Dang,,and I am feelin for you,,,Good Buddy,,,knowin how you was wantin to retire and buy thet fancy place up in Country Junction, Alaska,,,,and,,,,and,,,,OH,,,I forgot to mention,,it is -74 degrees up thar this mornin,,with just a trace of a breeze,,,,CHIT,,,that right there is friggin COLD,!!!!!!  ooops,,,got tangled up with my story,,,anyway sounding like you needs your own attorney to do like ole Les is always sayin,,,"Follow The Money" May not be actual cash put in the bank,,,but new equipment bought in the name of the farm,,,, Good Luck,,,thinkin you is gonna need some,,,

 

Typical yields for your area?

 

Are you thinking they got free seed?  I actually would think not, though I could be wrong. 

 

I'm just trying to understand the specifics here.  I guess you could say I'm trying to turn this into a farming discussion.  Maybe that's not possible, but I'm trying to learn something by comparison.

 

So again, if you will, is this year's crop soybeans, and what is this year's yield and typical yield?

 

For me this year, we had a horrible drought from mid May through early August.  Hay crop was ~60-70%.  Corn was a disaster, approximately 1/4 of it was dying in July and it was chopped at the time to supplement the dead pasture.  What I left for grain was about 1/2 the yield I can get. 

 

I added over 10% acre increase to my operation this year. I went heavy into soybeans this year.  Now I will say, I support President Trump and his overall policies and even his trade spat with China.  We're doing the right thing.  But this ain't the political section.  Soybean prices sucked this year.  To add to that, after that drought, it turned WET, way too late to grow anything but wet enough to make harvest miserable.  My beans were down to ~14% moisture when I started combining.  They at one point were UP to 20% due to snow, rain, fog, overcast, snow again, . . . .  Soybeans actually survived the crappy year about as good as anything around.

 

Here are the "stats" on my very BEST field, per acre, grossed about 43 bu/ac:

Seed $86

Fuel 22

Fert/lime 70

Spray 19

Rent 75

Insurance 13

 

Total $285 per acre

Still doesn't include interest, repairs, and yeah, I found the prior tenant's chisel plow shank with my right rear tire to the tune of about $1250.

 

My actual revenue per acre, pre tariff assistance, was $281.15.  The tariff program, the very first time EVER I have signed up for a USDA program by the way, ended up giving me a small profit per acre.

 

I'm trying to follow your situation.  Your first post says "after the renter and taxes was paid".  So, you pay the renter somehow?  Your farm manager market's the crop and pays him 1/2 or something??  And he pays all the inputs up front or you split those also?  Again, I doubt he gets free seed.  More likely gets it for 66% of what the rest of us pay.

 

Anyway, even if you remove rent and all of the seed costs from my inputs, if I gave half my crop away there would be absolutely 0 left. 

 

My seed cost $86 bucks for crying out loud.  Liberty link seed, not RR seed, cheaper than RR seed but not as cheap as "conventional", and no it's not Pioneer.  Conventional, my spray costs would have gone up to equal or worse than it cost to spray liberty.

 

So, whatever.  I give up.

That's why 50-50 , 60-40, or whatever never works. We do only one way, CASH! half by property tax time and the other half after harvest, he puts fertilizer and whatever else he needs on. He does care for the farm and we are lucky to have this guy.

All guys are not like this, MOST are scammers. You need to get a lawyer to investigate the crooks. thanks; ac fleet

 

But the yields are pretty similar to here.  Yes, a bag of soybeans per acre, 140,000 seeds per bag.  Corn, my personal best is ~175.  Only the best of the best around here break 200 in test plots.  But not with only 100 lbs of N.  The chemistry doesn't work out there.  Slightly over 1 lb N per Bu of grain to harvest or you aren't going to get there.  Seed rate also, for corn to 200 and beyond around here, you're looking at 35-38,000 population, so just barely over 2 acres from a bag.

 

On that good field next year, I'm planning on corn.  I've got to tweak my seed costs, track actual fuel used like I did for this bean crop...I'm looking at $450+ per acre in costs.  I do not insure corn, but I am budgeting for drying or moisture dockage.  Look at the market, do the math on yield.  It doesn't look too promising!!!

They have stuff, I forgot what it is, I could look it up......but the better question is why?  It really doesn't hurt that much.  Or,.....would have to be terribly severe to hurt much. 

 

*edit* Poast is the one I was thinking of.  There are many.  Actually, if you plant RR corn, then Liberty Link beans, the Liberty will kill the corn too.

Yeah.....Right now I only have about 30 cow/calf pairs, another 10 freezer beef steers.  That ain't enough manure to even touch a year's worth of corn crop requirements, almost negligible.  Back to the original post topic, if the green guys don't have 100's of cattle, they're buying commercial fertilizer.  I buy mostly commercial fertilizer.  There ain't much money in this cropping business at the moment.

Shameless's problem is that the farm manager is also a stakeholder, aka brother.

Ain't that right Dale?