How would you define "One Owner"???
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Topic: How would you define "One Owner"???
Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Subject: How would you define "One Owner"???
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:13pm
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I hope you all can follow this. The events are factual, but I did not include the names of the people and company's involved. I just want to get a good discussion going. I bought an Allis tractor from a friend. I had no idea how many owners it had previous. I played with it for about a year and consigned it in a local auction. It didn't meet the reserve. After the sale I was contacted by an individual who collects/jockeys tractors and sold it to him. He owned it for about 6 years and put it his collection reduction auction. It sold to a company who jockeys farm equipment and was placed in one of thier consignment sales about two months later. It was then sold to a company who collects/jockeys vintage equipment. It is now for sale by that company, and advertised as a "one-owner" tractor. I attended the two auctions after I sold it and nothing was said about it being a "one-owner" tractor when put on the block. I certainly made no such statement when I sold it. I get a good chuckle every time I see the ad. To each his own, and it is a free country, but I wonder if passing down a tractor or piece of equipment from auction to auction still constitutes calling something "one owner"? Discuss! ------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires! |
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:24pm
| What does one owner amount to? First owner could have been the roughest operator in the country and second fixed every thing the first tore up. MACK |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:36pm
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Yes Mack me and my father joke about that to, as a farmer near us was the roughest guy we ever seen, and bought things new over time. But hay that's one owner. As to what steelwheels story is, that's interesting and sad that auctioneers get away with that. |
Posted By: 34 Airflow
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:43pm
Maybe they mean currently one owner? ------------- 1937 Model A, 1937 Model U, 1929 United, 1945 Model C, 1949 WF, 1948 WC, 1956 D272 and a Roto Baler http://www.australianallischalmersregistry.com/ |
Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:49pm
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I don't agree with the auction companies use of the term but it is an auction company! On the one owner question...if you buy something from the son of the late father that bought it new is it still one owner? How about if the son bought it at the old mans retirement auction...still one owner? |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 9:56pm
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I call that a one family owned. Whats our D17 called. My grandfather sold it new from his dealership next door to his brother who didn't have kids and told dad everything's yours. Still on the same property lol |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 4:36am
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My favorite is when the big-headed auctioneer says "ride and drive, boys"... WTF does that even mean? ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Phil48ACWC
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 5:20am
| There's a guy up the road from me that beats the daylights and neglects everything he owns. If he bought it new or not, when he's done with it, it's junk. I wouldn't buy anything from this guy. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 5:31am
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The only person that can sell a 'one' owner tractor to me is the person that actually bought it new,and if that person consigned it to an auction then that'd be the only time an auctioneer could truthfully say its a One Owner.Private sellers do the same thing too all he time.Sort of like a 'New Tractor' only person that owns a new tractor is a dealer once its sold its a Used Tractor.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 5:49am
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I bought a 220 fwd from the son of the original owner three weeks after his Dad died. I call that a one owner tractor even though I didn't buy it directly from the original owner. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 6:07am
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NO tractor can be called 'one owner'. It was originally owned by the manufacturer. They are the owner. When it's sold, the first buyer is really the second owner. Yeah I'm picking nits..... Now IF an auction house says 'one owner', in print is nice, demand to se the original Bill of Sale.........just don't hold your breath. On the other hand I am in possession of a ONE OWNER, lady driven '67 Mustang. Have the original ownership in front of me here, somewhere.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 6:25am
| Was a mechanic WAAYY too long, used to see machines I had worked on that were listed as 'One Owner' that I KNEW were not. Would have friends looking for reasonable ride or truck or tractors and would steer them onto those with the LIST of previous owners. Discounts can be pretty dramatic when a sales yard is caught in a lie. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 6:40am
So if/when you sell it, it's a 3 owner car. Ford, the lady, you.....Never seen that advertising gimmick! Do you put 2 owner mustard on your hot dogs? Or is that 3, French's, the store, then you? Somehow I don't like the thought of eating 3 owner mustard.
