Mitchell Snap Hitch and Snap-coupler
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Topic: Mitchell Snap Hitch and Snap-coupler
Posted By: Dean(IA)
Subject: Mitchell Snap Hitch and Snap-coupler
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 8:44pm
Does anyone have any information about the Mitchell Snap Hitch and the Snap-Coupler? Did the Mitchell Snap Hitch develop into the Snap-Coupler? These are both Allis-Chalmers ads. (The Snap -Coupler ad is from Austin Fredericks' website) Bill Long, do you have any ideas about the Mitchell Snap Hitch? Thanks, Dean ------------- Dean(IA) |
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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 8:51pm
| That's a neat add. Never seen a exhaust pipe like on the B |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 8:51pm
| Thank you for posting this. I have never seen it before. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 9:19pm
| Be nice to know what the date was of Mitchell's advertising. If it is before 1955 or so, maybe he did invent the concept of snap-coupler hitching. |
Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 11:23pm
| Knowing the year would definitely be nice! The tractor in the ad for the Mitchell Snap Hitch almost looks like an English B to me... Perhaps they marketed the Snap Coupler in the US and Mitchell Snap Hitch in Europe. |
Posted By: Dean(IA)
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 7:44am
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The Victoria Museum in Melbourne, Australia posted the ad from Mitchell & Co. Footscray West, Melbourne, Australia. Their post said that the ad is from 1950. I will try to contact Mitchell and see if the company is still in business and has any more information on the Snap Hitch. Also, you are correct, it is an English B. ------------- Dean(IA) |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 9:07am
I think that is the air inlet. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Mikez wrote:Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 9:19am
I see the normal "mushroom" cap on the air cleaner. Considering the fires Australia is known for, could it be a spark arrestor? |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 6:39pm
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Page 32 of the B parts book shows that air cleaner as the one for a power unit. I suppose it would be very easy to put that on a tractor. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 11:19pm
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So, this particular tractor has two air cleaner intakes? And one of them exits the hood where the exhaust pipe normally would? I'm still thinking spark arrestor....with a little googling I found a few references to spark arrestors for Australian tractors including formal tests of them. I know there are some Aussies on here who surely would know.
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Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 4:04am
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Mitchell farm machinery were a distributor of Allis Chalmers tractors here in Australia from 1946 onwards in Victoria. I would say that the Snap Coupler advertised in this ad is merely just advertising the factory product. Mitchell imported the tractors but most implements out here were manufactured by Mitchell and Co so A/C implements are very rare. I have heard they developed ploughs and other implements to suit the A/C Snap Coupler but have never seen any. ------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/ |
Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 5:10am
| Thanks for explaining Travis and thanks to Dean for starting this thread! Great piece of AC history that I had never heard or seen mentioned. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 5:14am
| But, the problem with that theory is this: A-C didn't offer the "snap-coupler" system on the WD45 until late 1953 at s/n 151,381 and it was standard equipment. So how could a model "B" in 1950 have it when the WD45 had not yet been built ?? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 5:25am
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re:... So how could a model "B" in 1950 have it when the WD45 had not yet been built ?? Well A-C was known to be ahead of its time !!  ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 6:28am
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If you look way to the right of the add it also lists the CA and the WD45. The top picture appears to be WD or WD45. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 6:51am
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Remember, the later B's could be had with a snap coupler hitch. In the States, the B overlapped the entire production of CA's minus the last year of them. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 12:23pm
Does anyone have any information about the Mitchell Snap Hitch and the Snap-Coupler? Did the Mitchell Snap Hitch develop into the Snap-Coupler? These are both Allis-Chalmers ads. (The Snap -Coupler ad is from Austin Fredericks' website) Bill Long, do you have any ideas about the Mitchell Snap Hitch? Thanks, Dean I think that was Dean's question........could the Allis Snap-Coupler have developed FROM the Mitchell Snap Hitch? Obviously, the '50 B could not have had an Allis Snap-Coupler however, a Mitchell Snap-Hitch could have been bought for it. Could Allis have liked it enough to "invent" their own?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 2:47pm
| Well, the "Roto-Baler" was someone else's creation and AC bought it from him. Nothing illegal or immoral about that. It's just how business rolls sometimes. I had a neighbor 50 years ago who built a self-loading tank type manure spreader. He used it for a couple of years on his farm and then sold it (and the idea) to a Farm Equipment Manufacturer. |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 3:24pm
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Do we have a date for that Mitchell brochure? When was it published? AaronSEIA
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 3:35pm
| The original post said 1950. |
Posted By: 200 10and20
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 3:47pm
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That is 2 separate ads the snap coupler was invented by La Crosse Works on August 13th 1953 by Willard H Tanke. You can look up the full patent. My guess is the Mitchell hitch was a aftermarket for a B. |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 3:51pm
If the original ad is indeed from 1950, then the Mitchell hitch is 3 years newer than the AC one. All the internet shows about a Mitchell hitch is 2 pieces of literature with the identical tractor setup on them. One page did say the original ad was 4 pages long, but they only show the image we are discussing. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 7:52pm
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Are they guessing when they said the Mitchell ad is from 1950? Anyhow, it would help some to have a better picture of the complete hitch. Looking at the provided pic, it doesn't look like an AC snap coupler under the tractor to me. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 7:46am
https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/1504564 " rel="nofollow - https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/1504564 ; This is probably the source for the image. "1950 circa" is all it says. I can't tell what is under that B. Looks like the plow hitch to me, but there must be some kind of quick release to it. It sure doesn't look like the AC snap coupler for the B. I'll guess some kind of aftermarket setup. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 8:07am
| And it may look nothing like what A-C came out with, BUT the basic idea of a snap/hook type hitch may have come from Australia. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 2:23pm
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Could that be an exhaust extension? Seeing as it is an Australian tractor, wouldn't it make sense that there is an extension and then a spark arrestor on top of that? Hard to ell from the pic, but it looks to be a pin hitch. I've been wrong before. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 3:32pm
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That brochure must be 1954 or later. Per the Allis CA Parts Catalog of 1960, only the last CA of 1953, CA 31423, had a Snap Coupler. WD-45 came out in mid 1953, and one of it's features was Snap Coupler. Gary |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 4:59pm
You're referring to the A-C brochure on the right? The brochure on the left is the one from Mitchell.
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 5:04pm
If you read the brochure, it speaks of backing up to the implement and it "snaps" onto the coupler. It then says to unhitch, simply pull the release lever and drive away. So, it may not have been exactly like the patented A-C system, but it worked basically the same.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 5:25pm
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In the land of Oz, things happen differently, with regard to patent laws, and concessions the company might have had to make, to allow AC to sell tractors, there... The bell, under the tractor, sure looks like the original AC part... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Dave (Mid-MI)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 6:10pm
| I saw the Mitchell ad somewhere else recently and more of it was shown. There is no bell under the B. The front of the plow beam attaches to the round part of the plow mount with a latch that rolls around the round bar much like the release hitches on old trailer plows rolled around the clevis bolted to the tractor drawbar. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 6:13pm
Maybe the hand lift only operates the latch coupler??? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Dave (Mid-MI)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 7:32pm
| I found the pic of the latch, and saved it to my laptop as a JPG file. I don't know how to post it on this site. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 7:06am
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 7:07am
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That's assuming you saved the pic to your desktop. Otherwise where ever you saved it to is where you go rather than where I said "Desktop". ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 10:45am
What Lonn said, but just for your information, the quick reply box at the bottom of this thread does NOT have that tree picture icon. You have to click the Post Reply button to the left and above the quick reply box. If you hit the quote button, it Will have the tree icon for uploading a picture. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 4:44pm
| Clicking on the slanting arrow to the right of the Text Colour "A" will expand the response box and give you more options including posting pictures. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 5:52pm
Whoops, I was looking at the top right pic (the WD). My bad...  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Dave (Mid-MI)
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 8:48pm
| I saved the Mitchell image to my desktop. When I click on the insert image icon, a box pops up asking me for the web address. Not sure what to do next. |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 5:20am
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Dave, if you want, you can e-mail it to me and I'll post it. aaron_cummings(at)hotmail.com AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 7:17am
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 3:33pm
I guess an old dog CAN learn new tricks. I just did. Thanks for pointing that out. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Dave (Mid-MI)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 5:05pm
| I emailed the jpg of the latch to Dean. Hope he shares it here. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 10:04pm
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Gentlemen, Please remember the snap coupler for a B was an add on attachment that could be attached to just about any B. It was an attempt by Allis Chalmers to make the B more modern with a snap coupler. Also, you could use it to hook up a three point hitch made for snap coupler. If I recall you turned the drawbar around, hooked up the snap coupler and got new lift arms and rams for the rear. It would handle a two bottom plow in not so tough soil. Hope this is some help. Good Luck! Bill Long
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