Cleaning and prepping, install has begun
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Topic: Cleaning and prepping, install has begun
Posted By: JW in MO
Subject: Cleaning and prepping, install has begun
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 8:11pm
Simpson, my 57 CA, is getting a heart transplant. This motor popped up a while back, the guy hadn't gotten any offers. Said it ran strong but came out of a C with a bad rear end and transmission. Hope it holds up until I get a look at the old one, it developed a serious lower engine knock at Don(MO)'s plow day.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 8:19pm
JW, We need some pictures as you progress! Good luck with your CA project transplant! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 11 May 2019 at 10:24pm
JW in MO wrote:
Simpson, my 57 CA, is getting a heart transplant. This motor popped up a while back, the guy hadn't gotten any offers. Said it ran strong but came out of a C with a bad rear end and transmission. Hope it holds up until I get a look at the old one, it developed a serious lower engine knock at Don(MO)'s plow day. So are you going to bring her back for the next plowday to test the new to you engine out? 
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------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 9:12am
Going to experiment on this one a bit, going to rebuild the generator with new field coils and switch it over to 12v. I'll still have the alternator off Simpson in the shop in case it wears out too quick, just keep extra brushes on hand. If it works, the WC is next. Hey Don, look what I found for the CA, now for the retrofit.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 12 May 2019 at 9:40am
That will make the mighty CA repowered with the new to you engine talk again! Don't forget to spin the rear wheels out all the way to hitch it up.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 11:05pm
Some people have all the luck!! Yes, PICS along the way!! I wanna see some blood and scraped knuckles...
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2019 at 6:45pm
So how's that new to you engine coming along.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 16 May 2019 at 10:03am
Don(MO) wrote:
So how's that new to you engine coming along. | Well now Don, for crying out loud, I just got it washed, it's gonna have to cure for a a bit before I start installing it. Had to let Simpson cure for a year before investigating the knock.  Actually I am moving stuff around in the shop as the WC and U are in sick bay, but curing sounds better. I think after 12 years, the wife is catching on the the "curing," process.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 9:55pm
Moved the U out of sick bay for a bit, and even used the 720 to pull Simpson in to place.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 10:02pm
Bolts are broke loose, old motor is ready to come off. Didn't loose near as much religion as I expected getting the nose off. Kind of surprising to see how little the front end is held together, things could go to worms in a hurry if a person wasn't careful.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 11:37pm
sooooooo...how are you gonna get the hoist holder I-beams away from the tractor?
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 7:55am
The job will go faster if you keep in this mind the CA is held together with nuts and bolts.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 20 May 2019 at 9:45am
That gantry crane was made special to replace ammonia compressors, it;s narrow to fit between the racks. It wouldn't fit on the outside of the front tires due to the wheel position locks that somebody mounted on the inside. The gantry was there just to hold the motor steady, rolled the front axle away with the engine hoist.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 21 May 2019 at 9:40pm
Swapped the clutch from the old motor and got the new to me motor bolted up. These little tractors are a might easier to work on than old big ones. Went out to the bone yard and pulled a 12v generator off my old industrial parts M diesel, bolted up fine, have to redo the bracket for tension but then I noticed the bolt for the pulley sticks out too far and would hit the fan, oh well, maybe it will work on the WC. Back to the generator rebuild. Got a slight problem with radiator, the shroud has come unsoldered from he tank, someone JB welded the one on my other CA. Also there is a brass plate approximately 1-1/2" by 3" floating around inside the top tank, I guess it was once mounted just below the neck. Haven't tried to get it out yet.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 5:04pm
SIMPSON IS ALIVE!!! But not without a couple of glitches. I moved the whole governor and housing along with the distributor and installed 12v windings in the generator. I made the mistake of reading my I&T manual to set the timing, would have worked but it would have put the rotor 180 degrees out from all my other AC tractors so I closed the book and did it the way I've always done it and away she went, a little too fast but I don't think it rolled over a full revolution when she fired. The head is shaped different on Simpson's new motor and was impeding the governor rod so a couple of bends later, she purrs like a kitten. I did avoid disaster, pulled the plugs out of the new to me motor and what a horror of a sight, put the kibosh on that real quick.
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 5:30pm
What a horror of a sight, that's funny. 
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 6:03pm
Yea, what a horror to the wife watchin Simpson the AC CA jumpin around like a deer and over the fence with JW hangin on...
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 6:19pm
JW in MO wrote:
SIMPSON IS ALIVE!!! But not without a couple of glitches. I moved the whole governor and housing along with the distributor and installed 12v windings in the generator. I made the mistake of reading my I&T manual to set the timing, would have worked but it would have put the rotor 180 degrees out from all my other AC tractors so I closed the book and did it the way I've always done it and away she went, a little too fast but I don't think it rolled over a full revolution when she fired. The head is shaped different on Simpson's new motor and was impeding the governor rod so a couple of bends later, she purrs like a kitten. I did avoid disaster, pulled the plugs out of the new to me motor and what a horror of a sight, put the kibosh on that real quick. |
I'd list them dang things on E bay and they will bring more than a new set of good plugs. lmao
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 27 May 2019 at 7:56pm
Glad that Simpson is alive and well! Those plugs oughta be illegal......and surely are on an AC forum! 
------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 29 May 2019 at 9:56pm
I was going to blame Don(MO), he warned me, "watch that front end, that SOB will flip over on ya." Sure enough, rolling it across the floor, over it went! As I was contemplating the easiest way to flip it back over I noticed a couple of issues, #1 someone welded the front back together and not very well, then#2, I noticed it wasn't centered either so tomorrow out comes the hot wrench, grinder and welder.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 7:07am
OK JW I'll take the hit. lol I'm not going to say I told you so because that's just plane hateful and now you have seen it first hand. lmao I'm happy it didn't get you when it rolled over!
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 7:42am
Good shots of the front on the floor! Yes glad you didn't get injured! Sounds like you have a plan to improve the weld joints and get it correct! You will be happy when its fixed right too! I like that stuff! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 30 May 2019 at 8:18am
Yep proof God moves in mysterious ways. 
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2019 at 6:49pm
My OCD is why all my tractors aren't done, I think the only cure for it is a coffin. After taking the front end apart I noticed the pivot bolt was almost a 1/2" off center. A quick look at the other CA confirmed it wasn't supposed to be that way. It appears to have alway's been that way, no sign of being moved. Once again, the cut off blade in the grinder, hammer and cole chisel and got it off. Marked center of both pieces, set everything back under the tractor, aligned and then marked it, took it back out to weld and everything fits like its supposed to.
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2019 at 7:42pm
You had that one of a kind off center wishbone and you took the rare right away! Looks like a good solid job though.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2019 at 8:45pm
Jim, Now that looks like something I would do too! Nice work bringing it back to spec! Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2019 at 7:46am
O-no now you have changed the wheel base so now the left side will be longer than the right side and the tractor will not plant corn in a straight line! lmao
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 8:19pm
Front end is back under Simpson, neighbor across the street is a welder, I tack welded it in place, added a few c-clamps and drove it over there and I dare say the welds from the factory don't look that good. Now to install the radiator to see if my repair will hold or if it has to go to the radiator shop. If it holds I'll post pictures, if it doesn't, . . . . . . . well . . . . . . we'll just pretend it never happened!
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2019 at 6:46pm
By jumpin jehosaphats my radiator repair worked, finally got around to getting it together tonight and my part worked just fine, however the shaft seal is leaking on the water pump but we're going to give it a few days first. The baffle slash splash guard or whatever they call it that sits at an angle inside the radiator top tank to keep the water from directly hitting the radiator cap broke loose and had fallen, blocking off about a third of the radiator. It would slide side to side but covered the entire width of the core so I found a piece of copper pipe the size of the inside diameter of the inlet neck, took my die grinder to it, pushed it inside the and soldered it to the radiator inlet holding the baffle up at the right angle then drilled and screwed it to my newfangled bracket. Seems to be holding up just fine. I can only imagine the conversation if and when somebody finds it in the future.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:49pm
Swapped water pumps, problem solved, now, generator isn't genning. I put in new field coils, they ohm out OK, didn't replace the brushes, looked plenty good and are making contact but of course I can't directly see the third one now. I flashed it and everything but back to the drawing board.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 5:55pm
It's done and headed to the show this coming weekend. Didn't properly polarize the generator, test showed -27.5v when I rev'd up the engine so went the long route with the belt off and WALAH, works like it should. Put the hood on, added lights, and now waiting to pick up a new muffler but for now, using the under the hood one that came new motor.
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 8:20pm
JW, a word of caution, keep the engine at idle, slip the clutch then feed fuel slowly until you get to operating speed! Since you took the antitorque steer out of the 'wishbone' a quick goose of the gas and that thing will be all over the field!
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 9:26pm
Thanks for letting us know it run's again, now we can all sleep tonight. lol What was it three years ago the old engine let go?
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 9:44pm
Don(MO) wrote:
Thanks for letting us know it run's again, now we can all sleep tonight. lol What was it three years ago the old engine let go? | Naw, it was just the other day.😜
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 6:42am
LouSWPA wrote:
JW, a word of caution, keep the engine at idle, slip the clutch then feed fuel slowly until you get to operating speed! Since you took the antitorque steer out of the 'wishbone' a quick goose of the gas and that thing will be all over the field! | Must be very careful with my new powerhouse.
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