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jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 7:02am
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At any auction it’s BUYER BEWARE!!! If you understand that almost all auctioneers are crooks, you’ll be careful accordingly. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 8:34am
By your definition you have a 3 owner Mustang(LOL)
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Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 8:43am
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When something is sold as ride and drive that means if there are engine or trans problems you do not need to pay for the tractor. You can not reject it for things like lights not working or a loose tie rod but if the trans makes noises or slips or jumps out of gear you can let it set. Local auction company sells like that but you have to check them out right away during the sale before they leave the lot. I rejected a tractor for a pto that would not work and have seen several IH's rejected because of bad torques. When bidding on an IH or an Allis I like to make sure they are being sold as ride and drive if nothing is said about the trans before selling it. Tom |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 8:48am
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Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 9:01am
lol... now apply that reasoning to homes. Aren't real-estate salespeople just "used house salesmen?" I recently said that to an acquaintance who was on a major ego trip at a recent gathering; he very proudly announced that he had just sold 4 "new" homes that month. I knew the ones he'd sold, the "newest" was built in the 70's. Anyways, just a matter of perspective.  At least we all (him included) got a laugh out of it.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 9:18am
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I think the one owner claim is not real without the new tractor sales slip. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: mhankins
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 9:50am
Maybe they meant it only had one owner at the time of sale,instead of 2 or 3 partners?! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 10:37am
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I bought my 7050 from the farmer who bought it new. No paperwork to prove it and he has passed on but my dad had known him since the 1960's. Everyone will just have to take my word on it cause that's the best I can do........... On second thought the dealership he bought it from is still around....... maybe they have the 1974 sale ticket? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 10:46am
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I'm a simple man. One owner means that one person (or corp/partnership) has owned the tractor since it was sold as new by the dealership. Full stop. I have seen people use the term: "One family owned" and assuming it is true, that's fine, but if more than one person has owned it, it's not "one owner". ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 10:50am
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I used to like mustard!!!!! Lol ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 12:14pm
| You're buying something used and they are trying to add value to it in order to make it worth more. In the antique and art world it's called provenance. Which entails proof. Anything else is hot air. It's similar to the grade versus Registered stock. A lot of people will sell you fancy bloodlines and get all huffy when you start talking about conformation and performance. |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 1:08pm
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I have four AC tractors that I can document back to the original owner but I don't call any of them "one owner" tractors. I have a 1950 AC B that I bought from the man (a WW II vet) who bought it new and I have the original Bill of Sale. I have a 1953 AC CA that I bought from the original owner. I have a 1957 AC D-14 that I bought from the son (my brother in law) of the original owner (my late father in law) and I have a 1944 AC WC (Old Herc) that I bought from the son of the original owner. Just knowing the history of these tractors is of value to me but I don't see it as adding any monetary value to the tractors. I do like to include the history of each tractor on a sign I place when showing them and I will tell anyone who will listen that they will be sold by my heirs, not me. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 1:38pm
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Actually my mom's Mustang is still registered to her, though she passed in 86. Dang that was 1/2 my liftime ago. I never got around to changing the ownership(more important stuff' going on at the time.. so it's still a 2 owner vehicle.... Up here cars are privately sold with a $20 'package' that shows the ownership history ,liens, and major( reported) accidents. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 1:46pm
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I think "one owner" is easy enough to understand.......that is the person who bought it new from the dealer. When kids inherit it, that clouds things a bit, but if it is still on the same farm and is doing the same duty for the same family......that is close. Two terms I don't understand.......(but used by every auctioneer on the planet)..... What is a "straight tractor"? What is meant by "it runs out well".......tractor or equipment?
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 2:37pm
People who have passed in '86 can own things? Canada a strange place. You own it, just haven't registered as such. Possession 9/10's of the law ya know.....Just jerkin' your chain a little.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 2:39pm
I LOVE (*cough*) that "runs out well" or "runs out like it should" !!! Yes indeed, wth does that mean? The throttle works?!
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Posted By: BEK
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 3:26pm
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A few years back I bought a 1950 AC B. It had been in the same family since it was bought brand new. Technically, I did not buy it from the "original owner". However, I do consider myself to be the Second Owner! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 4:01pm
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I own a 1953 WD that was bought by a man who died shortly after purchasing it new and before he could use it. It was then purchased several years later by another man from the widow. I then bought it from that man after a lifetime of use. It was run hard and put away wet. Still an interesting story and I wish I would have written it all down. It's on the list for restoration some day. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: OldSchoolRecovery
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 4:18pm
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The only one who lies more than a car (tractor) salesman is an Army recruiter.. Just sayin, Carl |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2019 at 6:10pm
Truer words were ne'er spoken, for the most part. Caveat emptor is the phrase of the day!!! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 7:19am
------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 10:51am
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This type thing, helps a lot. I can only assume that it came from a family that cared about this owner but, I don't know! But, it's a prized possession to me. (note the cost of antifreeze in 1955) This tractor (even though it's a Ford) is exactly as it came from the dealer, with the exception of 14.9's on the original wheels. I bought this tractor, last April and curiously, there was no mention of one owner by the auctioneer (one of the more reputable in my area) but, there is one auction company, that I would not believe a word they said!!! They scammed me twice and I never went to another auction by them!  ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 11:53am
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Anti-freeze for $40? Was that coolant or tire ballast? I'm guessing ballast for $40. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 1:49pm
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A lot of folks on here, when mentioning a recent acquisition, refer to it as "my new tractor, at least new to me tractor". I guess that would make them the first owner! I feel that way about my D14, especially with the amount of fixin I have done on it! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 2:01pm
My guess is that it's for the Engine as, Calcium would be much more likely for the tires. I was a auto mechanic from 1962 - 1970, I think Ethylene Glycol was a pretty new thing, in though days ('55) and that's why it may have been so expensive. I also remember that it enhanced electrolysis and caused holes in aluminum, that came in contact with the cooling system, especially the timing cover! ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 2:40pm
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That was certainly a high price ........... must be why my grandpa always drained the water every day in the fall ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 3:35pm
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A years back i bought a 1974 Noeron 850 cc Mk2 roadster from a fellow i worked with - he bought it new and rode it for about 4,000 miles - on purchasing it I returned it to factory stock - replacing extended forks, seat, front fender, tires, turn signals, - so right now I still concider it one owner / as it is now in same condition it was delivered to dealer in or close to it . ( If I sell it i would state I bought it from origional owner to restore ) Now if something was bought new and only used by first owner for farming and became a collectors project - might call it used by one owner - ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: Kurzy
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 5:24pm
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Howdy All, If tractors had titles like autos then you would know what ONE OWNER MEANS !!!! Kurzy
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Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2019 at 5:36pm
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$40 for engine coolant, billed separately on a new sale, in 1955? No way. Just because we commonly call engine coolant "antifreeze" today doesn't mean that's what that invoice meant. Tires, I can understand. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 1:06am
There of course no way to know for sure but, alcohol was used a lot for "antifreeze" at and before 1955, maybe they used JD, not the tractor but, Jack Daniels Maybe that was why it cost so much!!!I was 10 years old, most of 1955, My Dad was born in 1908 and was a mechanic, before me. At 15 years old (1960, I was way into cars by then) I had never heard of Ethylene Glycol but, when I started as a mechanic (1962), it was in the newer cars. I think MOPAR was one of the first to use it, in production cars. That's why my assumption that if it was Ethylene Glycol, it may have been very expensive. Another point is that why would a farmer use Ethylene Glycol in tires that could spill in the field and maybe cause problems with crops or animals. He bought wheel weights, maybe instead of loading the tires and if it where me, I'd op for calcium for the tires for more weight for my buck. I'm sure that calcium would have been cheaper at that time, too. But, who knows.................  ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 4:38am
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As long as we're speculatin, it could be windshield washer fluid (methanol) in the tires, that price would sound about right... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 8:46am
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So what if bill of sale has 2 names on it , and " one owner " means from time it was bought new from dealer . Then that means from time it was sold from dealer it was not a ONE OWNER PURCHASE
------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 9:50am
Yeah, who knows. My only point is that whatever it was "anti-freeze" just means something to keep it from freezing. It could have been anything to keep something from freezing. It doesn't mean one specific chemical and that amount says: "tires" to me. ...but of course, it's all speculation. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 11:11am
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Probably regular old anti freeze for one year. I mean it is for a FORD!!! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 5:28am
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went to look at a truck at a dealer and the salesman must have said it was a one owner truck a dozen times, took it for a test drive looked in the glove box and found a registration card, owned by a coal company....yea, one owner, 50 different drivers, probly never out of 4 wheel drive and beat to death....but one owner.... ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |