LED Shop Lighting questions
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Topic: LED Shop Lighting questions
Posted By: coggonobrien
Subject: LED Shop Lighting questions
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 6:40am
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Has anybody tried running the Walmart 48" long led shop lights? I'm curious how they hold up in an unheated shop during a Midwest winter. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hyper-Tough-4-Ft-Led-Shop-Light-5000-Lm/345205251" rel="nofollow - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hyper-Tough-4-Ft-Led-Shop-Light-5000-Lm/345205251 |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 6:49am
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LEDs in general should work fine, though maybe post a 'link' to them. WallyWorld up here is different than south of the 49th.... It boils down to the 'electronics' inside not the LEDs. T8, T5 FL tubes all run on electronic ballasts and are 'cold weather ' rated unlike the original T12s. Friend has LEDs all over his garage ceiling , man is it nice ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 7:02am
| Intend to replace the Fluorescence T series lamps in my shop with LEDs as they fail. Not moving to the expense until they do. |
Posted By: coggonobrien
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 7:18am
| I'm turning a freestall cattle shed into a shop. has no electrical in it so I get to make it my own. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 7:30am
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I have one that appears like the one you posted. Bought at Costco. Going into the 2nd winter with no problems and no heat out there. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 7:40am
| I have the 48" single tube light in my shop and barn the barn is unheated. The lights come on immediately at 20 below. They have been out there two winters. I managed to pop one of the tube ends off when I dropped it. But it snapped right back on. It was one of the lights I put magnets on the base so I move it around when I need lighting inside a vehicle. Mine came from Amazon the light and base are all in one. They were $50 for 6 lights. I put 12 in my shop two in the barn two on magnets and have two left in the box for replacements. They use very little electricity and put out no heat at all. |
Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 8:10am
| I changed my shop over to LED a couple years ago, 4’ with twin bulbs. They work good in cold weather and use less electricity. Got mine at Home Depot |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 8:10am
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I have both and will be removing the ballasts lights soon. Can't tell you how long they will last but they come on in the cold and are bright. My cold is not as cold as yours. I would try a couple first. I also got some about a year ago and removed the ballast in the old lights and they work good also. Got them on Amazon. Make sure they will work without the ballast because there is both kinds of leads. You do h a be to do a little wiring and your ends on your fixture has to be good. Good luck ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:49pm
Like Dave, I put several banks of them in my new shop two years ago. Unheated and no problems so far. They appear to be what you posted a picture of.
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Dave H wrote:Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 1:27pm
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I just got a bunch of the T8 replacement LEDs. They are much brighter than the florescent tubes and were a direct replacement for the fixtures I already had. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 6:34pm
I bought some as my florescent ballasts started to go from age. the LED's work absolutely great in cold weather! My advice is to shop around, locally, best deal I found was Sam's club, like $36.99, IIRR
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 6:46pm
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I have purchased several of the 48" led fixtures from Rural King. 4500 lumens and they are much brighter than the old twin tube fixtures. Each of these have a socket on the end so you can connect up to 8 of them in a row. $25 each and they will ship to you. I'm replacing my old fixtures as the bulbs die. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 9:06pm
| we are going to put 14 8 foot leds in our new sshop bay next spring after the roof gets foam sprayed in |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 9:10pm
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What I did... was get a box of plastic lamp fixtures... the type that hold ONE common medium-base bulb... and screwed them at regular intervals to a 20' 2x4, and wired from one to the next, in parallel, and put a plug on the end... repeated for a couple more 2x4's... Then I hung the 2x4s, with sockets, from joists in the ceiling... but not before screwing in a half-dozen inexpensive 7.5w bulbs in each fixture. The fixtures are a buck-and-a-quarter each... the wire was under $10, I got the 2x4's for free (painted them white first)... and a box of 7.5w LED bulbs was $18 for like... 10 bulbs. 18 of those bulbs in a 24x24 shop lights it up like daylight, but no shadows... and there's nothing special about the bulbs... so if I lose a workpiece and hit one, and it actually breaks, I just toss the bulb and put in a new one... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 10:08pm
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I have done similar to Dave.. I have standardized on 60 watt equiv LED screw in bulbs.. They take about 8 watts each.. I have some individual plastic sockets, and also have bought a THREE light socket assembly about 18 inches long and 4 inches wide.. Menards sells them for $10. to go above a sink, etc.. I can put 1-2-3 bulbs in them to get up to 180 equiv watt output in one area.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Dave974
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 8:43am
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The screw-in 60 and 100 Watt equivalent LEDs work great...lotsa light and if you space them close enough, minimal shadows. If you're looking for a good hard-wired LED strip light, I've also used some of these from Menards with good success: https://www.menards.com/main/lighting-ceiling-fans/indoor-lighting/work-shop-lights/lithonia-lighting-reg-48-x-2-4500-lumens-gloss-white-2-lamp-led-striplight/cmnsl482llmvolt840/p-1459474229563-c-1472133557086.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.menards.com/main/lighting-ceiling-fans/indoor-lighting/work-shop-lights/lithonia-lighting-reg-48-x-2-4500-lumens-gloss-white-2-lamp-led-striplight/cmnsl482llmvolt840/p-1459474229563-c-1472133557086.htm They come in 2, 4, and 8ft lengths and are great for screwing right into the bottom of pole barn trusses or pin frame barn beams. They are more compact than fluorescent strips and throw off a TON of light. No issues with operating in the cold at all.
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Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 4:17pm
| David, make sure you look close at the one at Walmart, when I put up my shop I was going to use the Walmart one until I look at the small print, I went with some from Menards and I'm very happy with them. I had them up last year when everyone was at my place. Kenny L. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 9:27pm
| dave kemp good idea to try for our parts room |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 9:57pm
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Bought two of the exact LEDs at Wally World this month for the machine shed. Good price and no problems in the cold. Plan on swapping out the 2 year old fluorescent next spring. Work great in the paint booth. ------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:25am
| i bought 2- 3 ft LED shop lights, they were $10. each at the farm store, and they have another plug in on on end to plug in what ever (my flat screen is plugged into mine) it's been in the unheated cook shack all last winter, still going strong. has 2 rows of LED's in it. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:32am
| There are finally longer LED replacements for the 8' fluorescent bulbs, Just not willing to expend over $40 EACH for them just yet. Am considering leaving the bases up from the 8' lamps, adding 4' LEDs atop those for mounting structure but will have to further come down price wise. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 9:34am
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Home Outlet here (discount liquidator) had fixtures and bulbs on a special sale of 50% off marked prices - I bought 10 - 4ft fixtures at $6.00 each and 4ft bulbs at $3.00 each , couple boxes of 2 bulbs for $5.00. One box was a 8ft bulb - had a splice in box to join 2 - 4ft bulbs .All work great and no ballast change needed as bulbs work in standard fixture also. Son just bought 4 sets of String Lights from Harbor Freight 12 bulb sockets on 24' length with standard sockets every 2 ft = come with bulbs but he changed all the bulbs to LED - 100W for his storage building - think i am going to do the same for lighting in shop along walls - See they have the string lights again for $21 a length which is cheaper than you can wire 12 fixtures for . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 1:27pm
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I noticed a fluorescent to LED conversion kit for 4' fixtures when picking up new fluorescent tubes for one of my garage fixtures at HD. When I tried the new tubes I discovered that the ballast had failed. After going back to HD (only 5 min. away) and looking at the cost of a new ballast I picked up a 4' LED fixture as a replacement. When looking at the work involved to remove one fixture and to install the new LED fixture I returned the LED fixture and picked up the conversion kit at less than 40% of the cost of the new fixture. The conversion was simple. Cut the leads from the ballast at the tube holders, remove the ballast and the tube holders from one end of the fixture. Replace tube holders with the two new tube holders supplied with the kit and connect their leads to the 110v power leads, insert the new LED tubes and you are done. Instant on and 20% brighter. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 2:01pm
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Seems there several varieties out there of LED in 4' bulbs from ones you leave old ballast in unit and other where it's direct 110 with no ballast On the string light and changing to LED bulbs , seen where someone taped aluminum foil to back side of fixture to use as a light diffuser to direct more light by reflecting it outward and down ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:07pm
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I put these up a couple years ago two sets of 6 in my 30x36 shop they work great https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HBT3BVM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HBT3BVM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:37pm
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I had the old 4 ft fluores in the house and garage/ shop since we built in 1980.. That was the latest and greatest at that time. About 20 years ago they came out with the screw in CFL low watt bulbs... I took out the 4 ft units as the bulbs and ballasts crapped out and put in a 4 inch square box with a screw in socket on it and upgraded to the CFL bulbs... Worked out OK as 12 years later they came out with screw in LED bulbs.. direct replacement... I buy the 8 WATT which are comparable to older 60 WATT incandescent... AS i got a little older and the LED bulbs got cheaper, i have upgraded a few bulbs in the shop , above the work bench to 13 WATT or 100 Equiv for a little more light.............. best part is the bulbs last almost FOREVER, and if i do loose one, a replacement cost $1. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 7:49pm
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My son just installed these in his garage. WOW, wanna talk about bright!! You can't look directly at them......good thing he has a 9 foot ceiliing!! They're from Menards, but I'd bet you can find them just about anywhere. https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/light-bulbs/led-light-bulbs/gt-lite-300w-replacement-high-lumen-bulb/gt-cb-50/p-1487834580526-c-7482.htm?tid=-1&ipos=61" rel="nofollow - https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/light-bulbs/led-light-bulbs/gt-lite-300w-replacement-high-lumen-bulb/gt-cb-50/p-1487834580526-c-7482.htm?tid=-1&ipos=61 ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Coke
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 12:28pm
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I got power ran out to my shed a couple of winters back, and had them put up just 4 standard (edison screw) lamps in it. In the first one, I put one of those fancy corn cob LED lamps that are like $20-30 from Rural King, and then I put plain LED floods in the other (Sunbeam), that I got in packs of two from Dollar Tree. They all are still holding up just fine after two Midwest winters, the plain ones come on immediately, the cob takes a second but comes on. Given the 50c LED floods are doing a grand job in an 80ft shed, I'd recommend them, they are maybe 15ft up, and are bright enough to illuminate to the far side of the shed, 40ish ft away. I've also converted my workshop, garage, and basement to these LED floods (I bought a couple of cases) to replace standard strip fluorescents in the garage and shop, and the CFL's in the basement.  ------------- 1957 D17 Diesel w/ M&W Pistons |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 12:39pm
| Have LED PAR Series Floods on Front of House, Light the yard up Nicely. Seriously looking at changeover inside shop to LED when time comes and Fluorescents burn out. |
Posted By: Coke
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2020 at 8:51am
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Should have added, same brand of dollar store LED (Sunbeam) that I used in my shed, I didn't have an incandescent appliance bulb on hand when the one in my fridge went out. Stuck in a candle sized LED, it's still going, lights up straight away no problems so far. So it works, in an actual fridge
 ------------- 1957 D17 Diesel w/ M&W Pistons |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 4:34pm
Yeah Coke, but we know that a fridge isn't as cold as our Midwest winters!  ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Coke
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 5:30pm
 That;s why they built the Chicago tenements with a cupboard open to the outside. ------------- 1957 D17 Diesel w/ M&W Pistons |
Posted By: Coke
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 9:11am
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Just an update. LED bulbs really don't like lightning. We had lightning strike the house (antenna mast) and we lost a bunch of stuff, garage door opener, TV, computer stuff, etc. It also seems to have a negative effect on LED bulbs, a few died at the time and since the event a whole bunch of them have died in the same way, despite being different brands, styles, ages, etc. They all just go sorta dim. Doesn't even seem to matter if they were on at the time or not.
------------- 1957 D17 Diesel w/ M&W Pistons |