Interesting Truck
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Topic: Interesting Truck
Posted By: Ranse
Subject: Interesting Truck
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 10:07am
I've been eyeing this truck for the longest. It's sitting at a salvage yard in Cookeville, TN, perhaps that's were it needs to stay. I see it every time I go to Cookeville to get parts. For some reason I like this truck. I think the reason is it has the ugliest hood design I think Chevy ever made. I'd love to restore this thing good enough to haul tractors to tractor shows. It's different, I believe it would be an eye catcher. I had to check it out the other day. Unbelievably, they're asking $2,000. The guy won't budge, he says it's a rare truck It's just a hull. No motor, transmission, drive shaft, or radiator. The front tires are also rotted, rears may be useable.  Body pretty decent, some rust holes here and there. The missing sheet metal pieces are in the cab. It says Viking on it. I think it once had some kind of dump bed on it.  Inside looks pretty good. Doors shut solid, and windows still roll up and down.  Short frame, but I like that because I would want to use it to pull a goose neck. It has a huge rear end. It should pull, but I'm not sure if it would be compatible with a modern engine and transmission. This truck is just a pipe dream I guess. I really don't have the know how to fix her up like I would want. It would probably have to be modernized some to be road worthy. I'm not even sure what kind of engine to use. My first guess is a 350 Chevy with a granny 4 speed. It would probably have to be modified regardless what you used. Does anyone know what kind of motor this truck may originally had? I'd just like to hear some ballpark opinions on what it would take to get this truck back on the road, and maybe the cost. Starting at 2 grand, I'm guessing at least 10. Thanks |
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Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 11:15am
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We had a GMC that was that body style. We had a grain body on it. If I remember right, I think it had a 305 V6. ------------- On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's) |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 11:36am
 This is my 63 with 67000 miles. 292 6cyl. Works great around close. If I were building a hauler ,the cab is all that would be original and as fat as I am I don't think I'd use this one. Used to be some guyes down your way that towed with 2 old trucks, Macks maybe, had all allis chalmers and were a show going down the road. Was it Yates? Man my memory is bad.... ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: weiner
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 11:47am
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Back in the day I delivered chicken and cow feed with a 2 ton GMC truck with a V6, it run good, had lots of power, amazing gas mileage, but once a year we had to do a valve job on it. $2000 sounds like a lot of money, but it would sure be an unusual truck. As far as it would probably have to be modernized some to be road worthy, yes for safety sake, but back then there were no emissions so I don`t think the government could make you put it on. If by some reason you decided that you didn`t like it, some drag racer would like it to pull their race car to the track. Maybe some one right here on this site would be interested. I would think any Chevy engine and 4 speed tranny would sit in there without any problem.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 12:25pm
| All Chevrolet mounts and bell housings engine to engine all sizes were the same until got into the heavy trucks, heavier than these. Car Pickup or up to 2 1/2 ton truck would interchange like matched puzzle pieces. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 12:48pm
| Best would be a 350 with a 700r4. update the brakes and add power steering. a sm465 would bot in and the shifter would come up thru the same hole but you wouldn't have an overdrive or the tranny mounted E brake. so you'd need to fill the brake hole in the tunnel anyway. the originals were non syncro in 1st Rev and 2nd. if you go with a 87 to 95 you would get a TBI instead of a carb they run much better and are easy to setup. |
Posted By: AndyT GA
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 2:10pm
| My vote would be a 301 or 426 turbo diesel and a 5 speed behind it. That way Allis pulls Allis to the shows. Torch and a welder anything will fit. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 3:57pm
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Ranse, I have similar problems from time to time. If this is something you want get it. The intial cost is about what I would expect for what i see. Thanks for the pictures. Cant help you on the drive line. Get the truck the rest will fall into place. Hey its fishing season. Get up here! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 4:46pm
X2. Great idea, Andy. Think the 292 six was one engine option for it, plenty of torque but not much top end. I hauled logs with a 1962 with that engine, 4 spd, 2 spd rear end. IRR it has a torsion bar on the front instead of leaf springs. Empty the 2 V8 Fords would leave it behind but with a load it would walk away from either one of them. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
AndyT GA wrote:Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 6:52pm
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There was something about the Viking that was special but I don't remember what. Maybe a bigger engine or something? Pretty sure it was more than a trim package ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 7:15pm
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I favor your idea. I own a 66’ C60, 327, 4speed, 2speed rearend. Love it. Worse part about it is the old “Widow Maker” two piece 20” wheel rims. They’re outlawed now, so no tire shop will fix them. Tire shop recommended that I get a set of the new 19.5” truck wheels to comply. Cost of wheels was more than value of truck then. That was about 12 years ago. May want to check into it before you get in deep? I also like the idea of the AC 301 coupled to 4 speed. Good luck. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 7:30pm
I first thought this was just a 2 ton truck. The guy told me it's a rare Viking. I googled Viking trucks. I think they were dump trucks. If you look closely at my last pic, you can see a box between the frame rails. This box had a short PTO shaft hanging from it. I'm just guessing, I really didn't find out much. Maybe someone else knows more. The wife is on board with me getting this truck. My biggest worry is I would be in over my head. $2000 I think is a lot for this truck if it was drivable. If I had to bail on it, I'm 100% certain I would lose money on it. This truck is at a salvage yard, were people take scrap metal. I bet someone brought it in and sold it for scrap, now he's trying to get two grand. |
Posted By: JoeO(C-MO)
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 7:50pm
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We had a GMC Pickup. a V6 engine, 4 speed. The bigger engine was a V12, twice as long. The pickup V6 would really run, slow on getting RPM's. ------------- D10 III, D15 II 3 pt, D15 II SC, 170 Gas w/shuttle, 175 Diesel UI ROPS, 185 w ROPS. AC 653 w/6 way blade, ROPS AC 615 Ind. WD45 running/Parts. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 8:07pm
I agree 2k is to much and I agree you probably couldn't get your money back. But when you look at it like we do our tractors it really no different. If you go buy a basket case tractor and put it back together your more than likely not going to make anything but you do it because you want to. Go wave 1400 in cash in his face and see what his stance on the truck is then. ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 8:12pm
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Task_Force" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Task_Force According to this page, starting in 1958, all medium duty trucks were called Vikings. I guess it was earlier than that when there was something special about the Viking. I don't know if you told the year of the truck but I believe it's between 1959 and 1961 or 62 (larger trucks usually ran body styles a year longer than 1/2 tons). If that's the case then, according to Wikipedia, there's nothing special about that truck. Might be another bargaining chip to show the owner and say "the truck is a run of the mill truck, nothing special" ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 8:46pm
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Does it have Independent front suspension with torsion bars ? Think they when back to straight front axles in '63. I had a '66 GMC 6500 with a 366 with a 5 & 2. worked good. Traded it on a '65 GMC 72" cab over with the mighty 702 V-12 ! It hauled the mail ! ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 9:11pm
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Think it is either a '60 or '61. The torsion bar suspension might help to make it rare but not more desirable. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 2:36am
| neighbor bought a Viking new, had a 16 ft grain box on it, they used it for a pickup when it wasn't hauling grain. had it til the mid 70's. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 7:50am
| Like Tyler says, wave $1400 in his face, leave a phone number and walk out. Might be surprised! |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 1:08pm
| $2000 is way to much,, watch some auctions, prolly could get a good runner with a hoist and grain box for less than that...from what I see,really less than $500... |
Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 6:35pm
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Check this out Ranse . https://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/d/erwin-67-chevy-1-ton-ramp-truck-v-speed/6841684945.html%20" rel="nofollow - asheville.craigslist.org/cto/d/erwin-67-chevy-1-ton-ramp-truck-v-speed/6841684945.html
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 6:35pm
That's exactly what I was thinking!
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Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 6:40pm
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Dang, that link didn't work. Anyone know how to heat it up. Tim ------------- 1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 11:01pm
| a Viking just sold on an on line auction, i'll try to find it and see what it brought. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 12:09am
| those torsion bars rode good. Might have difficult time sourcing parts for that vintage. Need 70-80's 2 ton chassis with 427 BB and 4 or 5 spd w/2 spd rear to set cab and fenders on! But then 2 grand would be alot for just the body.....but they ain't making them any more?! |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 6:54am
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It's worth whatever the seller can get for it, and buyer is willing to pay. that said, if you are really interested, your best bet is to look around some, you may find a much better deal, either equivalent truck for less, or, a lot more truck (more complete, better condition) for same money. your likelihood of successfully completing such a project is proportional to the fourth power of the condition and completeness of what you started with. To me, that truck is a nonstarter for anybody less than a professional and/or deep pockets ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 7:50am
Very well stated Lou! 
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 9:08am
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Those things with the big inch V6 engines were more of a truck than the later 366 Big block V8 engines were. And as mentioned the V12s would pass everything but a gas pump. I know as I've driven a few of the V12s mated to a 5&3. If you were thinking of a repower you most likely want something with an overdrive as most work trucks back then were geared slow. If you would be looking for a complete running truck, I have a 49 Dodge 2 ton for sale, that I would sell for $2000 as a C&C. This truck has had motor, brake and electrical work, to make it safe to drive. it needs paint and interior work. I have a sale for the body that is currently o the truck, however if someone wanted the truck with the grain body, we could work something out.   ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 10:59am
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If it were me if definitely go with something that had overdrive if I could make it work. We've got a C70 with a 366 and a 5/2 and that thing will run 55 but it's screaming when it does. ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 12:29pm
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Well, here is a pic of the one I had,---It got sent to china melter,--Good running truck, 292 engine, 1960 Viking 60, had the split type front axle, Factory power steering, 4-speed transmission and 2- speed rear axle. -- The gear split was perfect to give an actual 8 speed. Probably didn't get $ 50. for it.--- Sad, BUT I didn't have a choice in the matter.  This was the last pic of it they day they took it. If you can get one, go for it! these are nowhere to be found!---Wish I had mine back!!!!
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 9:00pm
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I have 2 of them here one with working flat bed dump. The one with bed has hauled a million ton flag stone.It has had a hard life. I bought it because of the bed in 81 I thing. But it did haul a good amount of grain for me. I think we kept it wound up to tight,cause it seemed to eat engines. It has big howl in the rear end from bearings being lose sometime in its life. Because 3 different drives in different comditions. But only one of them was a new built as a truck engine. The original to me engine was 289 V8 that was from as mass rebuilder and was a year or 2 old. Then a junk yard 350 the the built 350 and finally a GMC V6 305 from junk truck. Changed the motor mounts and drive line to put the V6 in the other all just bolted up. From what I have been told Chevy big blocks would bolt right in as well. So a engine transmission combo from any Chevy/GMC pickup until the new series engines in late 90 should drop right in. The one truck has a set wheels that are tubeless 7 x 22.5 I think ,they look very narrow anyway. I could always find 9 x 20 easier and mounted myself on the super widow maker 3 piece wheels. Never had one let go but if no cage used a clip on chuck and a lot of log chain to tie it up. I have been around a number of other Chevy/GMC 50,60, and 6500 trucks 1960 and newer all 4 speeds were the same as pickup trucks the 5 speeds were little bigger. None of them were big on power in my book. The 292 straight 6 was not that much less than a 350 or 366. I
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 1:52am
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IMO, the best engine for it was the 472 V6, and while they didn't ever COME with anything like it, a 6pd Allison overdrive transmission would be awesome... as would be about 5psi of boost, an intercooler, and any axle ratio higher than 6:10... 4.56 would be about perfect with a 0.8 overdrive and modern high-speed tires...
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:05am
| I had a 1961 "C 70 with a 348 in it and it would blow the doors off any V6 of roughly the same size, even bigger. It may have been a special motor. I don't know, but it would get 13 MPG running around empty. Didn't check it loaded but it would pack the mail. It was checked by a car pacing it at 90 MPH pulling an empty small car hauler. (old) You would really like the torsion bar suspension because it will out ride any 3/4 ton pickup out there. It had the working 5 speed and two speed rear. It was never out run to my knowledge until it was junked long after I sold it. Dang I miss the old girl, but mostly I miss my youth. Sigh........ Leon |
Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 12:01pm
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A friend of mine had a simalar vintage Viking as a small boxed grain truck. Used it up until the mid-2000s when he was having issues with the brakes, had some sort of uncommen brake syatem- hydra-brake? Half air brake, half fluid system? Anyways it was in good shape and ran great so I was interested in it but checked into fixing the brake system and as he had found out the parts were near impossible to find and expensive.
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