Ford Cam Phasers?
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Topic: Ford Cam Phasers?
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Ford Cam Phasers?
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 8:23pm
| is/are these something that can be tackled in a "driveway"/weekend type of repair if changed out before "critical failure"? Thanks |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 8:40pm
| i'd use a garage |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 8:53pm
Not according to scotty...  And don't set the phasers to overload! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
FREEDGUY wrote:Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2020 at 11:58pm
| Ford mechanics in the shop used to pull the whole front end off the trucks just to replace them. I don't know if it is necessary but they claimed it made it a whole lot easier. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 5:22am
I think "stun" will be the default setting in either case 
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 5:31am
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yeesh... one comercial 'bodge'.... https://www.wmsracing.com/wms/wms-camphaser.php" rel="nofollow - https://www.wmsracing.com/wms/wms-camphaser.php seems there's 2 skools of thought.... replace the faulty parts(lots of them) or... install a few 'wedges', then 'tweak' the computer.... frankly if I was going to the PITA WORK to 'replace' the phasers, I'd just replace the whole (*((%^*& engine with a none 'phasered' version. wonder what a shop charges for the labour/time/parts ?? Might be cheaper to buy a new ride ?? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 6:11am
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In my opinion it already is a 'critical failure'. I wouldn't screw with it. Phaser and chain and guide replacement is about 10 hours and deal with the debris in the engine already that you are not likely to get out plus other unknowns. Another engine long block about 19 hours.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 6:21am
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Intended failure, planned obsolescence. Ex Coworker decided to fix his own, Third Time INTO the engine he gave up, had entire machine hauled to junkyard.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 8:20am
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yeesh 10 to 19 Hours ! Up here they charge a MINIMUM of 100 canucks per hour, plus 13% for the guvs.... I know I can swap in a good engine for the bad in less than 10....providing nuts and bolts come out..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 8:33am
| Yep, phasers set to stun |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 8:48am
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You thought changing a spark plug was a major operation... so NO, i would not attempt to change out the phasers or chains or adjusters. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 1:38am
| is it just noise? maybe just another something to get used to? or does it make the engine not run well? |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:04am
| Yes and Yes shameless, to get the engines to meet emissions levels these designed systems have to be operating at peak performance so when do get sloppy the engines are noisy and run like crap IF run at all. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:49am
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Talked to the guy next door as he KNOWS trucks..... he said to get rid of the 'engineered' 5.4, put ANY 'normal' engine in the truck IF the ride is rust free... All them engines WILL handgrenade, only a matter of time. While technically is sounds good on paper, mechanically, in the REAL WORLD, they don't work. A well documented problem. I love the 10 wedges to 'fix' the problem.Man ,wish I'd thought of that ! $10 of metal with huge profits..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 8:43am
Snotty, Captain Jerk, and Spot can get rid of them pesky Klingons down stairs also ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:24pm
Yes Shame, it's intermittent "top end" rattle, for the most part, engine runs smooth, just that hideous "click-click-click" at initial start-up
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:28pm
Thank you for keeping track of my past posts
(seriously) !! I was afraid that this repair was "above my pay scale"  |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:31pm
Well always green , thanks for nothing
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Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 5:35pm
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Also watch our for Klingon's around Uranus! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 7:57pm
| yet another "better idea" from ferd! |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 1:39am
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What year is the engine? The phasers didn't get used until around 2002. I helped change the timing chains on my friends titan. His was early enough that it didn't have the phasers. That was good because aftermarket ones are junk and the ones from ford are very expensive. It would have drove the cost of parts up so high that it wouldn't have been worth it. Rest of the job was pretty standard. Couldn't screw the timing up because of all the marks on the chains and sprockets. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 8:16am
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Sorry FREEDGUY but ... but Klingons used blasters, more durable. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 8:43am
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the early 5.4 motor from 1997 - 2004 had 2 valves per cylinder and no Variable Cam Timing ( phasers)... The 2005 had 3 valves per cylinder and VCTs... that lasted till the last of the 5.4 motors which i think was 2010. The motor was then replaced by either a 5.0 V8 or a Turbocharged 3.5 V6. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 11:51am
So.....if you wear striped underwear.....is that like a cloaking device? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 5:23pm
It's an '05 model with 181,000 miles . I run conventional 5W20 oil in it due to the "consumption" of 2 quarts/4000 mile oil change interval
. I took possession of it with 118,000 miles on it 4 years ago  . Thanks for your input !! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 5:28pm
I'll give you KUDO's for knowing your "TREK" terminology, but you fail as constructive input on "this" forum
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 5:31pm
And YOU NEVER have any good input
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 11:38pm
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I can say flat rate on phasers is 12 hrs. They are a half days work for me. No reason to take the front off the truck, or even drain the coolant. With the fan and shroud out there’s almost enough room to sit between the radiator and engine to work on it. The phasers fail because people don’t change oil like they should. Before you go through the trouble to replace them with the chains and tensioners, pull a valve cover and look at the cam journals. If they’re scuffed, you’re better off putting a long block in. Chances are high that the engine won’t have enough oil pressure to keep the chains tight and it will jump time. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 7:40am
Ask me if I care! |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 6:29pm
I dont care what FREDGUY says, that was a good one! ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 9:02pm
You know? I don’t care what FREEDGUY says either! Man. There we go not providing input to his post. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 4:46am
I have no doubt that y'all are in the majority, unless freedy is countin the votes... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |