Advice on equipment needed for farming
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Topic: Advice on equipment needed for farming
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Subject: Advice on equipment needed for farming
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 3:43am
| My father in laws renters decided that they are not going to farm any more. The land +or- 40 acres came out of crp 2 years ago and has been moldboarded and planted to beans both years. There some hills and a 5 acre pond in the middle of it.i go to a lot of auctions when im not working(masonry)and need to figure out what i can pull with our ac 180 and be somewhat efficient. Were planning on doing alfalfa hay squares for second and third cutting and big rounds for the first. We'll be putting about half of it out to corn as well. The first thing we need is a manure spreader, as we are 4+ years behind schedule (a crappy situation) for getting it out of our steer lot. It has straw in it as well. I was told not to get a tandem axle spreader by a friend because we will inevitably overload it and not be able to pull. What size or models of brown gold distributers should i be looking for? |
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 4:40am
Around here, I'd go with New holland, they were the most popular, and would still be able to get parts for. Triple beater grinds it up fine, but if it has plastic twine in the sh!t, you'll be cuttin it off the top beaters , a lot! Good luck! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 4:54am
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Going to the 6th auction this year tomorrow. I just wish i had known sooner about them not renting the ground anymore. Here's my list of things i need to get so far: Spreader,disc,haybine,hayrake,square baler (saw a really nice allis chalmers one go for $750 and still kicking myself for not bidding), id also like to get an accumulater and grapple for the skicloader, cultipacker, corn planter, two row picker, a 4 bottom plow, and a new barn to put it all in. |
Posted By: Tenn allis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 5:01am
| Speaking from experience we have a 500 cow dairy we clean up our hay rings once a year there’s a rock base and we don’t move the rings so there’s a lot of long hay and manure. Don’t buy a v bottom spreader the hay and straw will just wrap on the auger. Whatever you buy get one with a top beater one bottom and a smaller one on top. If you get a single beater it will just dig out under the heap of crap and cause problems. Especially if it has long hay in it. It will slip the clutch or sheer the pin and then you have to get the fork out. We use a H&S 370 with hydraulic apron drive and a 450 hydra push spreader. You could get vertical beaters but they are pricey. Hydraulic drive let’s you slow down the rate of unload so the beaters can tear it apart and do a good job of spreading. Older spreaders are not aggressive enough to tear it apart in my experience |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 5:32am
| For what you are doing, I’d look for a New Idea 214 or New Holland ( several numbers around that size). Stick with singe axle or you most likely will not pull it up hill. Check the axle out good on the older New Holland’s as they were installed upside down and have a tendency to rust out from the inside. Both are very good spreaders for dry media at lower price points. As said, more bars are better for spreading and hold plastic twine. That’s why we don’t use plastic on round bales in the feed lot. |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 6:29am
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If you drew the short straw as one of the boys on our dairy, you got to clean the beaters of twine as a kid. Hated cleaning that JD33 as it had the barrel beater and happy the day came when that barrel dropped off in the field, that one became the rock pickin trailer as the stone boat was finally parked. New 140 Knight, then years later a Knight 180, biggest we could use as stored on the barn floor to prevent freezing in winter. All steel vs. the JD with wood floor/sides as those Knights held up well, spread evenly to boot. Worked for a neighbor as a teen, ran a big NH barrel unit and I could make that thing bounce when near empty on a 80hp SAME 4WD. They could hold liquids well but between those large bearings front and rear needing changed almost yearly and replacing sling chains with the small piece of angle iron on the chain ends they went out of favor within five years in our area.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:29am
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#1 consideration is what is the budget? |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:59am
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For your situation you might consider forgetting about the plow and finding a JD 7000 planter set up for no till. I have been no tilling 150 plus acres of corn and soybeans for about 10 years. Many times I have planted directly into burned down sod with very good results. Soil type is a consideration, the lighter the better. However, I have seen good crops in no till clay. Way back, I pulled a 4-16 plow with packer, 14' tandem disk, 12' field cultivator and 6 row planter with a 180 diesel. Good luck with farming! ------------- Part time farming with a 1980 7060 and 1984 F3 hydro. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 8:18am
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obviously missing from the list.. Another 180 !!!! Saves on 'downtime', allows 2 farmers to get more done in less time, and well you 'need' more tractors.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 9:28am
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With todays cost of inputs------look for another renter and save all the headaches and heartaches of it! Your looking at MAJOR money out and no return back on it! --- Tread lightly and carefully my friend! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:09am
| as far as cleaning out your steer lot hire it done. We had the 20 year old manure pile spread at the farm 2 years ago its was a very big pile 200 cows for 20 years. it took the guy with a quadtrack a spreader and real big payloader 2 weeks 160 loads and we just kept farming as usual. when we started the smaller pile at the outer farm we never did get it finished we could only get a load or two out before something else came up and wed stop and go fix some other more pressing problem. we still have about 20 loads left out of the pole barn pile to move. this year the man that dozed out the winter feed lot only took 20 triaxle dump truck loads of manure as payment. was a big win for us. we try to remove the twine when we fill the feeders but some always gets out to the field. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:47am
^^^^ this is good advice... If you are set on farming, time is short now to get things rolling,, I would really try to find another renter( maybe set up on a yearly contract) this way it will give you time to look for the things you need. some things could be hired out,, that may be less cost than owning the equipment, and get things done in a timely fashion,, sometimes ya can't wait ...
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ac fleet wrote:Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:49pm
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Ii feel like we can rent some out to other family members with all of the hay equipment, and corn planting stuff, but were still out half of it if we do it on shares. We really want to have hay and corn on hand for our cattle. And sell some rounds and squares through the winter. You see, we have 28 head of cattle and are sick of buying hay and corn. I used to feed out steers in tubs by bucket. I got tired of it, and was fortunate enough to pick up a 2 ton steer stuffer (very clean!!!) For $150 at an auction. Then bought a feed grinder for $500 (paint still on the knives), then a 115 bushel grain truck for $1200. We can now feed out steers at 1/3 the cost of buying feed from the elevator. Owned the equipment for over a year and it has definitely paid for itself. I just want to be able to have it on hand and store it rather than be at the mercy of market price of $4+ bushel corn or hay prices at the end of February... |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:50pm
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I have to agree---Find another renter. 2 things to remember: Farming is a rewarding career-just not financially. There's good money in almost all farm commodities-just not for the farmer. |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:57pm
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FOR 35 acres rent it out or just plant in hay. Rent a spreader. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 1:04pm
| My idea for a budget is picking it up at auction as i can buy it over time... |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 1:28pm
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You can do it. Spreader wise I would look for a tandem axle because they usually sell cheaper than a single. The hobby guys want a single axle and the big guys arnt interested in the older tandems. A New Idea 244 is a good sized spreader. Picker wise you could get by with a one row if you find the right deal. A New Idea 310 or 323 in go with a one row. A 324 for two row wide or 325 for two row narrow. Good luck! ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 2:43pm
Going hay alone would be easiest. Yeah, you might consider buying $4 corn grain from local elevator for a year or two?? That’d give you more time to gather auction items for corn farming, JD7000, Gleaner E/K(2row) combine, disk/FC/plow, & etc. In meantime, manure could spread on hay ground. Growing corn can be expensive (seed, fertilizers, herbicides,etc)& a difficult year(bad weather) could be more expensive? If later corn price go up, manure becomes a major nitrogen savings. |
Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 6:56pm
| I really like the hydra push spreaders. You only have to lie under a spreader on a freezing day once trying to fix a broken table chain. If you have a day job ,don't under estimate how valuable your free time is. Fixing older equipment can turn an enjoyable adventure into a burden |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:38pm
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Right now medium sized equipment is dirt cheap. All these 150 cow family dairy farms going out has really depressed prices. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:54pm
| Thank you everyone for the input! I didn't figure on getting this much back in a day. I will be checking on a spreader tomorrow. Not sure if ill buy or not, if not another will come along. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:43pm
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Ease into it slowly and don't jump in all at once. This year just do small squares or large round bails. Next year add the other one. The third year add the row crop. Time is short so you need to focus on just one. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 7:09am
| We have family with equipment to do everything we need to do. Really nice hay setup for rounds and small squares. Their outfit for squares is super slick! Accumulator and grapple for a skid steer. If we can sell off some of the hay and save up to get our own, i feel that would be a good bet. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:39am
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Around here equipment for what you want to do is non-exist! ---- Hope you have it in your area! I have a NI 310 one row picker, ( last one in this area) and they pick a lot of corn, so don't pass one up if they can be found in your area. On that note,--- do you have a crib for ear corn storage?---shelled corn storage? ----- That would have to come before corn planted in the field. ---- I'm just thinking out loud here! ---- stirring the pot so to speak. lol!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:12pm
| Ok,so we bought the spreader. Its an international 540 that sat in a barn fom the 70s to 2015 or 16. Then deck was replaced and it was run in the field a couple dozen times. T links and beater looks ok. Slop gate fell off less than a quarter mile down the road though. We probably wont use it, but will repair it just in case. Pulled it home at 50mph no problem. $600. |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:16pm
| Was about an hour and a half drve back and checked the hubs for heat. The weren't even warm when we pulled in the drive. |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:23pm
| Someone had corn cribs they were going to sell us for $500 for the pair. |
Posted By: Dkienzle
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 9:13pm
| Have some one custom farm it for you. The corn and hay. As you make some money buy the things you need with cash. Buying all that equipment for 30 head of feeders and 35 acres isn't gonna make much money. |
Posted By: JOHN N/IL
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 1:34pm
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Where are you located jim I might have some equipment for your 180 ------------- D-15IIG65,D-17IVG67,D-17D58,620 |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 6:36pm
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The big wire cribs sold for $50. here. I bought many to get the panels for cattle feed lot fencing. I would think $500. is way too high, but IF that is what they sell for in your area, then I guess that's what you will have to pay! Be careful when taking them down and moving them! ---They flimsy as heck once the bolts start coming out! LOL!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 7:19pm
May I ask why the poo wasn't hauled for 20 years ?? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 7:28pm
| To the OP, how is the manure getting loaded? Is your 180 fitted with rear wheel weights or liquid ballust? Some of the replies insinuating to just "bail" on farming it and rent it out makes me laugh, GO FOR IT !! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 10:26pm
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I guess you must have a skid steer loader available for loading the manure. If it were me I would put it in windrows and let it compost over the summer, just have to turn it a few times. Easier to spread, and better for the soil. I'd just plant hay, you get more chances each year to get a crop and can always sell some hay and buy grain (or trade for it). ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Rhoadesy_65
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:27am
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I wouldnt try to get all the equipment at one time, and especially not the best you can think of right away. We moved out to the farm a few years ago, started with a ford tractor and borrowed equipment from family. We gradually picked up a planter, drill, disk, packer, brush hog, haybine, baler, rake ect over two years. Started with a K, moved to an F2, now we are at a JD 9400, I bought the 200 last summer, we graduated to a chisel plow last year and picked up a big field cultivator this year. My point being you can get away with older smaller equipment at first and start to upgrade once you see if its going to work out and then you will be able to see which piece of equipment needs upgraded. Craigslist and Facebook marketplace can be your friend. We have bought a couple pieces at auction but in my experience things can go much higher than they are worth. ------------- Farmin' with 1981 7010 PD, Great Grandpas 1947 Farmall H, JD 7000 planter, JD model B drill, NH 316 Baler, NH 1411 Discbine ,JD 100 8 Shank Chisel. Darke County OH |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 8:47pm
| Im in northern indiana. Father in law and i broke down today and went halfs on another tractor.the one eighty diesel is having problems with spewing out antifreeze after running more than an hour. He didn't want to take it yet. Got to bring this othern home on Friday. Its an hour and some change drive by pick-up. How long will it take me in a allis chalmers 7060 to bring it back to the barn. Also, any tips on hiding it from the ol ladies would be appreciated... |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 8:59pm
I managed to keep a 170 for almost a year lol |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:04pm
| How? |
Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:11pm
| Just remember that everything has 3 prices...the price you paid, the price you told the wife you paid, and the price you pay when she finds out what you really paid. |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:12pm
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:21pm
| I was surprised to see that a 7060 with either a PD or PS(you didn't say which you bought) would run over 19 MPH in road gear :-) |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:23pm
| The beef steers bought it for us to use... it was really nice of them... mine knows now, as she asked when i got home from Ohio. Mother-in-law doesn't yet, but ill probably get blamed. Im just gonna blame the steers. |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:39pm
| Tell them to talk to your father in law. I always get a pass when it’s my father in laws idea lol. So if it runs 19mph are you figuring five hours? Be neat to video the journey and then speed up the footage. |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 9:52pm
| Not a powershift, we are both afraid of them. If they go out you might as well buy a new tractor for the price it takes to repair them. He's been looking at case tractors for 2 years and i've been looking at auction window chalk on how much people spent to work on them. 9-14000. Wow!!! |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 10:03pm
| Tell them its the neighbors tractor and you are just borrowing to try out. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 11:19pm
| check "Kelly Ryan Equipment Company" |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 7:52am
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 8:25am
Ha, that's a fantastic post Lonn!
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 8:44am
| 5-6 hours drive time for the 7060, if your figuring 75-80 miles. |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 9:30pm
| We have a bobcat for the spreader. The shaft on the beater was in worse shape than we thought. Getting a new one made and the old beaters welded back. This tractor is big enough to run the rest of our family's equipment that we need to run. And we're going to hire them to plant for us. A buddy offered to pick the tractor up for the cost of fuel. As much as id like to clog up traffic, id still like to run it around the field a few times before I'd be completely confident on a 4 hour journey at 18-19 mph. (I checked it out on maps). Looking for duals for her next. Might have a haybine and rake bought this year. I appreciate all of the feedback!!! |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:46pm
| Brought the 7080 home yesterday so we could get prepping it for the field. Gotta switch the 1000 to 540 on the pto. Took be 3 1/2 hrs going home. No problem whatsoever. Sounded the same driveway to driveway. On fencing, been looking for guardrail but my days bending over for someone else to get a dime are over. Ill get it, it just takes time. |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:57pm
| So the other day the neighbor was over and were talking about insulation in the toolroom. He said something about how much heat the cattle put out when they're all in the barn. A few minutes later, one of our steers let one loose that sounded kinda wet. As funny as it sounds, my thoughts went immediately to fencing. They like to scratch and rub and i don't know about anyone else on here, but thats gonna itch when it dries. No wonder we spend so much time on fencing. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:35pm
Now I'm confused...7060 or 7080?
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 5:49am
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Watch Facebook marketplace, Craigslist and area consignment sales. Don’t get too fancy and buy carefully and you will have lots of fun puttering with 35 acres. I disagree fully with rent it out folks. Putter away. Nothing else sell idiot bricks to horse people. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 6:25am
| Im sorry, 7060... |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 6:34am
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re: Nothing else sell idiot bricks to horse people. I met a local trucker and he hauled 'idiot bricks' to NC or FL ( I forget,was 5-10 year ago) EVERY week ! He said they can't grow good feed down there. I'm betting after a few months, the ride would be BORING.... great $$ in it for him and farmer up here though ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 12:59pm
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We're planning on putting first cutting in rounds for ourselves, and second and third are for the grinder and for selling in small squares. On another note, this cab is lacking any padding or carpet. Can anyone find me a picture of what it should look like new? |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 1:18pm
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Way back when, we were selling hay (never knew small squares as "idiot bricks" until today) to a horse farm in MD and two in FL. We sold it for at least 4 times more than we could ever think of doing locally. They also paid the trucking. I lost touch with them when my Dad decided to shut things down around 1984, I kept things going for him locally until he decided (read: "was convinced by one of my sisters") to just end things and sell-off all the equipment etc. in 1991. I'm not even sure I'd recall or remember their names. We bought his land in 2011, most all of it had gone back to woods. Slowly but surely clearing and reclaiming. Now getting ready again to sell, I sure want to see if those ol' boys are still around and buying lol! ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 1:27pm
     From a black belly. Maroon does not have posts and side bar covered. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 1:39pm
 New floor mat I just put in 7040. The holes for shifter and hi lo buttons are marked but not cut out in case you have a different transmission |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 2:17pm
| Fehr (google em) has cab kits for that and many others. Cut to fit,glue,instructions etc. Other places sell their kits....they are as good as any you will find. Did my 8070 and F2 Gleaner. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 2:35pm
| Yep. These all came from Fehr. Nice fit, minor trimming |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 4:50pm
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Thanks for the 7000 series interior pics. Now I know what mine is supposed to look like. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: Mad jim macafee
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 4:42am
| I appreciate it too! Unfortunately someone took an angle grinder to both speaker holes and the one on the right. That is that hanging on the removable panel on the right? Them fehr cab kits look pretty sharp. I may have to put that on our list... |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:36pm
| The roof picture is a maroon 7060. Original radio was on the right. I did not want to cut up the opening for the new radio so I moved it to the left and fabbed a cover to fit the stock opening. Then I mounted the switches for the two light bars to that new cover. I also fabbed the plate to install new radio. Still looking for another metal speaker cover |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 11:05pm
| You can buy hay cheaper than you can raise it for a small number of cows. The problem with buying hay is you really don’t know what you are getting. I always end up with strange weeds I’ve never had before anytime I bring in hay from somewhere else. That is why I choose to make my own hay. It may cost more but I know what I’m getting. |