steel building homes
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Topic: steel building homes
Posted By: tomNE
Subject: steel building homes
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 1:05am
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give me the good and bad and ugly! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 2:48am
| that's what we're gonna build if we build new. can puts LOTS of insulation in them, plus hydronic floor heat works well in them. open floor plan, can build short walls and change room sizes when ever ya want. low maintiance, others will chirp in. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 2:48am
| i thought you was living in the south now? |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 7:10am
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Been researching same here. Can have a Red Iron Shop/House Building up and standing on concrete for what would have in a small frame house as to costs. Can then frame out interior on my time frame or hold until lumber pricing does drop. Steel is not wind proof, although siding is more easily replaced or repaired. Sealing windows or doors can be some problematic as steel shrinks and swells more than wood to ambient temps. HAVE to vapor barrier the interior from the outside sheathing or will sweat just as barns do. Have to use the under sheathing insulation and MAKE CERTAIN no air leaks between that insulation and roofing or will sweat and appear as roof leaks or put the roofing over 5/8 t&g sheeting with a vapor barrier skin. Commercial Skin is different than barn steel, heavier rib, thicker(Not by Much) skin so less apt to fold back in strong wind, is secured the Old Way on top of Ribs not in valleys as barn tin is done now. Not many flashing products available for the Commercial Grade other than Commercial ventilation products. Have to be industrious and inventive for Insulation products to make the building R value high enough for a Home Purpose. Have a plan at a Architect currently, he is toying with it where want to construct Conventional Frame and steel skin it(Barn Grade) house. Want Steel roof, steel siding over Wrapped sheathing, wrap around porch roof to keep window and door openings Under Cover so if do get sealant breaks will not water intrude. MINIMAL roof Penetrations, route plumbing vents to single or at most Two stacks, set a wood stove Flue prior to roofing so is incorporated into roof seal. Architect is writing up all the required fittings as available for use on the build.
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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 7:40am
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Dave have you looked into spray foam insulation? Used in homes and buildings both If your sewer vents and flue went out the sidewall the roof wouldn't need any vent stacks, new water heater and furnace vent through sidewall as well. ------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 7:57am
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Last summer I saw a home that was built using a large used steel grain bin.
It sure had an open floor.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 8:56am
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For Waste Line codes in MO(That are being spread into nearly every county) vents have to exit thru the roof. Can put out thru a side wall of an eave but then has to be 18-24" above roof height at that point to just be legal and that is variable county to county. Standard plumbing code for our adjoining counties is thru the Roof to decrease chance of freeze seal. Spray Foam is what we used here in this house. Are getting strange Enviro hits on released chemicals from the foam over time even as solidified. Would still have to sheath and vapor barrier inside to spray foam on as a friend did a game room building and the steel sheathing rusted thru in pinholes everywhere(Galvalume) as did just direct apply. Has had to strip exterior and start over.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:24am
| When I built my house I had 1" of spray foam on outside wall then r-19 insulation then plastic then drywall. I has worked verywell. The resone for R-19 was I had already bought it to cover my basement floor to keep it from freezing the first winter without insulation . |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:58am
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Work with a contractor who built 4 steel built homes in early 2000s . Fire resistant as nothing to burn . Also believe rafters were on 4 foot centers so no need for header over doors or windows smaller than 4 foot. Bad ; need blocking around door frames , for cabinets and anywhere trim or base is set. In the end contractor decided too much trouble and went back to stick framing ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 10:58am
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shameless; we just snowbird in AZ; live the other 8 months in Nebraska! I don't think i will get into the retro fitting of a grain bin or doing my own design. The company i deal with must be big enuff to have blue prints available, then sends only what i need to build the house to a builder with experience on building steel building houses! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 1:30pm
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My barn has leaked like a sieve. Probably shoddy construction. Anyhow, I know a couple of metal buildings close by that are being lived in.
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 5:28pm
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They now have metal with a moisture Barkley laminated to the back side. We’ve built a couple. They have a metal building company build the building then we come close it in and build the interior. One in particular had 12’ walks but we built the inside with 8’ walls and a loft over the entire thing. Had a ton of storage up there and they insulated that ceiling. Those folks are quite happy with that one. Very efficient. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 9:57pm
| There are several here. If I ever need to build a new house, it will be a steel frame building with an apartment inside. I was very suprized, I used to have a customer come in the tire shop. The man had so little common sense, I always thought he would have trouble unlocking his car door. He put up one and had an apartment built inside, spray foamed it with 2" of solid foam. Sheet rocked over the foam. Had a 2 car garage on the north end along with a place to keep his tractor and a few pieces of equipment. I had to go out and fix a rear tire on his WD45. His wife took me inside, it was beautiful inside. One wall,8' tall was lined from top to bottom with trophies, bull riding, bare back riding, team roping, etc. And here's me thinking he'd have trouble coiling his rope. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:16pm
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RUST!!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:23pm
| Most all steel buildings do not generate much rust or corrosion, encapsulated they remain contaminant limited and not much chews on them to cause rust. |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 10:14pm
| Since alot of people just had a little taste of cold weather, one thing I will say is on a friends office area they built connected to the shop so they didn't use up shop space. Someone wasn't thinking and they put some water pipes in the north wall anyway a few winters back one cold spell they had frozen pipes. I don't know if it was pex just guessing because nothing broke. Part of the problem also is the wainscoting on the outside looks nice but it is another seam for cold air to blow in. When you look at what some of those guys have done with shop offices/lunch rooms it is easy to say I could live in that. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 11:01pm
one example....... ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 11:08pm
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steve; not a design i would want but this is a picture of the kind of building that i wanted to know about! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 8:33am
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what kind of layout were your thinking ? Big garage attached, or BIG BARN size ? Less house, more house ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 8:58am
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Building a building like that when your young is great but as you get older the stairs can become a problem. Where and attached home and garage-shop is more convenient |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 11:16am
For years I preached how much less expensive it was to build a two story house with reduced foundation and roof costs. Now, as I am older, I wouldn't even consider a two story and I am thinking of changing some of my entry steps to ramps. My grandson currently has a broken leg. It makes me realize what a problem steps can be.
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tadams(OH) wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 12:12pm
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i have a single story house with attached garage for most work.. Figured that out 40 years ago... Dont want a 2 story, but if i had one, i would make sure main bedroom / kitchen / living room / laundry were all on the first floor... Upstairs could be long term storage, 2-3 bedrooms for kids when the visit , extra TV room, etc.. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 2:02pm
| Current place is two BR Upstairs at Grade level, two steps in from Garage or off front porch. Laundry, Pantry, TV room, Kitchen, Most of daily life supplies all on that level. Basement has two BR, large sitting area/TV room just as Upstairs, utility runs in a long corridor along face wall of basement and some storage. Knees no longer enjoy steps but make the effort for now. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 4:57pm
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no stairs; something like a 3 bedroom 2 bath with oversized 3 car garage. front to the east so an overhang on that side. ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 6:30pm
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2021 at 10:28pm
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this is alot closer to what i want! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 7:07am
| I have always wanted a nice heated shop with living quarters in it. My only reservation (other than lack of money) is that if your shop burns down, so does your house, and if your house burns down, so does your shop. If I ever could afford one, I probably wouldn't let that qualm stop me from doing so though. Darrel |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 7:57am
| A steel building seem like that would be less likely to happen if you used steel studs than with a wooden pole building. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 3:50pm
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my theory is to avoid wood, where ever possible! \ ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 8:16pm
| there are companies that are building steel framed homes that look like any other house around. some include steel studs, some don't . we are looking at a "T" style, living T'd off a machinery type shed that is taller than the house part. with the steel wall inside the divided buildings, it creates a fire wall. aside from the heated floor, sewer pipes, other plumbing, and electrical, the old lady....oooops....i mean the loving wife and myself plan on finishing the interior ourselves. we have built our own bath and kitchen cabinets ourselves in the house we currantly live in. we also want knotty pine for walls, and unsure what the ceiling will be yet. there is a reason for the larger machine/garage area that i won't address at this time. having never had a garage before, it'll be a welcome site to be able to walk from the vehicle to the house in a dry non windy area. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 1:32am
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I would also lean toward the 'T' type building! we stay in a nice simple house in arizona that has plenty of room. A lot better then the townhouse we moved into, when we sold the farm acreage! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: Kurzy
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:33am
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Howdy All, We just built house , shop and pole shed. We wanted steel too but after buying a bundle which is complete framing for a house, they had the price so high and you had to put it up yet! Full payment up front and wait for delivery. Some waited over a year! So we got wood. They have told us takes two years for new construction to dry out. It better hurry! Once it gets cold doors start to get tight. We been told the wood is not dried like it used to be! So I think there is problems on both sides. Thanks Kurzy
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 10:46am
 Look out world Shammers is going to put the "pretty machine" in the garage. No going outside to refuel or adjust the throttle when he gets done.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 10:29pm
| there is a neighbor that just put up his pole barn house, from Google Earth it appears just a regular rectangler building...prolly 50x80 in size. they took out a permit for it for $246,000. it's a Cleary building, i see lots of concrete around it. dunno if the house part is 2 story or not. it better be awful danged fancy for that amount of money! whew! |
Posted By: Ambassaduss
Date Posted: 06 May 2021 at 3:27am
| I understand you; my grandfather says the same thing. He was born and raised in the village; his parents had a farm and land. But by chance, he stayed after studies to work in the city, met my grandmother. They got married, bought an apartment. They went on vacation to the village while grandpa's parents were still alive. But after they died, his brothers insisted on selling the house and splitting the money. He often says now how sorry he is that he didn't buy a home in the suburbs instead of a city apartment. My parents and I are worried about him, and we decided to build him a small house outside the city with our everyday savings. There is an old abandoned cottage on the property we bought, and we would like to consult with http://https://senwood.co.uk/london-refurbishment/?lang=zh-hant" rel="nofollow - London Refurb if it is possible to restore it. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 06 May 2021 at 6:53am
Not sure where Tom ended up with his steel building/ home? I am very happy with my wooden shop building that I think could pretty easily be a home also. I like steel too. But in my case I have other buildings close by and wanted a different look. So mine is a blend of post and beam construction, OSB and house wrap, vinyl and hemlock exterior and shingle roof. All the things Tom is not looking for. But sometimes a different perspective can help us to make decisions about our own projects. I am actyally doing a lot of steel on the inside of the shop. And as I do that I am becoming more comfortable with working with that material too. Hope Ambassaduss builds a nice home for their grandfather too! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 May 2021 at 6:24pm
| With the current lumber prices Red Iron structure buildings are going up all around our area, most as Bardominiums where the House is at one end and the rest is barn/workshop/storage. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2022 at 3:44pm
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For any new construction I would absolutely go with water heat in the floor. I first saw it done back in the early 60s (it was the new firehouse being built) no matter what the weather was as soon as the bay doors came down it was warm inside again. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2022 at 5:11pm
| Get Concrete Warm over an insulated barrier and it will REMAIN Warm with the Doors Opened then closed. |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2022 at 7:29pm
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The shop I work at has heated floors. Make your feet sweat at 10 degrees. It's comfortable. Gets cold when a dumbass doesn't shut the fking door but otherwise, it's good.
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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2022 at 12:18pm
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Heated floors are the cats meow in any building!!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 1:05pm
| Speaking of steel buildings, does anyone remember Lustron that made enameled steel panels after WWII? They were, as I remember, based in Columbus, Ohio on 5th Avenue in part of the old Curtiss - Wright aircraft factory and supplied material for White Castle Hamburger buildings, some gas stations and houses. There are still a few of the homes around here. Steel houses are not a new invention. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2022 at 1:36pm
| Is one belongs to Stone Hill Winery, sits a few hundred feet from Hermann USPS office, looks as made similar to old Gas Station Panels but all are fit well, even the roof is steel. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2022 at 5:50am
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We’ve built a couple homes with radiant heat on the subfloor. The subfloor is 1 1/4” thick. It has a groove ringing through it and a thin aluminum sheet covering the entire sheet and pressed down in the grooves. You send the company your building plan and they make the subfloor to fit your plan. Each piece has to go in the correct spot. As the water warms the aluminum sheet it transfers the heat between the water lines. Last one we did was about 2010 or so. $225.00 per sheet for that subfloor. |