Seed Corn $$
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Topic: Seed Corn $$
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Seed Corn $$
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 5:16pm
It's always been a "fact of life" that even before the grain dryers are turned off in the fall, seed salesmen come beating on the door for next springs input  . Their big "push" is pre-order to get the BEST "discount" before March  . Have any of you NOT pre-ordered and went to your supplier in early April to buy your seed and got it cheaper than if you would have pre-paid ??
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 5:43am
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I've found very little difference in price if any. Maybe a larger farmer would see a big difference. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 6:48am
| My seed source is roughly 12-15% cheaper if you preorder, but only if you pay for it by December. There's sort of a sliding scale of decreasing discounts as the months go by after that. In fact, I'll be ordering tonight. (They don't hold you to this order, it's just to give them an idea of what's going on) |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 7:47am
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Tbone95 wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 8:10am
Hmmph! Well, I don't. I guess if I whined and pouted and stomped my foot and said pack it I'll buy it somewhere else....they might hold the price. For that year. Then a great relationship I've built with my seed guy, who's dad was friends with my dad, who let's me borrow a tractor when I'm desperate, who has been a fantastic help in so many ways, would be destroyed. Oh well. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 5:39pm
Lonn, Thank you for that reply, and that's EXACTLY what I figured was going on  .Tbone, your missing the point of my ??? And sadly, the only one that "makes out" is your dealer
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 6:53am
Oh please. Missed your point, I'm about sure. Just because my comment isn't what you wanted to hear doesn't mean I missed your so awesomely nuanced point.  I've gotten more help from this guy and friend and neighbor and fellow farmer than a few dollars on seed. THAT'S MY POINT. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 6:57am
| I've gotten substitutions, small additions, that type of things, a few bags worth, at the "preorder price" in May while planting. I've gotten more expensive substitutions for the pre order price of the original cheaper product. Me nor anyone else is trying to score the whole farm seed order in that way. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 9:35am
TBONE..... ...........some people just dont GET IT.------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 7:30pm
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Some posts are just long, slow train wrecks waiting to happen, you just have to hang around long enough. It seems a lot of them have two ?? in the title. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 12:29am
| if i paid for the next years seed before hand, i got a pretty good discount, but it had to be paid for before the end of the year. |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 9:07pm
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The seed company I sell for wants us to start in August and it does give the best overall discount. Each month on the 15th the discount decreases from now until spring. Different companies have different rules to go by on pricing. For us whatever you lock in now by ordering or paying is still good come April or May if you change quantity up. Otherwise about the only thing I can do next spring to get the total cost down is to try and throw in some free "marketing" bags. This is from a family owned seed corn company that still has their own breeding program and isn't owned by any of the big companies. ------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 8:07am
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? What is selling price of seed corn now? Curious! When I came out of the service in the mid 60's I worked behind the counter at the local exchange and during the seed corn booking, come to think of it, I don't remember what the price was then. ------------- |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 9:17am
Well, that's a very complicated question!  All depends on what you want. It's like asking what does a tool cost, or what does a "car" cost. Maybe some small companies offer stuff much cheaper, but figure $200 per bag and up. WAY up! |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2020 at 9:27pm
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Knocking on $300 some less some more, each number is a little different depending on what traits its stacked with and if its a new release or been around for a few years. ------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 5:55am
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OK, I gotta ask... how many stalks of corn does a bag( bushel ??) make ? Or area ( 1 bu per acre). I know varies with soil and type(cow vs sweet) but just curious..... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 6:39am
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jay, there are 80,000 kernels in a bag. Personally, I plant 33,500 seeds per acre and the seed I buy generally costs in the $260-$285 ball park. So roughly $120 per acre in seed. Add to that: Fertilizer, Spray, Fuel, rent/taxes, … A good year of yield for me and my area is 175 - 180 bushels per acre. Hard to get much more here but possible. Very easy to get less. Much less. 180 bushels x $3.25 = $585 gross per acre. Last year, corn would NOT dry down in the field something terrible, and that dockage or drying cost pushed me to negative returns. Go down to the "I-states" area, and those numbers can nearly double. But also so do the fertilizer inputs and LAND CO$T$!!! |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 8:09am
,,,and don't forget---your labor! ------------- |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 8:26am
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thanks for the 'numbers'... now a followup question... is there some reason you don't save corn for seeding next year ? When I had teh GleanerA , I'd save all the rye and plant as next year's Winter cover crop. Sounds like corn seed is $$$, so to reduce 'input costs' can't you use yours ?? curious.. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 8:37am
Two reasons why you don't: 1. The seeds we plant are the seeds from a plant Hybrid. If you were to plant the product corn of that, it wouldn't grow a plant like the plant it came from, so your characteristics and traits would not be a controlled thing. Usually don't produce well. Plus, seed corn needs to be very carefully dried, and harvested and handled in such a way to preserve the germ area where it attaches to the cob. Lots of damage occurs to this stuff when handled like the massive bulk of corn is handled. 2. "Most" seed corn you now sign a technology agreement that forbids this practice. Roundup Ready, BT, Liberty Link, etc. traits are patented, the patents are owned by the big companies (DuPont, Bayer, Etc.), you literally have a license agreement to use their seed, but not to produce for seed. They can audit you, can detect what you've done, and can be BIG trouble if you get caught. More so with soybeans, because they will produce when seeded, so more tempting to do so. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 8:38am
HA!!! My boss doesn't pay much for my labor. 
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2020 at 11:05am
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interesting about the corn and seeds ... ... BTW, I always thought farming was a labour of love...... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |