Deuce Dually Dump
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Topic: Deuce Dually Dump
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Subject: Deuce Dually Dump
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 4:15pm
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Ok I was asked to start a thread on this truck project. Its not home yet, maybe in a few days. Saw the add in the local tractor show newsletter. Checked it out and here is what friend Jim and I found:  Stored up on blocks for 70 years by the same family! Moved one time 20 years ago to the current spot. Last time it was on the road was 1952 ish, about the same time I was born. Truck was about 20 miles from me. This 1932 Model AAB was used in a local well drilling operation to carry pipe and water tank.  The owner and I seemed to hit it off and he is a shirt tail relations to Jim too. We looked it over, took a bunch of pictures, thanked the owner and left. Since then I did a bunch of research on the net. Talked to everybody I new and made a offer on the truck. As normal we negotiated some. Friend John a Model A guy went to look at it again yesterday. and after lots of looking we came to a agreement on the price. These working trucks of this size and type are not too common. Probably about like a Edsel Station wagon. Not many made and not kept or sought after. As compared to a Deuce coupe car. Dual rears, I think they are 7.00-20's yea 7 of them!  The cab, compact, 4 speed (check box) non syncro, e brake and dump controls. Battery is under drivers floor board, gas tank under the non stock seat bottom.  Yea 65K miles on that seat.  Turn signal switch I dont think this is factree?  Left signal  more to come. Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 4:29pm
| Wow I’m super jealous but yet happy you got it. I know you’ll do fine work and give it a very good home. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 5:22pm
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Thad, Thanks! It will be another journey. I plan to share some of the trip with you folks too. All new to me. I have been stuck in the 50's. We are stretching a little here. But these are relatively simple much like a tractor. I like the idea of low complexity. At my stage in life simple is better! Some additional pics while I got you!       cab corner drivers side:   Like a new baby, you take a lot of pictures!  Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 5:53pm
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So whats the plan ? Get it running, minor repairs... then ?? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 6:08pm
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Steve, Folks, Some first ideas on this project: 1. Get it out where people can see it. (Hope there will be some interest) 2. Service it to be running and moving/stopping safely. Not planning a full refurb. clean and paint as I usually do. This might remain somewhat as it is. 3. Try to have some fun along the way, meeting new folks and opening some new doors in life. 4. Trailer it to some events for show and tell. (even if static display) Its a good story. 5. If I could drive it to our local antique equipment shows within 40 miles within the next 2 years and not break the bank It will have met my expectations. 6. Meet some new friends that may help me along the way. 7. Long term goals = None! Its just a day at a time. 8. Maybe the kids, grandkids, or great grandkids will have some fun with the truck at some point, even if its just to set in the shade next to it. 9. Could use as part of our hobby business promotion too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 6:45pm
| I like it !! Look forward to pics and updates . Thanks |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 7:14pm
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They are a neat old truck. I have a 1933 BB with a wrecker boom on it and it gets tons of looks and comments. They aren't much for travelling any distance since they go about the speed of a Model T only a lot more growly. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 7:53pm
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WOW ! finding that is like finding a unicorn... ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 8:13pm
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WOW Chris, that's nice, real good sheet metal too! ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 8:17pm
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That is a jewel! And just 5 lugs on a 20' wheel and looks like split rims. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 8:53pm
| I love it! Old trucks have a cool factor that’s hard to understand. When you start thinking about how they were used, the roads they were on, and the folks that drove them, puts my mind in another place. I was lucky enough to find an old Dodge a year ago that now occupies a bay in the garage. Long term goal is to use it some around the farm. Glad to see a survivor that’s not hacked up! Congratulations, Kevin |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 9:06pm
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Nice truck Chris. Have lots of fun with it. Don't forget to get your DOT Sticker!!! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2021 at 9:29pm
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Folks, Thank you! Not sure this one will need a DOT sticker?? I am not up on those rules? There is some type of weird cool factor about dirt moving equipment! Maybe from spending too much time in the sand box as a kid? Also my Uncles sand, gravel and lime business, planted some seeds too. I rode with him when he delivered gravel and lime. I wasn't real excited about the dump bed, but its growing on me. It is also part of the story of what this truck was 90 yeas ago! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 4:04am
| Nice to see a Real barnfind and it making it to a resto project!! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 6:46am
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Dave, This may not be a frame up resto. May just keep the barn find look, But would like it to start, move, and stop. Even getting to that point will be a new adventure for me. Will be spending a lot more time over on the Ford Barn Forum too. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299341" rel="nofollow - https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299341 Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Steve A
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 7:15am
| Holy Wah! I don't think I could have pulled the wallet out fast enough to buy that one. I've got a '29 Model A pickup, but the AA's are the cat's pajamas in my book. Clean that up, put a set of nice red oak sideboards on the top with your syrup business logo on them. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 7:20am
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Steve, Thanks! It does kind of grow on you even in its current condition! The side boards may be the plan for our business advertising? I was looking at these with a flat bed and I really like that look too! GB Sisson has one with a flat bed on the Ford Barn site and it is sweet! We will see, many moves to make. Off to work on Jim's Doodle Tug! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 10:23am
| Chris, the idea about keeping the truck looking old and doing as little as possible to get it running etc. is interesting. We used to go the the Hershey, Pa. fall show (17 yrs) and they had a class for original vehicles. Always liked to see old vehicles that looked pretty nice but could still be driven. Just keep us up on what ever you do. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 10:42am
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It looksto me like a good cleaning a polishing after it's running would make it a great looking original. Enjoy |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 12:17pm
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It will be interesting to see if a polishing will bring out the blue. They did use good quality paint back then! Hope to be able to see it when we visit in a week+. John
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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 12:21pm
| I think it would fit right in with the vintage vehicles at the Threshers Reunion in Mt Pleasant just as it is |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 7:36pm
| @Sugarmaker; Chris, that truck is BOSS!! I'm amazed when I step back and think that this was state of the art technology when built. Even though it's archaic to us, this is the type of equipment that built this great country. This will be a fun journey. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 9:19pm
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Folks, Wonderful comments! Man, John is going to be here in a week +! I need to get my butt in gear for that visit! Yes I think this might fit in nice at a thrasher men's show, filled with sacks of grain! Also a dirt moving show in Brookville PA sometime. I would like to take the 32 also. I have one son and a grandson on board with the truck, May have to drag the others along through the journey. Much work to do in the shop to be ready for this unit! The 32 should be home next week if all goes well. random picture thrown in of the rear window!  Prepping for tractor pull this weekend, that will take my mind off the truck. Also working with Jim B on his Doodle Tug. He came over and worked on it and fired it up with some gas and sparky applied! Then Matt stopped and we fired it up again! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2021 at 11:43pm
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If it were in MY stable, I would probably give it a careful washing, dump out the coolant and lubricants, add new, turn everything several dozen times to make sure it's alright, clean out the carb and fuel tank, make sure the starter and generator brushes are free, start and run it. Clutch will probably be unhappy from corrosion where the plate has NOT been in contact, and the friction material may be seized to the flywheel too. brakes will be really cruddy inside... need to pull the drums, and give them a gentle visit with sandpaper... And grease every fitting... I wouldn't strip or paint ANYTHING... I'd just clean it up good, and put a coat of wax on every surface to inhibit corrosion. They're only Original ONCE. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 7:00am
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Dave, Folks, That may be very close to the plan for the 32. Cept the engine is stuck, so that may need some additional attention. Question: What should oil look like in a truck that has set for 70 years?? This looks like it was changed yesterday! Clean and clear. Humm?? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 7:24am
| Chris— engine oil that was in my 47’ looked good on the dipstick, pulled the plug and it “plopped” in the pan, very waxy and slow! As to the brakes— figure on replacing everything except the drums, had wheel cylinders sleeved with brass. Ignition system was in the best condition, just a little cleaning on the points. Ignition wires were deteriorated, so needed replaced. Fuel— well just everything, lol! Just for a point a reference— after I had the motor free, checked compression and had a high of 52 psi, (3) of (6) cylinders had no reading. Lots of MM oil and Kroil later, I now have all (6) @ 90 psi. The motor ran with (3) dead cylinders! Best tool I purchased was the hand crank! |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 9:23am
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No need to worry about seized and corroded brake parts on that one. As 'ol Henry used to advertize "solid steel pedal to wheel". All mechanical brake linkage, unless some one has "upgraded" it! |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 10:04am
| personally theres no way i would ever think of repainting that , i would wax rub and clean every thing the best i could , would even wax the rusty stuff |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 8:59pm
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Folks, I have used mechanical brakes on tractors for years, so I can relate to them and they do work! Speaking of I took a shot of the left front: I think HudCo has it about right for the body work. Will be interesting to see if these is some paint under there! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 9:48pm
Agreed! It looks way too cool as-is! Of course it is not our truck, Chris. Haha.
------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
HudCo wrote:Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 6:08am
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John, Thanks! Well right now you guys know just about as much as I do about it. Anyone have magic cleaning methods of old iron other than soap and water?? How is the WD coming along? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 11:27pm
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Folks, The 32 is home!   Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 5:50am
| Looks even better in the daylight. A great find IMO |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 7:23am
| x2. Sure would look good as an original survivor. Interesting that it has a PTO driven hyd. pump in that era. An uncle of mine had a dump trailer that was the back half of an old truck and I thought he told me it was from the mid thirties. Anyway it had a gearbox and crank that dumped the body as it drove a big arc with gear teeth under the body. Dad used it a few times to haul gravel for the barn floor and "let" me crank it. I thought he was doing me a favor at the time. Can't wait to see your progress. Seems like the most recent treasure gets the first work a lot of times. Good luck. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 8:18am
Slowly! I keep running into other things that are more urgent, like the garden at the moment. I have been collecting parts and hope to get some time spent on it this weekend. That is just one sweet truck. I will be following as the rough looking CA I picked up needs the hood cleaned but the rest is not too bad, and I'd like to not have to paint it. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 1:17pm
| Sure does look good for its age |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 1:24pm
| I was looking again and noticed how large today's pickups are compared to the "big truck " '32 on the trailer. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 1:38pm
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You might try a small spot with Simple Green. That stuff is pretty aggressive but don't usually harm the paint. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 9:30pm
Yes this is about 16 feet x 80 inches across the duals. Not a big truck.   Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 9:31pm
John, Thanks might try that Simple Green as a cleaner! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 7:10pm
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Those 750x20 tires are still being made. Most made in China now. Be sure and get new tubes and make sure you get new flaps with the tires. Take a good wire brush on a drill or air grinder and clean up the rings and groves in the rims. I'd love to mount them for you on a cool day. My old supplier is out of the tires, when that happens they take the price down so I cannot get you a current price for the tires. Good luck with the old gal. I'd pull the box and make things a lot easier to get too.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 8:35pm
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Just out of curiosity, do the sell disk brake conversion for something like that? I know they do for lot's of old cars. Get your mask on, those look like real asbestos shoes. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:06am
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Brake Shoes and Clutch discs are not and have never been considered 'Friable Asbestos' where is a component part of the materials but is 'locked in a submatrix of cemented fibrous material'. That comes directly from EPA. Would not even consider changing to modern anything as that truck is pretty well a prize buyers delight being OEM and pretty well intact.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 6:24am
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Folks, I dont know what i dont know yet on this deuce! I did some rework on brake mechanical parts on the right front end. Working on the rear fight now. Ok got the lug nuts off, realized that there are large studs ove small studs that hold the inside rim on the drum. (Sorry I just dont work on these and am still learning). Of course one of the studs turned off with the nut. But I got it apart after the wheel was off. Now to figure out how the drum comes off the keyed axle. Maybe its just tight? I turned the brake adjuster to release the brake shoes. Broke my low cost puller. Humm back to research on these. My guess is its just stuck from 70 years of setting waiting!   Ignition:   Need door striker for drivers side. Going to Snyders Friday so thay may have one ??  Going to pick up new seat springs. Goofy since I havent even started it yet! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 10:36am
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Chris, I finally made it home yesterday, didn't have the password to post on my I pad, so could only read. Thank you so much for taking the time to show us your toys and y(our) shop! All three of us were really impressed, even Jimmy who is not easy to impress. Between the interior of the shop and the Duce, looks like you will have enough to keep you busy the rest of the summer! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 5:13pm
Re the duallies, yes, pretty much standard wheel set up. When you put it back together, a nice thick coat of never-sieze makes the job easier, next time. Remember you have 5 pieces of metal coming together, there...Do fords have LH threads on the left side lug nuts? ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:45pm
| @Sugarmaker; Wow! You're making me rethink ever retiring as I think I get more sleep working than you do retired. LOL! Seriously, I am really enjoying this thread (as I do all of your threads). |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:46pm
| @DiyDave; I think that all Budd type wheels are right hand thread passenger side, left hand thread drivers side. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 8:41pm
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Folks, Yes these are left hand threads on the lug nuts on the left hand side of the truck. trying to get a stout puller for the rear drums. Borrowed one from a friend will try to get the drums off this weekend.   Repaired and reworked this shift lever and added over size pin. Very similar to a WD shifter! Before:  After:  I think I used a 17/64 dia drill that I used for the hole and the pin. A lot less wobble in the shifter. I think socket is worn deeper just like a WD series too. I did not weld the ball on the truck shifter (yet). Sticks just a luttle going from second to third. Have to pull the shifter up just a little in neutral. This spare wheel well is rusted:  Also the passengers side door. Probably had pluged drain holes??  Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 8:48pm
| @Sugarmaker; Are the outer hex nuts 1-1/2" and the inner "barrel" nuts 13/16" square head? |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 12:35pm
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If you can get to the brake adjuster hole, you could try adjusting the bakes all of the way in to get the drum off. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 2:13pm
| The spark plugs look brand new |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2021 at 3:01pm
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Joihn, tadams, These have a external wrenching feature for loosening the brake shoes. It is one of Ford's better ideas! Those are new plugs from NAPA. I would like to use the 70 year old plugs. Got the rear passenger side drum off:  Rebuilt shift lever ball and slot. Just like a WD series tractor!  Over on the Ford barn for this project! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 12:31pm
| Slow and steady and you will have it purring again |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 6:06am
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t, folks, Yes we can not rush this a lot. Aging like a fine wine, we must sip and savor it! Have to find seals for the rear brake drums. Wish me luck. Brakes all look to be in really good shape! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 7:27am
John, Sure was great to have you and your friends visit! Stop in any time your back this way! Folks, Status up date on the 32. Wheels are almost done. Tire shop took the old tires off. In the process the lock rings got stretched. I worked these back into shape. Cleaned the tire portion of the rims, needle scaler, air hammer, light grinding, wire brushing, and the a good coat of Rust-Oleum 2X flat black primer. Exterior of wheels was left alone. Have the 7 new Firestone 6.00-20 tires, new tubes and flaps. Ready for install next Tuesday at tire shop with a cage. Brakes drums removed and right front needed taken apart and repaired. Rear drums needed new grease seals. Done. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 8:46am
| Sounds like progress is being made despite the hot weather. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 9:42am
| Nice to see you are making progress. I say wise move leaving wheel exteriors as is. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 12:14pm
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I'm coming on this post pretty late, but I can tell ya Chris, you're gonna have a ball with that truck!! I had two 29' closed cab AA's over the years. One was 131.5" WB, and the other was a 157" WB. Both AA's had rack bodies on them. Finding a double B is even cooler! Keep them pics comin' like you usually do. Like I said, you're gunna' have a lot of fun with that bugger! Congrat's!! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 6:23am
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T, plummer, Steve, Folks, Most of my documentation is over on the Ford Bard Forum. Some teasers:  Great grandson Cooper:, He gave me a big hug when helping drain the oil yesterday. Have to get this running soon!  Seat material color  Will pick up a set of custom springs from Snyder's today. These are their standard version.  Dang still holds water!!  Underside of rad cap, says EATON. These caps are like hens teeth. 110,000 made, very few left out there! Mine has some dents but some guys have bought whole trucks to get a radiator cap!  Drained 2 gallons of very clear odd smelling stuff from the gas tank last night. Have a shut valve to clean out on the tank bottom. Have crank case filled with some kerosene to soak for a day. May pull the head, and carb, and side cover on engine. I hate to pull the engine, its a very slippery slope!:) Regards, Chri ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 4:50pm
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Folks, Truck is not going to run for a while. Babbit is gone in the center main cap. Will begin engine/ transmission removal for further evaluation. Reminds me a LOT of the last WD45 project. Very slippery slope!:)    Maybe able to use the jib crane for this extraction. Will see how that goes! Brakes are done except for final adjusting of rod lengths and shoe adjusters in each drum. Tires are on and its setting on new rubber:   More things coming apart, not a good sign!:) Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 5:51pm
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You need a pair of them mud flaps with the chrome sexy chick profile on them. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Grayray
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 6:18pm
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" More things coming apart, not a good sign!:) " More things coming apart is not a bad sign, just a sign that the journey will be a little longer. More things coming apart means that the final product will be correct and better than expected. When my son bought a '51 Willys military Jeep, we thought a little paint and a few minor adjustments would be all. Well, 2 1/2 years later and a full frame off restoration and several thousand dollars and the Jeep is better than we hoped for. Well worth the time and effort. I just may have to make a trip up to check it out. I'll have to talk mama into a road trip soon.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2021 at 6:36am
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Grayray, John, Folks, John, Nope no chrome mud flap jewelry on the 32! Ray, Your always welcome to stop at the rehab center! Yes the 32 should be improved when done. My guess would be next summer if I get my butt in gear! Ok it will never be done, just better than it was as you say. The Jeep sounds like a good project too. We need pictures. Would fit right in here. I pulled the engine and transmission from the 32 last night.   Man did that slow moving Dayton Hoist engine leveler, and the jib crane work slick! Almost as if I knew what I was doing. Also a tip of the hat to my Grandson Nic for installing those awesome LED lights on the ceiling! Nice to have a place to work finally! Now what I need is my work bench that is covered in tools and stuff. Would be a great place to work on this engine and tranny to get them apart. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2021 at 9:01am
| At leaast the bed makes a good storage place for parts so they don't get lost. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2021 at 11:45am
t, It sure does! The trans and engine parts may even go in there for a while!   Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2021 at 5:19pm
I see a nice hole that a caddy v-12 would fit in... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 5:26am
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Folks, So I went and bought another Model B engine.  It has its own issues too. So while engine #1 is at the machine shop this #2 engine is being evaluated for a quick fix updates and may be installed in the truck to get the systems functioning and have a moving unit yet this fall. Here we moved the 32 from one area to another. Was a steering and brake test. Those systems functioned ok. Jim, from Bugs & Tugs doing the pulling:  Resting in new spot.  Engine work:  Cracked block from freezing I believe? Brazed and patched. The red is the Magnaflux dye penetrate.    New used radiator:  Seats? Well they have been at the upholstery shop for months. Seems other things are more important than my seats! Oh well all in due time!  Hope things are good in Orange Land! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 1:40pm
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Chris, how can they fix your seats if they are sitting in the truck?lol You are still making good progress, looks like you might have her running on her own power before the snow flies!
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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 3:16pm
| Wow, look at all that room to work around. Too bad that engine has so many issues |
Posted By: BPM75
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2021 at 8:46pm
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Chris, I've been off here for awhile and just came across this post on your truck. My love for old trucks is just as strong as it is for orange tractors Lol. Such a cool find and will definitely be looking forward to seeing more pics and updates on this! ------------- 59 D17 gas nf, 66 XT 190, 69 220. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2021 at 9:25am
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Glad that jib crane is being put to use so much. If I ever build a new shop I will have to make sure I have the concrete to handle one. Would a G fit in the bed of the Ford? That would be pretty sweet to take to shows! Just in case you needed an excuse to get another tractor. Those are quite some cracks in that block. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2021 at 12:46pm
And the G would not take up any floor space if it resides in the dump box. Good idea wjohn on keeping Chis busy and out of trouble. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 6:02am
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Thanks Guys for the new tractor options too! The G is not on the list of Orange units. They just dont do much for me. Have spent hours on one in the hot sun cultivating cabbage. That was 50 years ago! Dang time flies. Friend Matt says he may be able to bore this #2 model B block to .060 over. Might just get it going with a old engine that doesnt seem to want to give up. Or maybe its me that doesnt want to give up? Have this idea that a small flat bed trailer might look neat pulled behind the 32? But for now I will be happy if it could move on its own. Its only be 70 years! The seats are at the shop, that was just a picture i had as I fit them in the cab. Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 6:00am
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Allis folks, Engine is going back together slowly!  Sleeved one cylinder and bored to .100 oversize.  Something for my butt to set on!   Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 6:08am
| Looking good ! Thanks for sharing . |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 2:40pm
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That seat looks great and comfy. Engine will purr before long
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Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 2:44pm
| Progress looks great! .100” oversized pistons =more power, might even gain a few mile an hour! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 8:54pm
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Guys, Thanks wont make the parade Sat morning. Too many moves to make. But unless something bad happens it might run in a month or so?? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 2:32pm
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Maybe by the first of Oct? Looking good in any event. Just think back to a year ago and where the Y(our) shop was at the time! |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 4:50pm
| Making great progress. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2021 at 9:05am
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Man, Chris yer' movin' right along on that bad boy. I failed to mention, my first AA was all stock, but my second AA inherited a 400 sbc. and TH350 tranny. Big trucks need a little more power. That was a fun truck, but it was rough on the spinal cord! Man, how did they drive them damn things back then? I then changed it over to a pickup with new Brookville Roadster frame. A pic of it is on our website. Keep goin' its lookin' great!! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2021 at 6:17pm
| You'll have yours driving before MINE!!!! And I been at it 10 months! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2021 at 5:55am
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Guys, Thanks for checking in on me. It has been a very busy summer. throw a truck project on top of that and I am ready for a nap! I needed a part for the truck and started looking in the vast warehouse for the item. One of those times where you dont throw things away!:) So here is where Allis meets Ford. I needed a alternator tightening bracket for the 32. See if you WD guys recognize this part?  Its is almost too perfect of a fit! Minor tweek and it is now cleaned and painted and installed.  Steve can relate to this custom work to build something out of nothing like a new lower mount for the alternator.fabed from 1/8 strip steel and some Mig work.  Truck is coming along. Have mostly electrical items to complete the primary sparky circuit. Should have compression, Fuel should be ready, just need sparky! Allis tractors heading to the local pulls for Saturday. Getting more and more of them orange WD series tractors showing up and doing pretty well too! Some random shots around the truck:  Adam (son) and Lexy in the 32:   Nic (grandson) on the WZ getting the 32 back in the shed.  Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2021 at 8:18am
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That mount looks like the traction booster link to me. Probably have one or two extra around here, doubt if I'll be able to utilize mine the way you did! |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2021 at 8:40am
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Chris, Looks like you are making good progress on the truck despite all the other work you have to do. Have to say that your good looking son bears more than a slight resemblance to you. Keep us up on your activities. Nice that your shop heat is already for w@nt#er. Russell.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2021 at 9:34pm
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Folks, Russell, Mike, Mike is right on the money on his Allis part moved over to the 32. Tonight was a mile stone! I completed the basic 12 volt starter system which is very similar to a WD series tractor. Included a battery disconnect too. Engine turned over in the truck for the first time in about 70 years. More details to get spark prior to the start up party! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2021 at 10:31pm
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Hiip;, hip, Hooray,,, Hip hip hooray... It is always fun to read about progress on any of the projects on here... Thank you for sharing your successes ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 8:10am
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Exciting stuff, Chris!! ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 7:52am
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AC folks, The 32 runs and drives. Has a cracked block that I have tried to e=seal with K&W block sealer. Fingers crossed on that one. Reminds me of the last WD45 I did! My view from the couch in the shop:  Drove down to neighbors drive:   Grandson Mike tuning on the truck:  Friends and original owner at the start up party:  Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 9:14am
 FANTASTIC Glad to see it up and running again |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 10:07am
| Looks good ! THANKS for sharing . |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 8:50pm
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Guys, https://youtu.be/hWN5CJYTglM" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/hWN5CJYTglM https://youtu.be/uQKTh4jag98" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/uQKTh4jag98 Other than serious oil leak from real of engine (Worn thrust , I believe) It runs pretty good for a 90 year old truck!  Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 8:59pm
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That's a great lookin' old truck, Chris!! Wish it was in my shed! |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 10:19pm
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I watched the videos but I must have missed the part where you did a huge burnout? Ha. That truck is sweet and you must feel great about having it back on the road! ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 12:59am
| bet it's fun to drive! looks good! |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 7:16am
| What a neat old truck. Thanks for the videos; you even have those old turn signals working. It's been enjoyable watching your progress. Is there more you are going to do to the truck or are you ready for another project? Lots of time left till maple syrup season. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 8:59am
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Very nice, always feels great when one of these old things comes back to life. |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 10:09am
| Enjoyed the videos ! THANKS !! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 5:52pm
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Allis folks, Thanks guys! The truck is running good except for bad rear engine oil leak. Several other small projects on it but would like to get moving on the first block. Plan is to get machining work done and new insert style bearings in place, basically a bare short block to be ready to accept all the stuff from this engine. Which would be the .100 over pistons, the valves guides, springs, keepers and adjustable tappets. Along with manifold, carb, fuel pump, distributor, water pump, head, timing cover, and other misc.... A couple more clips: Our Christmas card to you folks!: https://youtu.be/UXCLk0Gdup0" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/UXCLk0Gdup0 https://youtu.be/lsw7Fj82rNo" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/lsw7Fj82rNo Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |