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Topic: Buying a chainsaw- opinions
Posted By: iowallis
Subject: Buying a chainsaw- opinions
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 6:29pm
Right now I have an electric chainsaw and a portable generator that I put in the back of my pickup. Takes care of most of the things I need a chainsaw for, but....have some fence rows on the other side of the creek, partially fallen trees in the woods, and other areas this combination doesn't work.

With Menards and their 11% off this week and it looks like Mills Fleet Farm will have 12% off next week thought it would be a good time to buy. 

Looking at a 14-18" bar and somewhere between $100.00-$170.00. As much as I would like a Stihl the price is a little out of my range for the amount of use it would get.

So looking for opinions on the brands that they both sell-
Craftsman, Poulan, PoulanPro, Jonsered, Troy-Bilt, Husqvarna, and maybe an Echo if it on sale.

Opinions on which one(s) is/are the best, or which ones to stay away from.



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Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 7:04pm
I was going to recommend Stihl 461, would need to open your wallet a little more though. I would not recommend a used saw of any make. Only cheep ones I have ever bought were junk including Dolmar. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for in 2 strokes☹️


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 7:06pm
I have a Stihl, great machine you can't beat them, I also have a Poulan and in all honesty I can't say anything bad about it. They are both real dependable. I had at one time a craftsman, I believe I'd stay away from them.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 7:42pm
i've had good luck with my Echos. have had Homelites, Poulan, B&D, Skil, and (gasp) deere. the deere found an auction early in life. all the Homelites were o-k, but as they got older were a pain to start...lots of pulls. the Skil was an awesum saw, but they quit making them and were hard to find parts for. i still use the B&D's they are battery jobs. i had a tree fall one night, partly on the roadway, wally world was open 24/7, so i went out and bought a new Poulan for $99. had my Echos here, but all needed new chains. i cut the tree back away from the road enough, (0300 AM) and put the saw down, i traded it the next day for another new Echo. got all my money back plus on the Poulan, i sure didn't like that saw. it didn't cut as well as the other Echos i have. and i'll never buy another chain saw from a box store again either. i won a Husqvarna in a contest, it is a good saw, but be prepared to cut awhile cuz they don't run out of fuel like others do time wise, they cut along time on a tank full. whew! BIL has had 3 Craftsman's in the past 5 years, they keep blowing up on him. i'm thinking he's not mixing the gas/oil right or something, they really granade! Stihl was always to pricey for me, plus no dealers around close and local farm stores don't carry bars/chains/parts for them. never buy a used one, and NEVER lone your saw out to anyone! 


Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 7:58pm
We had three stihl's at the farm.two went back to the dealer several times until the warranties ran out. Some fool swiped them we replace with a Poulan rides in the truck and nobody wants it. I have a 35 year old Poulan a 10 year old husquvarna and a 2 year old Chinese saw. Was cheep to buy starts easy runs good with no maintance. It's been a great saw other that the chains that came with it are junk. I still use the Poulan the most it's a top handle light saw with a 16" bar I can use it one handed. You do have to use the Poulan starting technic choke pull once hold the throttle full and pull again. Nurse the choke off. It's been like that since I bought it.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:13pm

Some 35 years ago, I bought a 12" Craftsman that cut an awful lot of wood with me and the boys,,, I never had to do anything to it except 3 or 4 new blades and chains. Great little saw and can be held in one hand. Then a few years after that Craftsman, I bought a Stihl 029 with a 14", Now that saw could tackle anything I wanted to. I still gots both of them but neither been used in 5 years tho,,,,,


Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:27pm
I wouldn't be surprised if all the off brands you mentioned are made in the same factory.  I had a small Sears I bought for less then $100 new back in 1979 when we were in the logging business.  It only lasted a few days as the studs for the bar started pulling out of the housing.  Took it back and got my money back.  Just wanted a small saw to limb with.  It's hard to say who makes Sears these days, back in the old, old days, 50 plus years ago, Sears sold some pretty nice saws.  Two years ago I got a Stihl 160, I think, for around $160.  It is lighter then the standard Stihls but starts and cuts fairly well.  I have a HF cordless that I carry on the wood chipper, it works great cutting branches off so the limbs feed easier.  Runs about as long as the small Stihl on a charge/tank of gas, which is about as long as I want to run a saw anymore at one time!



Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:30pm
Stay away from the big box stores, even if they are selling a saw with a respected brand name, it is a cheaper version of the real thing. Buy from a dealer that services what they sell even if you have to pay more for it. I prefer Stihl because there a a couple of good dealers nearby. You won't find a Stihl in a big box store. I have two 028's that have been super reliable and have also had a tough life.

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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:41pm
I have owned a variety of chainsaw makes. Started with a Homelite XL12 then McCullough 700 then Stihl 026 and 460. Now I have a Stihl 461 Echo CS 490 and 590. I also own a Husqvarna 120 TSC special that I am not impressed with. Overall the Stihl saws are good but expensive. So far the Echo saws have impressed me. Great saws for the money. I cut a lot of firewood every year for both myself and my son as we both have outdoor wood burners.I bought the Echo saws at Blain's Farm Supply but have seen them at Home Depot and Family Farm and Home stores.


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 8:46pm
Echo advertises that all of their saws are professional saws. One item I do not like on the Stihl is the cam lock on the gas and bar and chain oil. Too many times I have had them come open and get my pants and chaps covered with gas or bar and chain oil. The Echo saws have screw in caps.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 9:00pm
No matter what you buy, either run the premade cans of fuel or HITEST gas/quality 2S oil and run it dry after use... Buy a couple plugs while you're buying the saw.

While premix is pricey, it's the correct ratio and FRESH. Actually cheaper in the long run as saw WILL start and run, every time.

Most (all ?) new saws have preset carbs...use once throw away($20) so having good ,clean fuel is very important.

I got rid of 4 saws last year,all 2 stroke jokes....like the electric..starts every time !


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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 9:33pm
I got an old Monkey Wards.  Looks exactly like a Mac.  I had a Mac back in the day and it always worked good for me.  I have a Stihl now and it hasn't let me down except the time I pushed it with the loader!  Broke both handles.  Got them cheap off of the net.  The store I bought it from suggested I buy a different bar and chain, it would make it more aggressive.  It sure did, throws some huge chips.  I think I only paid $199 for it, it's an 017 I think.  I don't think they are that much more now.  It's a 14" saw.  I've cut some trees down that I had to cut on both sides to get all the way thru, and it did the job!


Rural King is a big box store and they sell Stihl, but they are a dealer, so I don't know what their stuff is.


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Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 9:52pm
I like my Echo chain saw.


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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 10:24pm
Dang jay, you would be amazed if and when you saw me mix that wally world 2 stroke stuff with the E 10, 87 gas.  LOL

My ancient little Stihl eats that stuff like candy.





Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 10:37pm
I bought a new Echo over 20 years ago. It has never failed to start even with ethonal gas. Its cut many many pickup loads of wood. Grandson cut a load of dead wood today. It still has the original spark plug. I'll be 71 in Dec. It'll last me the rest of my wood cutting days.


Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 6:31am
I use Pioneer saws. These are a Cdn brand that were made in Peterborough Ont. by Outboard Marine. My favourite saw. Have a dozen or so here. 5 in great working order and rest for parts. Haven’t been made now for 30 years. I like to keep the history going same as with our old tractors. I cut 10 bush cords a year and now help several neighbours as well. They all laughed at me initially but that stopped as soon as they figured out that I was cutting way more than they were. 😀


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 7:54am
If you have a reputable dealer close by, you might want to think of a reconditioned Stihl, Husqvarna or Jonsered saw. Our local New Holland / Massey Ferguson sells a lot of new saws. They are a very good dealer. I would buy a used saw from them.


Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 7:55am
Words of the day: If saw won't run right, check/clean the spark arrestor screen.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 7:56am
Originally posted by klinemar klinemar wrote:

..... One item I do not like on the Stihl is the cam lock on the gas and bar and chain oil. Too many times I have had them come open and get my pants and chaps covered with gas or bar and chain oil...

X2. 

I love me Stihl saw, but I do not like those quarter turn caps !


Posted By: fleeter allis fan
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 11:02am
Like Ed, I also have an old Pioneer, Model P26. It is pretty heavy, so I don't use it much anymore, but it still runs good. They were made between 1976 and 1981, so it is over 40 years old.
My main saw is a Stihl MS250. It has been a good saw and I am very happy with it, although I agree with the comments about the quarter turn gas and oil caps. If you don't get them on correctly, they come loose. 
I recently bought a little Echo CS-271T. It is one of those tiny, top handle jobs that is real light and great for trimming. Only has a 12" blade so you can't get into anything too big, but I really like it for limbing.
I don't think I would go for a cheap off-brand. I am at the point in life where I will pay a bit more and not have to worry about parts or service or warranty. My little Echo has a five year warranty. I doubt if you will find any other brand with five years.


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Posted By: GeneD14
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 12:32pm
I bought my first Stihl in 1979 and I still use it. It's an 045 AV Super.
I also have two Stihl 361's and a Stihl 660. all great saws. For several years I cut a lot of wood because that's all we used for heat up in IN.
The new Stihl cam lock gas caps are stupid.
The Stihl chains are second to none.
I've had great luck with mine and only use Stihl Ultra synthetic 2 stroke oil.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 12:44pm
Guess I'll throw in 2 cents. Just like tractors, can't go wrong with Orange. Stihl, my saw of choice. Husky and Echo make good equipment too. In your 'price-range' I'd go to Mill's when the sale is on and see what they have. They sell Husky, not sure if they have Echo.

On the fuel issue, here's what I do. I buy stihl 2 stroke oil, it has stabilizer in it. I buy the high-grade, no ethanol from BP. Mix up 2&1/2 gallons at a time, never had any get skunky. If it ever got to smelling bad it would go in the GMC and I'd mix a fresh batch.

Had a Poulan Wood-Shark years ago, it was ok. I learned a lot about small two strokes with that thing. Gas had to be fresh.


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 2:22pm
You guys already know I’m partial to stihl but I wanted to point out the reason I recommended the 461. Years ago I cut a lot of wood. Had small saws for the most part starting out, 015, 028, 036, and a 036 pro. One day a guy handed me a 046 and before long I had one, then a 461, 066, 660, and a big 880. It was then I realized that big hp and long bars were much quicker and easier on my back. The light weight medium Hp saws are so much nicer to operate as you don’t need to spend all that time bent over. At 6’ 255 lbs, I generally grab the 660 w/28” or 461w/24” and have a good back when finished. Maybe I’m just getting lazy, but wanted to pass on. When the saws sit idle for long periods, I recommend fogging with “Marine fogger”, will save the crankcase seals from drying out.


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 3:43pm
Video comparing all 3 Echo,Husqvarna and Stihl small saws. https://youtu.be/e7kIyIYUjQQ" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/e7kIyIYUjQQ


Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 5:17pm
I bought a Stihl 170 with a 16" bar back in May 2019 during an event called "Stihl dealer days" for around $150-$170. I think that is a yearly event so maybe if you can wait a few months perhaps that is and option.


Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 6:45pm
IMO, Menards could offer 50% off and I STILL would not buy a gasoline powered ANYTHING from them WinkWink !!


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 8:08pm
Around here, the problem with buying a chainsaw, or anything that might need service for that matter, from the big chain stores is that most don't have in-house service. They tend to farm it out to whoever they can get to do their repair work and most of them take care of their own customers first.
Personally, I will pay more to buy from a local dealer for better service and their own parts department.


Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by BrianC BrianC wrote:

Words of the day: If saw won't run right, check/clean the spark arrestor screen.

Shhhhh! Don't tell them that. I have been able to buy a couple of used trimmers real cheap because of a clogged spark arrestor. Wink


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Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by JTOOL JTOOL wrote:

I bought a Stihl 170 with a 16" bar back in May 2019 during an event called "Stihl dealer days" for around $150-$170. I think that is a yearly event so maybe if you can wait a few months perhaps that is and option.

I stopped at my local Stihl dealer to see what the lowest cost option for Stihl saws, $189.00 and the next option up was $209.00. I asked what the lowest price would be if I waited for something like "Stihl Dealer Days" and he wouldn't commit to saying a price and mentioned that it is usually for select saws, not the whole line. 

Now if I did open my wallet up a little more for the $189.00 saw would I be getting a "cheap" saw because it is the lowest priced Stihl and later regret it? Or spend a little less or the same amount and get a mid-level saw from another company and get a better saw?


Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2021 at 11:36pm
iowallis,

So far, the saw has done all that I wanted. I doubt that it would hold up to actual logging though. LOL.


Posted By: Ron Eggen
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 12:06am
If you read the owners manual on the cheap Poulan saws it says they are designed for 25 hours of casual use !


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 5:23am
I have a shihl Husvarna 2 echos and a Poulenc my neighbor put in my truck after I helped him one day.
I’ve had good luck with all of them.
Years back I had an 031 Stihl that grew legs and ran away. I was working up in Mo and needed a new saw. The little town had nothing for saws. I was headed back to the job site when I saw a pawn shop. I went in and they had a few. I saw an 026 Stihl. I asked the guy what he’d take? He said $100. I bought it right there. I went to the gas station and bought gas and 2 stroke oil. She fired right up and I’ve been using it for years.
My big echo also cost me $100.00
A coworker bought it new and put ethanol in it. It never made 3 cuts. He put it away and next time it wouldn’t run. I bought it took it home dumped the old gas pulled the filter blew it out put it back on and filled with new gas mix. 3rd pull she fired and runs like new.


Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 6:45am
Well Thad, you did not do much to promote the theory that if you throw a lot of money at a product it will be better than a reasonable/good buy.  Wink

Yep i bought my Stihl 017 24 years ago for 85 bucks used.  It is running good as of two days ago.  Confused



Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 9:09am
The MS 170 Stihl is at the upper end of your price-range but that is what I'd go with. Would like to have one to compliment my other saws.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 10:00am
Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

The MS 170 Stihl is at the upper end of your price-range but that is what I'd go with. Would like to have one to compliment my other saws.

Mike you don’t have to buy a saw for that. I think your saws work very hard, they do nice work and they’re very good looking saws.
Please forgive me.🙂


Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:35pm
Of the ones you listed I have owned Poulan, Poulan Pro and Husqvarnia.. Poulan was 30 years ago and was a great saw. Next went with the Pro about 6-7 years ago. What a piece of crap. Had less than 5 hours on it and I gave it away. Went with the Husqvarnia and have been pretty apply with it but did ditch their chain and went with Oregon chains. I do keep a Stihl at the farm and it is the best........but you pay for it.

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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 9:49am
Thanks Thad. This thread has me thinking, I'd like to have another saw, or two. Hopefully, I get the trees under control and don't need so many. Think a Stihl MS261 would be great, something bigger than the 362 would be nice too. Probably just need to take a breath, let the weather warm up, and get back to working on tractors.




Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 10:45am
Anyone use a chainsaw mill on their chainsaw ?

Dusty


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

Thanks Thad. This thread has me thinking, I'd like to have another saw, or two. Hopefully, I get the trees under control and don't need so many. Think a Stihl MS261 would be great, something bigger than the 362 would be nice too. Probably just need to take a breath, let the weather warm up, and get back to working on tractors.



I have 5 and can find a way to justify each.
I haven’t had the big one long and wouldn’t want to run it long but it’s handy when needed


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 1:41pm
Wow! This is a long thread! LOL! I'll simply say that, if you're going to do a lot of wood cutting, then there's only one saw...STIHL! I've tried all of the odd balls and they're just that. My dad used Pioneer chain saws back when and they were great saws, but I prefer the Stihl...gets the job done fast and move along. I was a logger, besides being a clutch rebuilder and a brake guy and would not have anything else...my two cents.   Smile  Rick



Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 2:11pm
Done a lot of milling with Granberg (known down here as Alaskan mill) Dusty. Would always cut nice and true for about 12-14 feet, then no matter how good you kept your chain cutters filed, the cut would start to run off to one side. That was using aluminium ladder or frame to guide every cut too, not just the first cuts. Concluded I just use the Granberg for shorter cuts. Also use a small alu frame with a block of solid aluminium in it that runs parallel with bar just inside cut, and bolts to bar through holes you drill in them. Block is 3/4" x 4". It slides in alu channel that is screwed to 2x6 timber you can fix to the flat of a log after you take one slab off with Granberg. Bar then cuts vertically, the best way. No run off at all then, no matter how long the cut.


Posted By: fleeter allis fan
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Dusty MI Dusty MI wrote:

Anyone use a chainsaw mill on their chainsaw ?

Dusty
I have never used a chainsaw mill, but you can turn out lots of lumber with one of these.





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Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

I'll simply say that, if you're going to do a lot of wood cutting, then there's only one saw...STIHL! 

Mostly fence row stuff that has been growing for 8 years since my dad quit doing it (and has since passed away) and cutting some lower hanging branches that I are coming close to knocking my hat off while mowing.

Went on a road trip today to get some old car parts and stopped at a Stihl dealer in another town. Same prices as my local dealer so I think Stihl must "lock" their prices amongst dealers. Salesman was as uninformative about prices during Dealer Days as my local store also. He did mention that Father's Day is usually good time to buy a saw so maybe they run a special then.


Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 4:52pm
Just go online and buy this then go to your local store to pick it up.  Or if they will ship it to you, you may not have to pay sales tax!  This is the model you want.  My friend has one with a handy dandy just turn and lock the tension on the blade and hates it.  This model has the two nuts that hold it tight.  You can also ask them for the other bar that takes the more aggressive chain.  A few bucks more but well worth it.

https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/chainsaws/7000496?store=18313&source=google&medium=cpc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6uHNpeCc7wIV0ubjBx0YUQvjEAQYASABEgLcsvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds" rel="nofollow - https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/chainsaws/7000496?store=18313&source=google&medium=cpc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6uHNpeCc7wIV0ubjBx0YUQvjEAQYASABEgLcsvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


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Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

Just go online and buy this then go to your local store to pick it up.  

Checked it out.... At my local ACE Hardware store it is not available 

Free Store or Curbside Pickup
Unavailable for pickup at Kramer Hardware - Mason City, IAItem not available nearby
Ship to Home

Unavailable for shipping.

Also the local Stihl dealer is also the Toro dealer and have bought several mowers from them. If I would get a Stihl it probably would be from them. 






Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 6:57pm
Had two stil ms261s at the farm first one went back to dealer twice was hard starting and never did idle. Was warranties both times first time they had for a week and claimed we were letting it idle to long and was loading up. It never did idle. Second time they said it would be a month before we'd get it back. Bought a second saw that day. It worked great from day one. Always started right away idled and ran great. 4 months later we got the first saw back. Dealer said out of warranties. Showed the receipt for drop off was still in warranty so got it back still hard to start and ran poorly. Someone borrowed both saws out of the shop to never return. Don't have any idea who. Replaced with a box store Poulan you can get 5 of them for the price of one stil. Gets left in the farm truck or sitting out on the 4 wheeler hasnt walked away and we can buy 9 more for what the one good stil cost.


Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 6:21pm
Decided on the Echo at Mills Fleet farm. With the 12% off it brought it down to the top of my price range. Went to the store after church and there were none on the shelves. Guess people had the same idea I did. Walked around the area for a bit trying to find somebody to ask to see if they had more in stock/in back but it was a ghost town. 

Sadly, since they dropped the "Mills" from Mills Fleet Farm it has become more like WalMart in trying to find someone to help you. 

Checked online and it said they have some available at that store so maybe go back during the week and check. Really don't want to buy online then store pickup if I can't hold it in my hands before buying.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2021 at 12:00am
First and foremost... it makes absolutely no difference WHAT chainsaw you get, if it doesn't get clean, fresh fuel, quality oil, a judicious cleaning after each use, several sharp chains, and regular attention to the bar's working edge.

Second... a cheap, junky chainsaw will cut through a tree just like a quality one... the quality one will just last longer, and be more serviceable, more durable, and will have good support for longer.

Next:  Having a saw that is too big, or too small, is usually the worst, and most dangerous circumstance.  Too big when you're trying to cut through close-quarters brush, or clear a fence is clumsy and tiring, while trying to fell a large tree with one small saw is downright suicidal.  Running a really short bar is handy for up-close and small stuff, running a really long bar is for felling, clearing big limbs and trunks.  Running a short bar on a bigh powerhead isn't a problem, but running a big bar on a small powerhead is not a good idea, as it takes engine power to pull a long chain through a fat trunk.

A small saw runs a small chain, a big saw runs a big chain.  My MS170 has a.043 Pico chain with 3/8" link pitch, my MS880 runs a .404 with 0.063 groove.  All my other saws run a 0.050" groove 3/8" pitch chain.  The narrow 'pico'chain cuts a narrower kerf, which is to allow a smaller engine to make a faster cut, because it's ripping out less material.  My Stihl MS180 came originally with the .043 Pico chain, when I replaced the bar and chain with a 0.050" 3/8 combination from a larger Stihl, I was told by many that it 'wouldn't work', and that the MS180 was 'not strong enough' to pull that chain and bar, but they were all very much wrong (more on this later), but going to that 0.050 increased neighborhood availablility for a compatible chain, which is important to having sharp chains on hand at all times.  (that, and a chain sharpener!!)

Finally:  Having several saws on-ready-hand ALWAYS beats walking onto a job with just one saw... because when the one you have runs into difficulty, your forward progress STOPS... but grabbing the backup saw gets you back on track.

Big box stores mostly source what they call 'consumer grade' saws from brand-engineered manufacturers.  'Consumer Grade' means they sell it off the shelf, it gets used a time or three, then sits on a shelf for four five years before someone tries to fire it up, it doesn't start, they take it to a small engine shop, and get a repair estimate of more than it cost new just to give it a carb and fuel line, so it gets thrown out.  With so much stuff coming from Asia, you can now buy twelve practically identical saws, with twelve different names... they're all dirt cheap, and they all share some very common weaknesses in workmanship and quality control.

What makes a 'professional' grade saw?  One of the first things, is a metal crankcase.  Most big-box brands have plastic crankcases.  They get brittle in the cold, then crack, which causes a vacuum leak, and they won't run.  Cheap saws have cheap crankshaft seals, the same problem.  Lots of other little issues that the professional world (Arborists and tree services) simply don't tolerate.

Brands...  The manufacturers of professional grade saws have been identified... Stihl, Husky, Echo...  Jonsered (Sweden),  Dolmar (Germany) Shindaiwa (Japan) EFCO (Italy)  all have some really good stuff... and the clue you'll find, is that they're most frequently sold and serviced through lawn and garden shops of professional service companies, rather than 'big box' outfits.

Someone mentioned 'don't buy used'... I have a Stihl MS170, Stihl MS180, Stihl 026, Stihl 029, Stihl 034AV Super, a Stihl 046, and a Stihl MS880... a Shindaiwa 575, an Echo CS310, a John-Deere (made by SOLO), and a 40ish cc Ryobi.  I DON'T own any top-handle climbing saws, but my next saw WILL be a tiny top-handle.  NONE of them were purchased by me, 'new'.  Most used, some were free, on account that they 'didn't work anymore'.  The MS170 (yes, it's the lowest price level on Stihl's lineup) took an hour to clean up.

As I noted above, maintenance is a key reason for a saw to 'not' work right.  Plugged up spark arrestor, plugged up air filter, fuel pickup full of sawdust, fuel line cracked from exposure to ethanol or additives, carb impulse pump  inlet screen obstructed by sawdust or fuel plaque...  Cheap two-cycle oil grants no favors... I use a 1-gallon can and the Stihl Ultra small bottles, which assures that I get the right volume for a 4-quart jug.

I always look up the various performance modifications indentified for a saw.  My MS180 was supposed to be a weakling (hence the PICCO blade suggestion), but with the muffler flow improvement, the carb adjustment screw limiters removed, mixture readjusted, and timing advanced about 4 degrees with an offset key, a sharp blade and good fuel, and it is one tree-hungry machine.  Rightfully so, yeah, it WAS a pooch prior to the mods, afterwards, it pulls chain like a boss... starts on first pull after the pop.  Unlike the MS170, My MS180E has a no-tools bar/chain feature. i can adjust chain tension with a quick half-twist of the hand lock, turn the chain adjust thumbwheel, and snug the hand lock, and be back on biz in moments.  Easy to remove the chain and/or bar for a quick turnaround, too.

Regardless of WHAT you get, plan on reading lots about that particular saw... plan on cleaning it, sharpening the chain, dumping out the unusued fuel after each use, using a high-test non-ethanol source with some quality 2-stroke oil, keep the chain sharp, and clean it up when you're done.


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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2021 at 1:18am
i bought an Echo years ago, was new but on an estate sale, think it is a 660 size or so, i chunked 2 big trees up with it and then i had rotator cuff problems, not from running a chain saw, but from another doings. i couldn't run that Echo anymore for quite awhile, and i soon forgot about it sitting in the shed. i'm sure the gas in it is something nasty and it'll prolly hafta go somewhere to get cleaned up inside. it's only cut 4-5 trees in the 20 sum years i and the previous owner had it! where is the screen ya'll are talking about? plus...i'm sure it'll be for sale soon. think it has an 18-20 inch bar


Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2021 at 6:38am
pull the filter outa the tank and replace it.

If that won't do it try knocking the carb apart and checking the diaphragms and the little screen that lets fuel go from one side of the carb to the other, or just buy one on line for a few bucks.


Posted By: fleeter allis fan
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 2:06pm
Maybe one of these would work.



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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 4:03pm
Personally Im kinda bias towards these saws but I’m probably the only Allis Chalmers fan on this forum . Don’t hate me.




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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 9:24pm
The saw I get the most use out of is my old USA made Poulan. It's a 2300 CVA. The CVA is a top handle lightweight saw. I took the 20" bar off and put a 16" in its place. Since 1986 I've replaced the spark plug fuel line and filter, air filter and a few chains.


Posted By: BillinAlberta
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 10:58pm
Lots of different saws running for you guys.
  I got a McCulloch for my 12th birthday in 1966 (different times and dad thought he was being kind to me by buying me a lighter saw).I kept the house stocked with wood till college in 1974.Filled a 16 by 20 woodshed every year with poplar windfalls  and cutline slash .I can't take all the credit for filling that woodshed. I had a little brother who helped a lot.
   Bought a brand new XL76 Homelite and cut firewood to help pay tuition and room and board through till graduation then used it lighter till buying my first farm in '81.It was pretty worn out so after babying it till the next year I splurged and borrowed the money for a D17 tractor and a Husqvarna 16 inch "limbing saw"  .That little saw ran a heck of a lot from 82 until my 60th birthday when my wife bought me a Husqvarna Rancher. Sure like the extra length of bar(18 inch).
    
     




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