Heck of a deal??? Maybe
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Topic: Heck of a deal??? Maybe
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Subject: Heck of a deal??? Maybe
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 4:10pm
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A coworker bought an Echo CS590 chainsaw. Used it one time. Now it won’t start. He was mad at and sold it to me. Says it hasn’t sat long. Gas smells good. It’s getting gas. Any guesses?? It looks like brand new. I gave him $100.00 |
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 5:35pm
| Check the plug for foul then check for compression, did the gas smell like gas or mixed fuel? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 6:58pm
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OH Gosh,,Thad,,,Lets not be alarmists yet,,,so,,Lets hope this one works out in your favor. Could be any number of things. Like ole Dave says,, could be a bad spark plug or a bad coil,,I've seen both even with almost new small engines. China just doesn't yet have a good track record with the magnetos/coils for the small engines, I know for a fact. One of the best buys I made was a "Coil Tester" that you insert between the spark plug and the spark plug wire. Pull the rope and if coil is good, you can see the spark flash in the little window. If no spark, check the on/off switch, those are notorious for going to ground. If you don't have a spark checker,,,,you might have ole "little ??" (can't remember his name),,have him hold onto the coil wire while you pull the rope for a sure test,,,,,,  (don't tell him I said to try this method) Let's hope the PO knew to mix oil in the gas if a 2 stroke as it will not take more than bout 5 minutes of run time before the cylinder is cooked. My fingers are crossed on this one,,,,
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 7:12pm
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I can’t seem to get lil Vernon to grab or do anything any more. He’s acquired some sort of trust issues for some reason. Took it to the shop. Pulled the plug. It was soaked. Used the ole ground the plug method and it has spark but blue and weak. It actually ignited gas that the piston squirted out the plug hole. Tried a used plug from a different saw with no luck. Still on its first tank of gas. Gonna dump it and start fresh tomorrow. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 7:18pm
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gas ?? no should be a 2stroke joke right ?? be sure to mix proper ratio !! if the cap say 40:1 mix 40 to 1 NOT 30:1, 55:1, eyeball amount.... Might be worth the cost to buy the proper premixed fuel (hitest + oil) ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 8:25pm
| Couldn’t take it. I went back to the shop. Dumped the gas. Blew out the tank until dry. Pulled the fuel filter and cleaned. Blew air in fuel line from a distance. Pulled the plug and blew air in cylinder. Cleaned/dried the plug. Put all back together and she fired second pull. Closed choke and running on 3rd pull. I cut a few pieces of wood to help run some gas through. Ran perfect. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 3:51am
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Last visit to farm I discovered the Stihl would not even sputter even with fresh gas. Brought it home and pulled plug. It was wet. Checked and no spark. Pulled off kill wire on coil and still no spark. Seems to be a common problem, bad coil. Ordered a new coil and that got it. About $30 with a new plug. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 4:53am
Say there, My Friend,,,,you startin to get like ole Joe with your share of them "Good Luck deals",,,,
 And I'm glad for you,,,!! Ms. Jenn will most likely be cookin you your favorites today,,,, You'll be able to tell her HOW much money you saved on HER chainsaw,,,,,,, |
Thad in AR. wrote:Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 5:54am
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NICE !! sounds like a winner !!! I got rid of 2 gas saws last year..fed up of the PITA...as I didn't use them often and have 'carb/gas' issues. Now that I've sold next door...less to worry about. I do have 3 electrics though(1 pole saw,others 14-16" bars) they always start ! With today's lousy gas, maybe we're supposed to 'run until empty' ?? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 6:37am
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I try to use only non ethanol in small engines. My old Stihl didn’t want to run last time I tried it . Finally got it going but was some work. This is a much bigger saw than my others. Don’t know weather to keep it or sell. |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 8:02am
| I replaced temporarily my O26 Stihl with an Echo CS 590. Nice saw,no issues so far as I cut most of my firewood with it last year. Haven't had the time to rebuild the O26. May get to it this winter.Still sets on the shelf in the shop! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 8:18am
| Can use general pump gas so long as mix MINIMAL for use, use that up run saws and weed trimmers until stall out then clean ALL the gas out of the tank, I then add a stabilized mix of canned gas to each little engine start and shut them down. Canned mix gas lasts a long time, the general gas if used up becomes no problem. Know others that just run the last of season tank with a little stabile in it then run them dry, also not having issues, |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 1:34pm
| I like my battery power chain saw pull start button and it's running when battery is read for a recharge so am I |
Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 1:47pm
| One of my Husqvarna's was real particular on gas. More than a couple months old and it wouldn't run. The others can be going on a year and still run. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 3:24pm
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Each brand is different as is each model!-- some are super picky ! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 9:11pm
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When I found myself in the market for a chainsaw, I did a little research first which was when I found out that the old AC saws were made by Poulan. Since an AC saw in running condition is well beyond my comfort zone price wise for an occasional use saw, I took a chance on a brand new 16" Poulan saw sold through Lowe's at the time. I was quite satisfied with it as a homeowner doing storm cleanup on my and my in-laws property for many years. It always started every time that I needed it no matter how long it had sat. As far as fuel, I used the same 87 pump gas that I run in my mowers but with the proper oil ratio mixed in. This same gas can also supplies my weedeater which has been fine for many years now too. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of leaving my chainsaw sit outside on the porch 1 night after using it and somebody walked off with it. Needless to say, I will have no problem buying myself another Poulan when I get another saw. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 6:01am
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Thad, Good deal. Yes you had compression, (new saw) you had sparky, So the fuel would have been what I would have suspected too. This spring I had several things that had to have fuel drained and changed out to get them to run. Sounds like you got a nice saw for about a third of the price of a new one! Awesome! Now where are the pictures? Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 6:51am
I phone no work with this forum. Several of us have tried. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:25am
 iPhone, I had to try! Rotation wrong, but it worked! 
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:30am
| Nice deal on the saw! Sounds like the owner just fouled the plug. Maybe he forgot to turn it on for several pulls, or maybe the switch can be iffy, or maybe the fuel was a bit off. Good luck! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:33am
And a great pic at that. Reminds me of my younger days. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:39am
Reminds me of 3 weeks ago! 
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:43am
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Hey TBone,,,tell me "exactly" how you got your IPhone to transfer the pic on here,,,,I've just bout give up with my IPhone 8,,it just6 WILL NOT transfer to my PC,,,,
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Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 8:22am
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Try emailing to yourself. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 8:57am
I was (am) logged on with my iPhone. Do you ever do that? As for transferring to your computer, it “should “ work easily, but if not try emailing it to yourself. The pic should then be able to be saved anywhere on your pc |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 9:49am
| I only have the phone now. |
Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 10:04am
I got chewed out for making loads like that. The girls unloading didn't like getting the top bales down....lol
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 10:43am
| Boss man, I got to unload it myself, so... I don’t very often make them that big due to tires, ease of unloading, steady work flow for helpers, etc. But when we started, I said I want one more big load this year before we round bale the rest! |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 3:49pm
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That is a pretty stack! I broke out in a sweat just looking at it! I always preferred loading rather than unloading, it was mighty hot in the hay mow and no breeze. That is a pretty stack, tight, real even, etc ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 3:57pm
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 4:03pm
Thanks! Years of practice I wish I would have counted before I left the field, because there was as 147 on it. I woulda done 3 more just for grins. And it was only about 96 that day, but not humid!
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 4:56pm
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it was always drilled into me, and we took great pride in building Hallmark stacks, maybe to a fault, but the fellow I worked for had leased fields scattered all over, which meant the hay was transported over the highway up to about two miles. I don't need to explain to anyone on here that a nice tight, square, even stack stood a better chance of not taking a dump on the road.....that would be ugly. Sometimes it was hard because most of our fields slopped, some steep enough that we would slide across the wagon on the polished deck with the chaff on it. Hard to build a nice stack that way. Oh the good bad old days! ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 5:10pm
 hay,hay ,hay.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 7:57pm
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Excellent Cross locked stack!! |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 8:11pm
sloped, not slopped! ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 8:26pm
We had a salesman come to the Fire Dept. about 30 years ago and made this statement; "you can use this in ALL of your equipment, doesn't matter if it's 25-1 or 40-1 or 15-1 or whatever. WE (the company) will buy you a new one if it breaks down because of the gas/oil mixture." We started using it immediately and NEVER had a problem with it. I use it for everything that I have. I have trusted it for all these years since and never had a problem with starting anything. It's called Opti-2 ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 3:39pm
Ted is it some type of 2 stroke oil or some type of fuel? Never heard of it. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 12:35pm
It was in the description. It is a 2 stroke oil Thad. Just google it and then try to find a place to buy it. It's not so cheap online. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 1:41pm
| There is an additive called "Start" that beats anything I ever saw to start a small engine. Just use as directed and it will go from won't ever sputter to start. We get it here at Orscheln Farm and Home Store. One of the best cold weather starter fluid is windshield frost remover. Not saying it's equal to ether but it's never failed me, and you don't have to worry about the famous ether lock. Engine will start and not have that awful detonation sound. I've used it down to 0 degrees. Below that I don't know. On my HD-5 I even used gas one time. Worked, but not so great. |