wheel adapters,,,,,??
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Topic: wheel adapters,,,,,??
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: wheel adapters,,,,,??
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 1:07pm
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Them dang 15" tires are dang near impossible to find anywhere anymore,,,, Does anybody know if anybody makes "adapters" to install like 17" wheels which are very popular now,,where the 15" were,,,??
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 1:58pm
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wheel adaptors are not a real good idea... and they adapt one bolt pattern to another.... You just want larger tires/ wheels.......... What is the bolt pattern and what do the wheels fit on......... Example, an old EXPLORER was 4.5 inch bolt pattern ( circle) and had 15 inch rims.. Now you can buy 16- 17-18 inch for the same truck...... Probably same rimes fit a Taurus and Mustang... Sometime bolt patterns don't change for many years within one manufacturer. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:35pm
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hmm...going taller means you need one of two options 1) a lower profile tire( less rubber), so $$ more and they don't last..... 2) raise the body 2-3 inches or else rub-a-dub-dub...especially when turning tight !! you could probably go 16s without problems.. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:39pm
| What are you putting these on ? Never heard of a shortage of 15 inch tires ? |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 3:07pm
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Doug he's near alienville, strange things happen out there, and have ya seen one of them vinegaroons?
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 5:08pm
| Makes sence now ! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 5:09pm
| Joe, I'll sell you a set of pert in near new 15 inch tires, but you have to take the pickup that they are on and all! It's a 91 ford F 150 that my youngest bought from my dad, then second youngest decided to drive it without engine oil in it. Heck, it might be a good project for ya! Darrel |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:06pm
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Joe, you can go as tall as you have the $ for... I can see you right now, STYLIN!!! https://goo.gl/images/FTFdyr" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/images/FTFdyr
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:28pm
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NOW,,,,,,this is my "Cup Of Tea" right here,,,along with similar years of F150's with the race track trim,,,,TOOOoooo Much,,!!!
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:41pm
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Remember when 16" tires were on most cars - then when I had the 35 Ford it had banjo rims - so we would knock the rivits out and then weld the centers into 15" rims . Had a bunch of 49/51 Olds 88 - cars and getting a set of 14" rims as those tires were easier to find then 15" Seems the idea of tire size - tire height - tire width - sure has changed over the years - even on trucks from 20", 22.5", 24", now the super singles and low profile . Yet cars now with 20's is the deal or ???? ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 8:45pm
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Hey Darrel,,,,You are so Gracious ,,,,,and,,,,,and,,,,I'm plumb speechless (well,,almost),,,what say we meet say in,,,,,,let's just see,,,,how bout Roswell,,,,,,and,,,,and,,,I'd buy supper at the only'ist place George Bush ate dinner in New Mexico,,,YES,,that's it,,,!!!!
UMMmm,,,don't forget to get the title,,,,,, |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 8:51pm
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Chit Dave I tried to post a pic of thet nice lookin LIFTED Grey and blue GMC in those pics you posted but never did copy and paste for some reason,,,,,,THAT is bout as high as I like em but no higher or I need a 5 gallon bucket,,,,,, Yeah,,Coke they's every size you can think of any more,,,Chit, my son's new F150 came form the factory with 20's,,,,,,,,
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 9:19pm
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Hey Steve,,you just might of cleared it up for me,,,Ya see my 18' trailer has 245 15" tires and last time I went up to the mountains,,I hurt one of the tires and 3 tire shops later,,,I gave up trying to find a 15" tire for replacement,,,new or used,,, everybody carries 17"s . the hubs on trailer are 6 hole with old Chevy bolt pattern. I was told Chevy never made 6 hole wheels in 17" size is why I thought maybe some adapters to bolt onto the 6 hole hubs I got and be able to mount Ford 5 or 6 bolt 17" wheels,,,,,??? The axles on the trailer are mobile home 9000# and I installed "modified" 6 bolt hubs with the Chevy 15" bolt pattern. CHIT,,if I had known bout how scarce the 15" tires are now,,,I might of gone a different route with those new hubs,,,,, OR,,do you know of other mfgrs that use 6 hole wheels in 17" size that fit on the Chevy bolt pattern??
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 9:27pm
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[QUOTE=desertjoe] Chit Dave I tried to post a pic of thet nice lookin LIFTED Grey and blue GMC in those pics you posted but never did copy and paste for some reason,,,,,,THAT is bout as high as I like em but no higher or I need a 5 gallon bucket,,,,,, Yeah,,Coke they's every size you can think of any more,,,Chit, my son's new F150 came form the factory with 20's,,,,,,,, [/QUOTJust trying to keep the money flowing before the the frugal ones tin can out back rusts away. I ant never heard of it sprouting and growing new, at least not buried in the backyard. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 9:47pm
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What truck(s) have 24" tires on em? I've been looking for some 24" road tires for my CA. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:30pm
| Ted army trucks have 24" tires on them |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:39pm
| Joe the information you received about 6 hole Chevy rims is not quite correct. In my 22 years in the tire shop I sold 1 set of 17" tl tires to an old pal of mine who had a 1960's vintage Chevy pickup. But the rims are very narrow, 6 bolt. They were the only ones I saw in all those years. They are there but finding them, well Good luck. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 11:55pm
| yhe old Chevy step vans had 6 bolt 17 inch wheels/tires on them, was about '68-'70 vintage. and if'n ya wasn't so cheap, you'd go to the auto parts store and order you sum new factory rims in the size you want! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 6:04am
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Toyota 4x4 are 6 bolt. Same storey here trying to find 15” tires and 16’s are just as hard to find. I have a severe dislike for big wheels and small tires. Used to be able to go buy a used tire for farm equipment or trailer in 15” or 16”. Not today. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 6:13am
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hay DJ this... Ya see my 18' trailer has 245 15" tires so really you want TRAILER tires.... (ST series) dang I can buy 15" trailer tires everywhere,usually 100 canucks tire on a 5 on 4.5 white spoke rim ( old ford bolt pattern ), radials are 150. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 9:16am
OUCH, ouch, ouch, OK, Shameless,,,OK,,,I'm thinkin on givin,,,just stop already,,,,!!!! Whew,,he,,,,he,,,he got him a wicked sharp one this mornin,,don't he,,,?? UMMmmm,,,hey,,!! you gots one of them vans you ain't usin,,??? Hey Thad,,I know a guy that has a 1995 Toyota 4X4,,I'll go check his wheels Think I'll spend a couple of hours at my favorite junk yard,,,lookin and measurin,, Hey Jay,,,so THATS what happened to all our 15" tires,,,somebody gathered them up and shipped em north,,,but for why,,??? Anyway,,I'm getting away from them dang 15" tires and goin with something you can find when you blow a tire away from the beaten path,,,,
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shameless dude wrote:Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 9:40am
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hmm.. if you use whatever rims/tires are on the PULLING vehicle you'll always have one extra spare ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 12:49pm
| I have a homemade trailer with trailer house axles and I put white spoke 4x4 rims on it with 31 x10.50 x 15lt tires. You can buy those tires new at farm and fleet last time I checked. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 12:50pm
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My 18" flatbed double L trailer used same wheels/tires as my 85 F-150 truck. I never carried a spare, still don't! Couldn't change one on the road anyway so why drag around all that extra weight! lol!! thanks; ac fleet ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 1:25pm
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look at GOOGLE.. it looks like around 1990 Chevy started making 16 inch rims in addition to 15 inch... but 2000 it looks like MOST 1/2 ton trucks had the 16 inch 6 bolt rims... I "THINK" these a 6 bolt on 139.7 mm circle ............ should be about any 1/2 ton truck in the yard would have these 16 inch ?? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 1:39pm
I think the CHEVY is 5.5 inch ( or 139.7 mm) ......... that seems to be a standard on many trucks..6 X 5.5 Bolt Pattern Measurement and Specifications
How To Measure 6 Lug Bolt Patterns https://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&tag=roadkillcus0b-20&linkCode=ur2&linkId=990c93c8ccaa4b1212864de82a803f75&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=automotive&keywords=bolt+pattern+gauge" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
The 6 X 5.5 Bolt Pattern or Pitch Circle Diameter (PCD) is made up of the stud count (6) and the bolt circle measurement (5.5), the notional circle determined by the center position of the studs.
Measure 6 lug wheel bolt patterns from center to center distance between two studs that are across the hub from each other. This measurement is your bolt pattern diameter. Learn more about https://www.roadkillcustoms.com/wheel-bolt-pattern-cross-reference/6x5.5-wheel-bolt-pattern-6x139.7mm-6x5.50-inches/#Wheel_Dimensions" rel="nofollow - 6 X 5.5 bolt pattern is common to TOYOTA, NISSAN, ISUZU, MITSUBISHI, MAZDA, INFINITI, LEXUS, DODGE, HONDA, JEEP and other vehicles.Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 2:08pm
| I think its funny how when you go to a tire shop and they say a certain size is not a common size, but it just depends on the customers they cater to. Like 11 x 24.5 semi tires some places don't carry them but they are used on alot of hopper bottom trailers. Or narrow tractor tires or wide, some places specialize in them. Years ago a friend wanted tall narrow mud tires to put on a 4 wheel drive truck for spraying but the local tire shop said they couldn't get any he just had to look a little further then the local shop. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 7:54pm
| Tire shops around here carry the 15" trailer rated tires, I don't think their all that costly at around $80 each for NEW ones.oh yea...10 ply rated.... |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 5:11am
Yes Michael ours do to but but guys like Joe and I ain’t lookin to spend $80 on a tar we’re lookin to spend $15 😂 |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 7:16am
Shameless, why does it not surprise me that you had a van.....? Did it look something like this: Wild paint job with passionate pink stripes, big ole wide drag slicks on the back and skinny lil tire up front, couple of moon roofs, bubble windows on the sides, 3 inch shag carpet on the inside walls, huge speaker boxes in it, with a gi-normous amp, and a waterbed on the floor. Oh, and bullet hole in it from Dad's who didn't think that you had ought to be picking up their daughters for a date in such a rig. Darrel |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 7:52am
Yes Michael ours do to but but guys like Joe and I ain’t lookin to spend $80 on a tar we’re lookin to spend $15 😂[/QUOT You got that right,,Thad,,,,and,,,,and,,that price be for TWO of them caissons,,,and,,,,and,,they BOTH got s to be able to hide at least 1/4 of a penny,,,,,,,,!!!!!
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 7:52am
Fact of the matter,,,,I was lookin at Walmart online last night,,,and was pleasantly surprised that they sell some 15" trailer taars WITH 6 hole white wheels already mounted up for like $91.66 each,,,,,,,I'm tryin to find out what the bolt pattern is ,,,,who'd a thought,,walmart,,????
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Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 8:17am
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Tracto supply has em to...already mounted up... Thad,,Joe Yea,, I spend the big bucks on them trailer tars,,cause i don't like havin tire troubles 200 miles from the house.... |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 8:48am
| Main reason I do not like wheel adaptors is bearing wear changes. Usually the adaptor offsets the centerline of the wheel OUT where the outer bearing begins to carry severely higher load than designed for, kind of like being in a perpetual turn or on a perpetual cross grade. Was explained that back in the 70's in Trade School and has held water as fact ever since. If you look at extremely wide wheels they perform the same aspect change and cause premature bearing wear or suspension faults as they place unforeseen stress where it need not be. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 11:30am
Neither do we so we don’t get 200 miles from home. 😂 I do keep good tars on the trailer I use for work and hauling tractors n such. I just wish I could buy a used 15 for farm trailers and farm equipment that doesn’t see hwy use. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 12:19pm
| Darrel...yep...I've gone thru 4 vans! the step van I bought on an auction, they said it didn't eun, paid $10. for it, put gas and a battery in and drove it home! it had the 17 inch tires on it. used it for many years doing....uh...well nevermind on that part! then boughts a Dodge Tradesman van, it was already shag carpeted, and a few other things. I was the 4th owner and it had almost 1,000,000,000. miles on it when it finally gave up...that was a FUN van! then came a honest to goodness factory conversion van, still have it! gots a comfy bed and awesum mood lighting in it. starting to rust out a bit. and then the old lady....oooops….I mean the loving wife bought another factory GMC conversion van, it had a stereo in it that would/could/did blow out windows on stores downtown! she sold it several years later to sum boys that wanted that stereo and the room in it to pick up girls! last I knew...it was in SD. on the tire/wheel issues, just wait a few more years, they will come back with the 15,16,17,18 inch rubber again. hey...I just remembered, I have 6 18 inch wheels and tires ona motorhome out back...might look around and maybe find what yer looking for on them, there is always sum parked in the back or in the weeds somewhere. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 12:21pm
| oh...and dump 3 zeros on the Dodge mileage, the sun was in my eyes. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 4:23pm
One billion miles is a little un-believable. Maybe you was counting the miles ya put on it while it was sitting still! Darrel |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 3:32am
That right there is the point I was tryin to make,,sometimes you just don't want to put a new ta'ar on a trailer you haul trash to the dump on,,,,,,
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 3:40am
,,,,Ya just gotta love a fellar that can come up with these sharp comebacks,,,,,kinda makes me think of days gone by when the wife used to,,,,UMMmmm,,,best leave that one alone,,,,,,,,I seen that billion mile exagger,,,,,ummmmm,,,,statement Darrel,,,but since I'm still tryin to stay on his GOOD side cause of thet old wore out Chevy Allis,,,,,why,,,,,I gots to keep sharp tongue inside mouth for continued good relations,,,,,
,,,,Chit,,,I'm outa here,,,,!!! |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 2:16pm
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In '71 I bought a used Econo Line van, engine between the seats, don't remember the year. It had 13" wheels/tires on it. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 5:54pm
Good one Darrel. You been buried yet? You did describe the van the same way I was seeing it too. I have not had much luck with them cheap used tires on implements, darn near everything is radials and not much sidewall no matter how many plys. I get tired mounting and fixing tubes. On hillsides I can roll them off without a tube so most implement tires still get a tube on my stuff.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 5:59pm
| Yeah, Ray. I am somewhat buried, but not as bad as some folks not too far from me have it. As far as Shameless and the van go......well, I know a person shouldn't stereotype, when Shameless mentioned "van", I had that van visual in my head instantly! LOL! Darrel |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 12:00am
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The difference between a $25 dollar used automotive tire, and an $85 ST-rated trailer tire is... That the $25 dollar used tire will get replaced seven times before the ST-rated will ever give 'ya trouble. I'd put ST-rated tires on my work truck, if it wouldn't get me in trouble.. 10-ply radials would ride pretty rough, though. Ive taken the dump trailer to the landfill, and found nails in 'em... that never made it through the plies... just pulled 'em out while the tire laughed. Don't use adapters, just go online (Champion Trailers, etc) and find a new set of hubs that have the bolt pattern you want. If they don't have it, it's because it's not a 'trailer' bolt-pattern, and not suitable for the spindle/axle/overhang that you're working with. Prior note on the adapter's offset is REALLY IMPORTANT... AND... the backspacing of the wheel you're intending on using. If you offset the tire contact point farther away from the spindle, it dramatically increases the amount of bending moment on the spindle and axle-ends. Trailer-grade hubs and wheels keep that load in close, so the axle strength is assured. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 12:29pm
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Dave I believe you on that replacing 7 times over,but remeber the croud your preaching to. Besides O'l Shameless likes the thrill of a run away wheel bouncing over his truck on his way to see the Wally World Midnight people. I need to check out hub adapters as I have a 1975 stock trailer with 15 inch wheels an I am not ready to go buy a new aluminum one for $30,000 for some years yet.
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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 4:53pm
| I just put new 15" trailer tires on my camper last summer SAMs club has them in stock. They'll ship to your house if you want. If your looking for 10 plies you'll problem need to go 16" wall mart had them in stock mounted on rims. For 10 plies you need to go to 8 bolt wheels. In that case you'll need new axles strong enough for 8 bolt hubs. You can get 10 ply implement tires in both 14 and 15" but implement tires are only rated for 25 mph |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 6:32am
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Having been the shop manager at a large trailer dealer I learned quite a bit about trailer tires. I will run a used auto tire way before I’ll even consider a cheap new trailer tire. We sold many a trailer that would return within minutes and they would tell us it was jumping off the ground. The trailer tires would be out of round beyond belief. The only difference between a cheap trailer tire and an auto tire is the flexible sidewalk of the trailer tire. Auto tires go through a much higher standard of quality control. I’ve also seen very expensive 10 ply trailer tires not make 100 miles empty before blowing out. At the dealership we had to check every tire for round and side wobble after we mounted it. You would be shocked at how many failed. We learned which brands to trust and which not to trust. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 4:43pm
Many people do, but when the DOT man pulls you off the side of the road and pulls out his book... the fun is all over. In several states, the fine is about 4x the cost of the tires. Not only is it rare to find an automotive or LT tire in a load range appropriate for a trailer (nobody goes above C nowdays)... the sidewall of an automotive or LT is really flexible, which makes the trailer very susceptible to directional stability problems. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 7:50pm
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I think it all depends on the size of trailer you are talking about. I know in Southern Illinois and Missouri it is VERY COMMON to buy a 16 ft car trailer that has auto tires on it.. The tires are rated about 2200 pounds each (8800# for 4) and you get a 2000# trailer that holds 6000# vehicle and you get a 8000# plate for it... Now if your talking a 10K or 14 K trailer, that's when you need to go to the TRAILER tires and most of the rims will be 6 or 8 bolt.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |