just me, or is our environment headed towards a NEW downfall ; the LITHIUM ION powered cordless tools ?? By and large, you guys CAN NOT tell me that the majority of "users" of these batteries "lawfully" dispose of them   . Throwing a AAA alkaline remote control battery is 1 thing, but a 24/36 volt LI ??
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 6:46pm
| Nearly ALL trash not buried in a farm ditch is sent to a transfer station these days, is sorted and separated as well recyclable materials attended to. LiO batteries as well NiCad batteries are generally caught. |
Posted By: ZachD89
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 6:46pm
I would be more worried about what’s going to happen to all the junk batteries in these new GREAT electric cars and trucks  Most people most likely throw them in the trash and then off to the land fill. Going GREEN is so GREAT  ------------- 37 A,37 Waukesha B,35 WC,38 WF,M crawler,49 WF,49 WD,53 WD45,39 and 40 RC,47 WC,41 B,39 B,48G,48,C,59D10,D21,IB,B10,B12,B208,B1,Roto Bale Loader, sp100 combine, allcrop 66, L3 Gleaner |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 6:56pm
That is a great thing to hear, I hope it's the same everywhere
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DMiller wrote:Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 7:09pm
I can't wait for MORE electric vehicles to get on the road
, this will lower the price of gasoline for my TRUE work vehicle  . There will be NO throwing away a massive electric vehicle battery in the local landfill due to the "core" charges of them  !! |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 10:23pm
No such thing as a transfer station around here. Garbage comes right out of the trucks onto the working face. Pushed up the slope with a dozer and run over with a 90,000 trash compactor. This is my week in the dozer. Next week I'm the packer operator. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 10:51pm
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well we just had this conversation at dinner. Neighbor has trucking company. One of his ex employees was there shooting the sh$$, he works for power company now. That just bought the new fully electric backhoe. The batteries cost something like $80k and I forget what he said for longevity on charge. But he was saying with the other backhoes the operators would drive to emergency call and back. Now they will need to trailer it as I won’t make I back to shop. But then they were talking about the batteries and just so happens another guy was there from a large scrap yard company. He said the will not take any of these new cars trucks or anything with them new batteries. Guess There really isn’t anything of value for scrap and recycling in them and they are dangerous for shocking or something. There’s no easy was to truly kill juice. As for the cordless drill batteries and stuff. I don’t believe people are taking the time to do it the (right) way if there is. And just tossing them in the trash. I can see all this on that television show mysteries of the abandoned in the future
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 5:19am
| So in one post you are condemning cordless tools, but then you can’t wait for more electric cars? What you gonna do when your car goes dead waiting on the train? |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 8:39am
What you gonna do when your car goes dead waiting on the train?
 ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 9:02am
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 10:18am
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Some of the guys at work are going completely cordless table saws, chop saws nail guns and air compressor. None of this stuff lasts as long as corded stuff and it costs way more. I’ve seen bad luck with table saws and chop saws. I do have a couple 20v Dewalt trim guns. I use them for punch list stuff and not production work. |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 1:45pm
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People will move to electric vehicles because gas prices are high and will not come down, that's the plan. As for disposing of vehicles, try to get rid of a Prius, number 1; they won't take it unless the batteries are removed, then, number 2; (appropriately numbered), they charge you to take it. Just like trying to dispose of a tv only bigger. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 2:00pm
| People will be riding a bicycle or walking soon, if we get many more "true believers" in the man caused climate change running the show. Only if your going to build a mansion for a big wig ruler will you be allowed to ride anything that is not human powered. Think the salve days for the Jews building a pyramid. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 5:44pm
Post of the year nominee! You got my vote! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 8:02pm
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I don't consider a $30,000+ vehicle a "tool", a $250 drill/driver combo-YES
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2021 at 8:24am
X2, never even heard of one of those animals in these parts.
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2021 at 9:07am
almost forgot about the train post, got my vote------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 7:03am
| A vehicle is a tool the same as a tractor, drill, or hammer. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 9:41am
| A fate worse than death, battery operated tools went dead on the job,went home early,get stuck at the RR tracks waiting on the train,the car battery dies while your waiting at the tracks,all this before happy hour & a stop by the beer store. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2021 at 1:35pm
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NOW THATS FUNNY !!! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 6:01pm
On a serious note, I just witnessed a Makita commercial for a cordless lawn mower- it takes FOUR batteries at $120/battery  . This trend towards "cordless tools" is out of control IMO  .
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 7:16pm
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6500 Canucks gets you a battery powered CubCadet 42" rider up here.. ..$1500 for a gasser ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 7:20pm
I wouldn't give $150 American green backs for ANY CC
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:10am
Where’s your “forward thinking”? You seem to think we’ll be just fine with cordless vehicles. A screw gun is ok, but a lawn mower isn’t, but a vehicle is….🤔 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:26am
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The problem with virtually ALL 'battery powered' equipment IS the batteries. expensive to make, expensive to use, expensive to get rid of( recycle ?,hahaha) we all know it's cheaper to buy a 'drill/driver/batts/charger' combo kit than ONE battery.. yeah, I've got 2 still in boxes here.. Was given a battery lawnmower...yup, battery costs MORE than a whole new gas mower...... still waiting for Ford to tell me the cost to replace battery in 2022 F150 Lightning, since they put a price tag on the truck, they HAVE to know what the battery costs.... Battery powered 'stuff' seems to be the current 'game in town'. everyone focussed on the technology, but not what it actually costs us(environmental disasters...economy..etc) ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:45pm
D%(* it guys, you really can't see the point of my OP !!!!! It's the "tool" batteries that WILL be the death of pure ground water for drinking/cooking/bathing . THESE little batteries offer NO core charge (to my knowledge) so if no recycler is available, THEY ARE GOING INTO THE LAND FILL !!! At least a 300 pound electric vehicle battery "possibly" has more than an $18 core for a standard 12 volt starting battery so "in theory", less damage to the environment ??Where did I say a "screwgun" is OK ?? I made mention of how convenient they are, but NOT OK
. Your sounding WAY too much like the MO guys dude !! |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:55pm
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If the ground water is that close out here the landfill will have a pit liner and obviously all landfills have ground water monitoring wells. We even have monitoring wells at our county dump and there is about 250 feet of shale that separates the hole from first water. Freed where I grew up the well tested high in nitrates and it’s a 450 foot well with 350 feet of shale before sandstone. It was still safe to drink we all just grew a little more than normal. ------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 6:00pm
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Are you willing to bet the health of your grandchildren on your "facts" ? These L/I batteries in the portable tools are an accident waiting to happen underground IMO
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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 6:10pm
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Never stated any “facts” just what is done out here to protect ground water. I’ll bet if my grandchildren live off the water at my place they won’t have to worry about drinking batteries. From what I’ve seen of some of these youngins eating and drinking various chemicals, mixing Li batteries and water might be the new craze in a year or two. ------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:40pm
| @FREEDGUY; "MO guys"? WTF? |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 8:17pm
| That would have been his attempt to poke us folks that live in Missouri,, key word there is attempt |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 8:32pm
Either that or he's on a 3 stooges kick, again, and don't know how to spell Moe! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 12:57am
But Lithium/Ion batteries in a car are better?
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 2:29am
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" At least a 300 pound electric vehicle battery "possibly" has more than an $18 core for a standard..." Just exactly what vehicle are you talking about? When you change, your suppose to change them all... And a GM EV1's NiMH battery pack weighs 1150lb, ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 3:44am
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I was looking at an auction for a 2011 Nissan Leaf. These battery powered cars are typically going for about $5,000 at auction. Batteries are only supposed to be good for 10 years, so I searched the replacement cost and found the new battery would run about $8,500. With taxes and fees this car could end up costing the buyer $15,000, for a 10 year old car. The range on these cars is 50 miles between charges. ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 3:59am
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The Nissan and Honda battery exchange program is a tell all, the old batteries are shipped back to Japan and who knows from there. I also stand behind the comment as to in MISSOURI 99% of all trash collected is ran thru a separation/transfer station then trash sent to landfills and recyclable items sent to appropriate materials users. SD may be behind in that process but I do not live there. Currently with US Lead Acid Batteries they are shipped from all across the US to the old lead belt mining area of MO, there they are disassembled and the lead recycled, the acid neutralized or repackaged for industrial use as a cleaning agent and the cases placed in trash landfills after washed.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 5:29am
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FG is right about the 'little batteries' going to kill us off, a little at a time. No one notices or does anything ,until too late..... There SHOULD be a 'bounty' on them. Say 10 cents a battery, same as beer bottles. Nobody I know saves the dead ones in a recycle bucket, then take to the 'transfer' station. Same goes for most 'recyclables' up here 'they' demand we source separate, the THEY haul-all to landfill..... My well water's high in nitrates as too,maybe all the corn being fertilized up stream of me ?? re: battery recycle. There's a plant in Toronto(22m from me...) where they toss car batteries into a 'crusher'(was on TV reality show..),once mangled, they separate the acid, plastic and lead......
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 7:07am
Convenient, but not OK. Got it. Excellent point.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 7:12am
| Freedguy, look into the mining of of the materials for these batteries. The conditions. The workforce. What countries are getting the money. If you do all that, and then think the massive scale of electric vehicle production you're dreaming of is OK, well then you and I are just very different people. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 6:55pm
There are multiples from there that heavily mock on multiple forums on "here"
. Your lack of a location tells me that your "there" ?? |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 7:16pm
| @FREEDGUY; Yep. West Central Missouri. 10 miles from the Kansas line and a million miles from everywhere else. LOL. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 7:46pm
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Thank you JTOOL for the info
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Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2021 at 8:00pm
| Jtool, you anywhere near Hume? |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:35pm
| @FREEDGUY; You're welcome. BTW, (if you care) I was just kidding around with the "WTF" comment. I am proud to be a life long Missourian. Fun fact: Both Josey Wales AND William Munny were from this great state. HAHA! |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:40pm
| @TomC; I suppose that depends on what you mean by "near". I am about 30 miles north of Hume around Adrian. The only time I have been to Hume was about 10 years ago when my son had a Little League baseball tournament there. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 7:45pm
| Jtool, I'm originally from Spruce, my Father was from Hume, him & my grandfather owned the hatchery on the NW corner of the square. |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:20pm
| @TomC; Man that's cool. Just so I'm clear, Spruce the little hamlet east of Butler on county road H? If so, was there a school there? Or did you go to school in Montrose or Butler? (I hope that doesn't come across as smart@ssed; I'm genuinely curious). Also, please forgive me but I am not at all familiar with Hume's layout or history but if your ancestor's had a thriving business there I would love to be informed about it. Also, what took you away from God's Country (western MO LOL!) to the "EVIL" side of the state (St. Louis area LOL!)? |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 8:52pm
| Jtool, we have history there going back to the 1840s or so, yes spruce is east of Butler,my mom's parents had a farm just north of Spruce, I went to school in Butler until my Dad got a job with Armor Fertilizer,then we bounced all around from Texas to Minnesota but I always went home. I got involved in trucking ,meet my future bride in Fenton, We live right in between Hillsboro,Festus & Desoto so we're pretty much away from the BS. My grandma taught school in Butler from 1940 something until the early 70s,Della Murphy if that rings any bells. Mom & Dad were living on the farm,Dad passed ,Mom sold the place & went to live with my sister. but yes Sir right there are where my roots are. |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 6:54am
| @TomC; Thanks for the reply. Wow the 1840s. Those ARE some roots. Your grandma would have been a little before my time as I was born in 1972. I spent the first year of my life in Adrian (so I'm told) then we moved to an apartment off of Gladstone Blvd. in old Northeast KC (dad worked at GM Fairfax) then after my 2 younger sisters were born moved to a townhouse complex off of 42nd and Pittman in KC in 77. After dad had open heart surgery in 80, he retired in 81 and for some unfathomable reason we moved to El Dorado Springs MO and lived there until 85 when mom and dad bought a place just west of Adrian and I have been here ever since (except for 2 years beating my head against the wall in college at Rolla and my wife and I living in Columbia the first year of our marriage as she finished up getting her nursing degree from MU then moved back to Adrian in 96). Apparently I like it here. |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:02am
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JTOOL, see you at the show next weekend? I’ll be there today making final preparations. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:08am
| @JW in MO; I don't know if I'll show up there or not. As I understand it, the Optimists are having their 4th of July celebration at the city park that weekend as well. That will be A LOT of people crammed into that small space and I don't know if I want to deal with that. We'll see. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:16am
| Jtool, yup I have a couple years on you,I bought my first freightliner in 1974, I was an owner operator until April 2020, we're both retired now. I have some ground in Reynolds county & between here and there I get to play with my tractors & equipment. My Mom & Dad did in depth research on both sides of our family,, she got it back to the 1730s on my dad's side & the early 1780s on her side,, some real interesting folks I have in my family tree. |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 9:00am
Yup. And Lithium-Ion batteries don't recycle well. Electric cars are a net-energy LOSER compared with internal combustion engines. |