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Topic: Allis Chalmers WD restore
Posted By: bhaynes
Subject: Allis Chalmers WD restore
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 9:43pm
Hello everybody! I am new here. I just in inherited my Great Great Grandfathers 1948 Allis Chalmers WD. It is in decent condition for the age and ran just about a year ago. I have taken it fully apart, ordered new parts, paint, etc...

Couple of questions: (sorry in advanced if this is the wrong area for this)
1) I see in a lot of pictures a "pulley" or wheel looking thing off the frame on the left side (look at the tractor) - mine doesn't have that. There is a covered up hole where one would go I guess. What is this? Should I add this during the restore? 

2) I took the front bumper plate off and there is all the steering gears and some nasty oil or gear oil or something in there. Hardly any in there currently. - QUESTION - What "oil / liquid" do I use and How much do I fill this up? (Again, front plate which is covering the steering gears and the manual crank rod/shaft) 

Thank you all again! Any answers and advice for me would be greatly appreciated. Hoping to get it looking back to its glory and keeping passing it down for many more generations to come! :)



Replies:
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 10:40pm
That is where a belt pulley would go for powering feed mills, thrashing machines, saw mills. I like any tractor that has one and I also added it to dads WD45 when I restored it.

I believe the weight of oil that is supposed to go in the steering gear area is something like 160 weight or about like pancake batter but don't quote me. Some will just pack it with grease as the old seals don't hold the thinner stuff in very well.

Hope this helps.

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1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

1956 F40 Ferguson


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 10:57pm
That helps a lot! I really appreciate it. One of the things I ordered was an entire seal/gasket kit. Replacing all of them as I am taking everything apart. Below is a picture of it. It is now in the garage completely torn apart. :) 



Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:32am
Welcome to the best tractor forum out there !!   Family tractors are special, good for you making the effort to fix this one up.  In my opinion I would look for old family photos to see if there ever was a pulley on your tractor in an attempt to keep it as close to original as possible. I also suggest getting a good service manual and a parts book as they will be of great help to you, Gerald (on this forum) has them to download unto your computer I think.   Keep us posted as to your progress.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 7:02am
Where I grew up, most WD's and WD45's had a belt pulley laying around. You always had to remove it for the mounted cultivator, so as time went by, less and less belt pulleys were used. There were lots of D-17's in our area and I never saw a belt pulley on one.


Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 9:42am
I have a pulley on my WD, we had a WC with one put had to remove it for corn cultivator so just left it out after the WD showed up.

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1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner)


Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:02am
It is good that you know your tractor is truly a WD rather than a WD-45 as it is badged.
It must be nice to have a tractor that belonged to your GG grandfather......something that a lot of us would like to be able to say.
Nice looking tractor.....it should restore really well.


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:30am
I have serial # questions I. e. WD 200017 is what year? And engine WD213468GA is what year. It gets a tad confusing. Thanks


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:32am
Now that's a handsome machine


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:35am
I put a belt pulley on mine, so I could run a Letz burr mill...  I'll probably move it to the WC when I get her done... I don't grind often, but when I do, I prefer to use the best!


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 10:48am
A WD series chassis with serial number WD200,017 is a 1955 model year and WD45 chassis, which would have a curved gearshift lever. The engine is clearly a WD engine stuck in a WD45 chassis.  A real WD45 engine serial number is 45xxxxxx, not WDxxxxxxx.  There are always more engines built than tractors. Engines were sold for other uses.


Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 1:35pm
According to the engine serial number info posted on here about 15 years ago,
your engine #213468GA would indicate it was built in 1949.
The engine # range for that year is 210719 to 238901.

Now, that WD engine could still have all the "innards" from a WD-45 engine.
Let's say, for example, the original engine froze up and "busted" and the then 
owner came up with a good WD block in which to put the remains of his WD-45 engine.
Lots of possibilities given the age of these old tractors.
That WD engine would have originally come with the 3" "short" head".
If it has the 4" "tall head", then someone definitely has done at least some
swapping of parts.


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:37pm
Thank you for the great information, the more the better.I took the head off and there is a 45 inside what looks like a Chrysler emblem (pic to follow) on top of the block deck. Very intriguing.


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:46pm


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:49pm
I also have a late 1953 with some unique thing on it, most notably 3 pins through the top of the transmission cover which are so perfect they must be factory but not positive. A beautiful factory top link and the ol flip up seat.


Posted By: savedallis1953
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 2:55pm
I wound up with a WD with a WD-45 crank, dish pistons and a marvel schebler TSX871 carb in a wide ( 4 bolt front) WD-45 frame,Jackpot!


Posted By: acd17toy
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2019 at 6:31pm


  Dr Allis, what would cause the amp gauge on my D17 to jump back and forth + to -?
  I have replaced the generator, voltage regulator, and the amp gauge,   original  wire harness looks good.
                        
                       


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 6:53am
Great looking WD and a family one to boot! What are your plans for it? I have a 45 apart and it is a project!
Good picture! Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to more inof as you move forward. Not sure what the 45 in the pentagon means. Not sure that means WD45 engine. Need to measure stroke.
Regards,
 Chris



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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 11:05am
Brian - Yes and Thanks! My brother and I weren't terribly sure it was a WD-45. My grandfather is older and said he thought it was a 1947. So we started researching it from there and after finding the serial for it, it concluded it was actually a 1948 WD. 

I did some more research to 100% confirm this. 1) the gear shifter is straight and not curved or angled. and 2) the engine block has a side push rod cover. Which to my understanding, this was removed in the WD-45. :) 


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 11:24am
Thanks for all the reply's. The I am trying now to grind off the old paint and wash off all the crud and grease from the hydraulic system leaking over years and years. About to remove the back hydraulic arms and hoses. Starting to get tedious, but I know the end result will be AMAZING! Here are some pictures from yesterday. I have some parts on their way. New manifold and studs. New Radiator, New WD decals. (not WD-45 which is on there). New Allis Chalmers paint. New gaskets all the way around and New belt! 

Need to figure out if I can reuse the Carburetor and the old 6v Generator. :)



Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 11:25am
Updated Picture as well: 


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 11:59am
Measure the cylinder sleeves. Are they 4 inch?? or 4 1/8" ??


Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 2:38pm
I'm pretty sure that head sittin' over there on the bench is a "short" head which would
be correct for the early WD engine.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 6:03pm
Thanks for sharing the progress pictures! Yep sure looks like a WD! Could still have a WD45 crank in there!:) Check your stroke. 4 inches = WD, 4.5 inches = WD45!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 6:48pm
Wow! Look at the nice tires,too! Good luck with your project
!

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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2019 at 8:35pm
For all who were wondering, I just checked and 4 inch cylinders! I removed the head lights today, the housing that holds wiring and the starter. 

Anybody know where I would get a new or rebuilt like new 6v Generator? Not sure if mine is bad yet, (it did run a year ago just fine, but has been sitting since). Just in case it is ruined/bad, I will need a new one. I have seen A LOT of people convert to a 12v, but would like to keep it as original as possible. :)


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 7:12am
4 inch pistons that are a "flat top" are WD pistons and should have a 4 inch stroke. If the 4 inch pistons are "dished", it probably has a 4 1/2" stroke making it a WD45 short block.


Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 7:21am
what are those brackets on the front end?? I have a WD that came with the exact same brackets mounted on it, I thought they were homemade! Curious on what mounted on them!

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1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 9:22am
I have no idea and honestly wondering the same thing!? I thought for like a front attachment maybe? But the brackets don't have holes or any hydraulic hoses going up there. 

Anybody? 


Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 9:23am
If your generator was OK a year ago, it's probably still good.  If you want it serviced to make sure, send it over to Steve at B & B.  He's usually on here and is a sponsor.


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 9:26am
DrAllis - They are flat 4in pistons. Pretty good shape too. I have cleaned the tops of them and gotten off all the grime and everything. Back to the stainless steel (i assume) tops. I am NOT going to take the block off and redo the whole inside of the block. That may be a down the road adventure. 

I am already a little worried on putting this back together, as this is the first time I have EVER done something like this. I look at it like a huge erector set! :) So far so good. 


Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 9:31am
Those pistons are either cast iron (magnet will stick to them) or aluminum.


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 9:43am
OKay - It may still be good. I assume I could put some power to it from the 6v Battery and see it is spins up? (not sure here). 

My only worry, is its extremely rusted looking and the pulley will squeak when turned. But not sure how to take it apart to clean it, grease it back up and then I can repaint it. 


Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 10:13am
Looks like a nice project that will be great when done.
 
There a topic a made a few years ago when I rebuild my WD45 maybe it will help you out.
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/wd45-rebuild-progress_topic126761.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/wd45-rebuild-progress_topic126761.html


Posted By: bhaynes
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 12:17pm
Does anybody know what the original colors of the WD wheels were? I have seen multiple different pictures. All AC orange. just the inside AC orange. All white with the AC orange lug bolts, etc.. 

I like the white, with the AC orange (Go Vols!) but want it to be original. Just curious. :) 


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2019 at 1:18pm
I believe the correct combo is Persian orange on the rear centers with silver on the rim. fronts were all PO. Dont follow my scheme!:)
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.



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