HF can kiss my....
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Topic: HF can kiss my....
Posted By: shameless dude
Subject: HF can kiss my....
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 1:40am
| o-k...so I get the 25% off anything in the store coupon...went to HF on Jan 1st, to get an orange roll around tool box (U.S.General) brand. the one I liked on line was there but after eye balling it, just wasn't what I wanted. found another one, same brand, that would do my needs a lot better (and was a bit cheaper) but I wasn't looking for the cost part, just what would do my needs. they had the bottom chest on wheels but was out of the top chest, I ordered the top chest, said it would be 4-7 weeks for pick up. I get up to the counter an pre4sent my 25% off coupon, lady says the tool box doesn't apply to the coupon. I showed her the print on the coupon that said: 25% OFF ANY SINGLE ITEM! she said I had to read the fine print on the bottom of the coupon, I said I couldn't read it as it's to small, and asked her to read it, and she couldn't either, nor could the other clerk! I was starting to show my dis-pleasure at this time. one of them did go take a large magnifying glass off a shelf and bring it over, and then read the fine print the best they could as some of the lettering was just ink blotches. it named a lot of brand name items but not the brand name of my tool box, but then it did say tool storage in the exclusions so that pretty much covers everything. I did pick something else up and was able to get $10.00 off of that with the 25% coupon. ya'll be careful out there if you receive their coupons! now....i'm still at the counter, and wrote my check for what I did get. they call their place they call when people presents a check...which is no problem with me....usually! she's on the phone for along time saying "English,and pushing the number buttons on her phone,ect", and she hangs up, throws my check back at me and says I've been declined! WHAT???? WTF??? why? and she just shrugged her shoulders and said the check company told me not to accept my check! again...what's the reason? got the shoulder shcrug again, I asked...did you even ask them? she said no. now this is embarrassing and my temper just raised up a couple more notches. now I've written over 19,000 checks in my lifetime and have never had a decline nor a bad check! but they don't know that and prolly don't care. she said she'd take a credit card, she didn't even look to see if it was my card or not. I would have shoved that tool box up their....well you know...but I really did need the box. I asked for the phone number of their check place and at first wouldn't give it to me...but after my voice got louder and more people are gathering behind me, she did give it to me. I waited until the next day and checked with my bank to make sure there wasn't anything wrong in my account, they told me my account was very sound and then he asked for the phone number of that place and called it. they wouldn't tell him anything over the phone and said he had to apply any complaints or questions on line. he did that and got me a complaint number issued. haven't heard back from them yet. if no response by Monday i'll call the BBB! i'm still fired up over this! o-k...my rant has toned me down...about a 1/2 of 1%. |
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 2:39am
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Well,,Good Buddy,,,I feel for you as usually HF is good to get along with,,,I too have received those latest coupons and have been told that one coupon applies to any "ONE" item you purchase,,,but I did not realize it had any exclusions as far as specific "brands" of the particular tool,,,? I'm kinda puzzled bout the checks thing, tho,,,,? Here'e what I do on the recommendation of my bank,., If and when you do "Any" on line buying, you should have a "Reloadable Card" specifically used for that purpose. You can get those from your bank and you "reload" to say,,,$300 from your regular card as you need to to cover all online purchases. This way them scammers can only get you for the amount on your reloadable instead of the BIG balance on your regular card,,,!! The reloadable does not have a paper trail from your BIG account,,,,,think of this as you going and diggin up just "One" of your stashes instead of several different stashes,,,,
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 7:03am
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That is a good idea Joe, I'm gonna look into it. So friggin many scammers out there these days. They enact all these laws and it just makes it harder and more costly for us honest folks and businesses, instead of seeking these Aholes out and locken em up and fining their pants off. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 7:22am
| I wouldn't stop with just a fine. |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 7:27am
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I only have two cc's, both have "see ID" written by me on signature line. I started this years ago as nobody ever checked to see if it was my card. I know its mine and rarely use them, still, one time in 20 will anyone check the signature and ask me for my ID, always an older person that is doing their job the way they are supposed to by even turning the card over to see if it is signed.
They pushed for cc use for years so they could sell your info, now they want all of us to buy on-line so they can also sell your e-mail addy.. Have noticed the last 3-4 years that websites that removed their phone number (so you had no choice but to click to buy) have now put a toll free number back on their site. I called a few years ago on chain saw parts and the gal kept asking for my e-mail addy. Told her I did not give that out and she actually said without entering same, her system could not take my order per company policy. Hung up, called back the next day and they said the same thing. Told them I did not have one and they asked how I found their web site? Told the gal I went to the public library to look them up, she took my card and I got my parts shipped with an invoice showing my e-mail address as all X's. My favorite is asking for the manager's business card at the front desk when I check into a hotel. With that particular hotel's location number, I call them directly whenever going thru the same town and need a room. Most will tell you that you can only book a room via the "reservation line" when you call the hotel directly, which has been more expensive EVERY time I used it. When pushed for them to check availability/rate for my upcoming visit, just tell them that If I have to call their reservation line, I have no need to stay their. Like herding sheep as everything they do with "new rules" is designed to get your money and personal info. Have spoken with hotel front desk staff when checking in late at night and some will tell you that they are threatened with their job if they quote direct without using the reservation service they pay for.
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 8:44am
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Hey Tim,,that is so true on the signature on the back of the CC's,,,
 I have had this card forever and you can still see the stuff I was susspossed to have scratched off some years back,,,,, I don't really like usin CC's but are the lessor of two evils. Your personal checks have all your bank info such as routing numbers and all,,,, I now use checks strictly for bill payment and hope for the best. I use the reloadable card for any online purchase I got to do. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 9:01am
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I'm starting a new business. Well, 52nd re-start of the same business, I've had to shut down so many times. Anyways, FIFTY BUCKS AND AN ALIBI, and I find those people for you no matter where they are, and - well, not only do you get your money back plus 20%, but "the problem" (read: "BAD GUYS") is, let's just say eliminated. Why so cheap? For the same reason I've had to shut-down and re-start so many times: The REAL money is in the blackmail. Obviously joking, but don't ya wish there was somebody doing something about it? I say, if you and your identity are one and the same, and someone steals your identity, then they took your "life," so why not make them have to pay with theirs? ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 9:03am
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Don't understand what happened on your check... The 25% if is misleading.. It NEVER covers their motors , generators, most air tools, some floor jacks, and tool boxes.... its good for sockets, wrenches, hammers, and their GENERIC brand stuff... Not the items that are trying to get a Name Brand. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 9:56am
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I have found myself less and less enamored with HF, doing less and less business with them for just such practices mentioned here. And Dale, you are wasting your time with the BBB. If the company in question is not a member of the BBB, then the BBB couldn't care less, and if they are a member, then it depends on how much dues the company pays to the BBB and if they are paid up as to what action, if any they will take! ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 9:58am
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I learned about the exemptions several years ago when I needed a hydraulic jack, they're not covered either. Now I did get a coupon before the first of the year in an email that was a 20% off anything, no exemptions, not sure but probably only good for one day. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 10:17am
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Latest 20% standard coupon exclusions  This 20% off is pretty standard and easy to get at their web site. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 12:33pm
 Thank you to those that share the wisdom. I am cheap and so glad you shared so I didn't have pay to learn.Come on Shameless you got to pay even after bragging up that store. True story: My one son was a Landscape Architect in Orange County,and son of the owner of HF wanted the company my son worked for to redesign his Estate. The company draw up plans,but kid could not decide if he liked it. Hired my son on the side to build a model of the estate. Standard card board building was not good enough, need to go get cars and trucks. Match box or what ever cars he got was not the same scale,so was payed to do it over so car fit garage. So Shameless somebody has to pay so the kid can play,and another big secret kid was scheming how he could take over and kick dad out. Since that was over 10 years ago kid may be the one running the show, so I am sure he needed a bigger estate. Somebody has to pay.After Moon Bean stole money from cities in Caly for redevelopment (city beautification) the company my son worked for went out. Me now does computer tech
 for Concordia University so no big paying side jobs. Son never gave me any coupon from HF ether. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2020 at 2:20pm
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I don't mind their sockets and hand tools cause they stand behind them and will give you a new one if it breaks. What I'm really after is the FREE things. Especially the small light. They are LED's and are really bright. You HAVE to buy something to use it, but you can buy the cheapest thing and get it. Like the snap off blade knife, $0.79. I take a pic of the coupon with my cell phone, that way you get to use it over and over. If you present the paper coupon, they mark through it or toss it so you can't use it again. Yeah Shamers, you can't get 50% of anything that costs too much, only the cheap stuff. What, you think they want to lose money? OH CHIT, I forgot the bestest part......... I'd a LOVED to have been there to see you so hoppin mad!!  WHEW!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 9:37am
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I never pay any attention to any coupons from any place! ---they are a scam. The HF here has a lady manager that gives me decent discounts ,--coupon or not. --Shameless,---get on the good side of the store manager, bud!--It pays! LOL!!!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 10:18am
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bought 2 boattrailer tires - cupon only good for one item - so clerk says just buy one - come back into store to get the other but use the other register and use cupon there for second one at the discount ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 1:28pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
chaskaduo wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:56pm
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Can someone call that HF store and see if they have a camera on the checkout stand ? GET THAT FILM of Shameless throwing the FIT and post it on You Tube with a link from here !!! I need to see that !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 6:53pm
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Horror Fright is what they are- cheap junk, with lotsa' gotchas. Remember- the tools you're buying, are copies of bona-fide products that the Chinese obtained from US. You might get stuff that works, but they want it to SELL. Realize, that 'return for free replacement' is not what it seems to be: If you have a broken tool, and you bring it back for free replacement, that means you're a customer that's walking in through the door. Another opportunity to sell you more. Sometimes, what you THINK is good customer service in one respect, is simply a lure. I buy cheap tools when I know I'll either need to use them once, or expect to have them stolen, lost, or damaged on a job. When I NEED them to survive, and last, and work well, I go elsewhere. By far, the worst injury I get from cheap tools, is flaking chrome plating... it slices right through leather gloves, and leaves tiny, sharp fragments buried deep. Cheap tools flake plating from Day One. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: GARY(OH/IN)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 7:08pm
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Thanks for posting the exclusions. Was wandering if I could buy a sale item with it. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 9:55pm
| my bank and myself are still trying to get ahold of anyone at that check checking place. all we both get are puter voices and/or put on hold (forever or until we hang up). |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 10:20pm
| I did find out that TSC and Wally World use the same check company, and I wrote checks at both those places right after being at HF, and my checks were not denied at those places. PfffffT! |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 1:20am
| In the 50+ years I have been writing checks I had never had one returned or denied. I did haves some kid steal my check book last summer at our local farmers market. I closed that account the next day. And opened another 1 at the same time. The account # they gave me had been someone else's #. Those people had written some bad checks. When I wrote my next check at Menards my check was denied. They could not tell me the reason it was denied, but the cashier gave me a phone # to call. It had a 12 hour waiting period. I did call them the next day and explained what happened. They told me to have the bank take the bad check notification off the checking account # they gave me. I called the bank, spoke to the cute young lady that set up the account. Her mom and dad used to carry her into the tire shop when she was a baby. She apologized profusely, said she completely overlooked ticking the box on the computer screen. Just a tick of the box fixed everything. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 2:37am
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That's what Shameless needs, a cute young lady and some ticks!! That'll fix it right up! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 9:02am
An maybe 'fix' him too...  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 10:41am
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They prolly know about his pretty machine. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 11:31am
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Posted By: Ron Eggen
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 9:58pm
| That fine print caught me too before Christmas while trying to purchase a floor jack. |
Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 10:44pm
| The last time I was in HF They asked me for a phone number and I told them that I don't give out my number and they said if I didn't give them a number they couldn't ring up the items I had I told the lady that was fine with me as I was walking out the door and that was three years ago they can just kept there junk |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 1:35am
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C'mon Kenny, she just wanted to be able to call you sometime and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well, meet for a beer or something.....or something..... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 9:22am
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Ted she'd of prolly broke during first use. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 11:10am
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 6:45pm
| Shameless, your check issue aside(I must admit that's an odd one), do you or any of the other posters put Menards "quality/pricing shenangiguns" better than H/F ?? BTW, I go into BOTH places with green cash to avoid getting behind someone that has issues with check/card. I know it's not you,just been "my" experience(had a quart of ice cream melt while the person ahead of me made the cashier run their card 5 times- they ended up leaving with nothing). I also don't mess around with the H/F coupons, to "me" it's not worth the hassel, IMO,their prices are cheap enough. BTW, to anyone "in-the-know", does Snap-On,Cornwell, etc. offer coupons?? Like I said, your right about the check deal, hope you can update with your outcome on that. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 8:56pm
Yep...I asked about that when I wanted to buy a Central Machinery lathe, because I'd never seen all those exclusions before...the store clerk I talked to said they added a lot of stuff to the exclusion list about 3 months ago, so I needed to see if I could find an old coupon. Didn't have any as luck would have it.
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Posted By: GARY(OH/IN)
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2020 at 11:30pm
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I have a tenant that says he's never used a coupon. Doesn't want the hassle. Then again he makes $1500+ a week driving truck. I wouldn't want the hassle of the hours he works. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 8:16am
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hmm, I'm wondering just WAHT you could buy with that coupon ! probably not worth the paper it's printed on ? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 2:34am
| now...today i'm putting the HF cabinet I got...together...find out it's missing an internal divider piece. doors can't be mounted without that piece. I see a number to call if this has happened, I call it and they are closed, said to call back before 2:30 PM. PfffffT! that's after I hafta press a bunch of buttons on the phone directing me to where I think I needed to go! |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 9:05am
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Yep, when it rains it pours, standard operating procedure. The part will take 4 to 6 weeks to get here from China.
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 9:22am
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Hey Shameless,,,,,,,well,,what you taught me,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,, was to take it back to the store,,,,THROW the whole friggin thing on the floor,,,,,,,,,,,,and,,,,, and MAKE them give you another one,,,!!!!! Mention that your Good Buddy in New Mexico actually KNOWS one of the VP's ,,,AND the owner ,,,,,,,thet should do it,,,,,,,Good Luck,,,!!! You can thank me later,,,
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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 11:17am
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I had the missing parts problem on my shop press, took the whole mess back to the store, manager lady opened another box and gave me the parts I needed for mine and says "sorry " you had to make another trip! The stores really don't have any control over missing parts and missing parts seams to be a BIG problem. ---Shameless,--take it back, talk to the manager,--NOT clerks, about it. They should fix you up without any BS! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 7:34pm
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UMMMmmmmm,,hey AC,,,what store did you say that was,,,,,so all us fine people don't go to thet store and buy the same item and get "YOUR" return with the missing part,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 10:25pm
| I would take it back, but it's a 70 mile trek to the store, if I gotta go back to that city for something else, i'll take it back then if I can't get satisfaction off the phone. the big tool box I bought from there, I gotta put the wheels on it. got it tipped back, the wheels on and now I ain't strong nuff to tip the box back upright on its wheels. PffffT! that's one heavy sucker! guess i'll hafta go to town and find a dude with a strong back and weak mind to help me! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 10:30pm
| oh...and I don't get excited with Menards coupons, I do watch their ads off and on, but when I need something, I just go buy it. it'll be the same way at HF from now on too. PfffffT! |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 8:54am
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Shameless, do you have and engine hoist? Put a strap around the box and lift the box with the engine hoist.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 9:31pm
| yeah Clay...I gots an engine hoist, brand new ina box in my big shop. to get it inside my cook shack would be...well it would really suck! plus they don't roll well on dirt. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 9:37pm
| called HF in Ca today, was on hold about 17 minutes when I finally heard a females voice come on, I asked her if she was a real live person? I musta heard 25 or more ads of theirs while waiting. anyways...after explaining it all to her she says they don't have extra parts for that cabinet, and I should return it to the store where I bought it, said they might have a damaged cabinet there I can get the part I need or just exchange it for a different cabinet. I then called the store where I bought this one, told person there all about it and told them what corp. said. she said to bring it back and exchange it, I called them because i wanted to be sure they had another cabinet, they did and she said she'd hold it for me. I also asked if they would open up the boxes to make sure everything was there before I left, they said they would do that! sooooo...we'll see... |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 11:54pm
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Sheesh!! I only have to go about 5 miles to our HF and I hate to do it......even with all the free junk they give away. I have the handle of a 3 ton floor jack that the end came out of and I just need that. Nope, bring the whole thing in, we'll exchange it. So,,,,,,,,,,all the way to the farm and bring the darn thing back. Pfffftt. I don't even bother shopping Menard's any more. I get better quality and I get the sale price and don't have to go through that 11% crap. I told my buddy about it, he's a district manager, and told him because of that crap I won't shop there anymore. If they gave me the 11% right now, I'd come back. Used to be one of my favorite stores. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 9:25pm
| o-k...so I got the exchange and checked out if all the pieces were there. they were and off to home I go...AGAIN! started putting it together about 3 PM today, got it finished about 9 PM...that was a SUCKER to put together! PfffffT! it is a lot move solid with the 1/4 in bolts I bought to put it together with. but trying to put the doors on was the bummer! they have studs to go in holes top and bottom, and the top and bottom panels hold the doors on. try to hold (in line), pound, and hold the top cover down to put the bolts in all at the same time....PffffT! now I find there are no holes for the mounting brackets to bolt to, gonna hafta measure out and drill (self tapping screws) into it to hang it, I see i'll also hafta mount a bumper board to the wall at the bottom of the cabinet. I really should have a chat with the designer of this cabinet! |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:57am
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Is this cabinet the new Yukon 46" mobile with wood top one? A nice looking unit. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2020 at 7:11pm
| Old gal bought a green house several years ago. It took me a couple of years or more to get around to putting it together. Parts were missing. I went back to H.F. and talked to the manager. She took an employee out to the back warehouse and opened up a new unit. She gave me everything I needed out of that box. I told her I did not want to get her in trouble with corporate. She said they would repackage the box they opened, send it back as missing parts. It must happen somewhat often. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2020 at 11:44pm
| no Chas...I looked at that one, but didn't think it would fit my needs, yes it is a nice looking cabinet. this hanging one is a US General brand, all black, 3 doors with locks. the old lady....ooooops...I mean the loving wife likes this one too, she says I should buy more of them and hang them clear across the back wall (18 ft side), told her she could put the $%&#*$^@ together then! lol |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2020 at 7:14am
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Yes that was a good call, as you've got to much cookin comin up for those honey do kind of things. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2020 at 8:56pm
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Your's must me handier than mine buddy cause there's NO WAY my wife could put one of those together!!!!! You've got yourself a wonderful gal there!! Lucky. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |