Need luck wd45 at auction this Saturday.
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Topic: Need luck wd45 at auction this Saturday.
Posted By: ryanschott
Subject: Need luck wd45 at auction this Saturday.
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:21pm
There is a 1954 Allis Chalmers wd45 at auction this weekend was in family it’s whole life and was sold new at tenniswood equipment yale mi out of the showroom to replace a John Deere b that motor went bad. I’m big into the history and knowing where they were sold new and worked there whole life. Been waiting a couple years for this tractor to go for sale. I have a few things going for me to get it. Biggest thing I have money lol and the motor is stuck and Saturday it’s supposed to be cold cold cold so hopefully keep everyone away fine loader will go if someone is interested  n
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:34pm
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Good luck! A tractor with family history and memories has a lot more value. With a stuck engine, it should go about scrap price.
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:49pm
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Ryan, First good luck at the sale. Sounds like you know a lot about this 45 and it needs to come home with you. (Was this in your family?) Having the funds is key. The weather may keep a lot of folks away, and the engine condition will keep the price down. All that said, someone could still make you squirm a little if they happen to want it just as bad as you. There is one sure way to come out on top on these sales when you want a item. And its real simple: Keep raising your hand, or nodding your head, when they ask you to bid! Don't worry about the numbers, that will settle out after the bidding is over. Oh yea take your trailer too!:) Not a bad looking 45! I have never seen a loader with the big rings on top?? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 12:53pm
| When the bidding starts most bidders figure out if bidders are family. Most bidders bow out and let the family members buy it. Nice to see others try to grab a bit of their history. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 1:01pm
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Don't count on the cold keeping people away . When I was a youngin my dad would say, miserable day today , probably nobody going to that farm auction .Get your coat and get in the truck. We would pull up and the trucks would be lined up for a mile. Dad would always say the same thing Guess everybody else thought what I thought ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: brkfldj
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 1:17pm
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I too have not seen that style of loader. Would like to have one because of the unique look. Stuff your wallet and then post pictures Saturday evening. Good luck. Jim |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 1:33pm
Been my experience the worse the weather is the higher things sell.
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Pat the Plumber CIL wrote:Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 2:14pm
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Sometimes it works to jump the bid more than Auctioneer is asking. If the bid is $1000 and he's is asking 1100, then bid 1200. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 2:44pm
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Good luck, Ryan. Let us know how it turns out. I have four AC's that I bought from either the original owner or the son of the original owner. When I start serious downsizing, they will stay. My heirs can decide what to do with them. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 2:55pm
| Wondered how lift worked and then realized the chains go over the loops. Rods attach back to lift. |
Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:05pm
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I've never seen a loader like that either. Interesting. Only time I got a bit of a deal on a tractor at auction was almost -40 degrees, and the tractor sold last. All the smarter folks froze up and headed home before the tractor sold. I was poor enough and desperate enough to hang in there. $600 for a JD 60 gasser. Then I had to drive it 5 hours home. Waited until the weather warmed up above 0 F before doing the drive. Still was miserable, but I was young. Would not even think of doing that now! ------------- |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:37pm
If I get up early head out to an auction,spend my time and money getting there to try to buy a certain item,I'm going to bid on it and try my best to buy it regardless of who else wants it.If the family wanted it then they should not have put it in the sale and if they are too hard headed to work things out between themselves then Too Bad.
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Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:55pm
| Look that tractor over good, It appears to have been moved to that location without rotating the rear tires. I have seen many items damaged from the auction houses. Good Luck, 45’s are some of the nicest Allis tractors to own! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 4:43pm
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GOOD Luck Ryan!! Let us know Saturday night!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:18pm
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Good luck sir!! Neat loader on her. |
Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:54pm
| Sorry miss worded it is single family tractor but not my family or I would have not let it get to auction. Talked to original owners son who is having the auction and said the loader he thinks is tilson or Tillman something like that. Have good chunk of money so will be going home with me unless someone is going to bid crazy stupid even more then me. How much you think I will have to choke up for it I’m thinking $500. Maybe 7 |
Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:57pm
| Also yes noticed after I got home looking at the pics that front tires where muddy and that place is a mud hole and that the backs where clean The shifter moves nice and firm like new so hopefully just stuck brakes. I looked at this tractor a couple years ago and it was cover in so much brush and grape vines you couldn’t really see it just caught my eye. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 7:00pm
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Trying to predict what something is going to bring at an auction is worse than predicting the weather,all you can do is go and bid.If it goes cheap if you're not there you won't get it for sure.That tractor appears to be one of those that would be worth more in pieces than in one piece.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 7:29pm
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All of the tractors there look good and the N6 too. I like the MF, but that Deutz Allis looks really nice. Wisht I was rich. Might want to watch the plow and blade. Might pick them up for scrap price. Well its about 85 miles for me to get there, so I probably won't come out. Good luck! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 7:48pm
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It’s called a ‘Templeton’ loader. https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/35/24/9c/b0e04efc6fbefe/US2469615.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/35/24/9c/b0e04efc6fbefe/US2469615.pdf |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 8:36pm
| If things go like at the auction I was at today,, it's pretty much a buyers market,, the condition you have discribed $500 should get it bought...but then...depends on who else might want it...ya gotta go to find out... |
Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 9:23pm
| I’m willing to pay stupid money just for the history so should get the job done |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 11:50pm
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You might get it for $100 too! That's why I love auctions just never know. |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 4:35am
Yup, they we're made just up the road in Lexington Ohio. Of coarse there were Lots of them around here back in the day. That one is a bit odd with the high mounted lifting equipment. Guessing a later attempt at keeping up with the times as one of thier limitations was lifting height. We had one on a H Farmall and it would just barely go high enough to dump in a medium size spreader. |
Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:39am
| We still have a Templeton loader that Dad bought back in the early 1950's. A neighbor with a pickup hauled it home from Lexington, Ohio for us; Dad and I went a long. I went along too. We still have it sitting in a shed. Used it for quite a few years cleaning out the barn and a bunch of other stuff. Dad built a blade for the front to push snow and dirt and other stuff. Always thought it was a well built piece of equipment as we used it for over 40 years. You should definitely keep the loader. Very interesting item and it doesn't look damaged. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 8:12am
Could be the front tires were rotating and the rears were not when it was under tow?
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Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 8:46am
| Yep wheels didn’t roll hopefully just the brakes maybe that help keep price down. Loader will be for sale if someone wants a odd ball |
Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:26am
| Wish you all the luck in the world but keep your head on straight and don't show your emotion. Things I do at an auction is get there early and mill around but don't look at the tractor. Don't let anyone know that's what you are there for. Also don't start bidding let two or three jump in early and when it starts slowing down jump in then, it will usually scare some of them away and when it gets down to two of you go ahead and pull your card out if your pocket that will scare the other guy unless he is crazy and then start jump bidding. Usually these tactics work at the auctions I have been to. I picked up a 200, a Nh round baler and a Allis Chalmers tool box with the frame mount this year doing it this way. But good luck and keep your poker face on. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:38am
Those 'tactics' I wouldn't think would deter anyone that wanted to bid on the tractor,sure wouldn't affect me.I pretty much decide a range of how much $$$ I'm going to bid on whatever item and am going to bid that amount even if someone stands on their head and bids and think most people do the same.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:51am
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Best piece of advice I'd have, but it's a little too late now, is DON'T EVER POST ON THE INTERNET THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING ON AN AUCTION!!!! I know that all of the regulars on here are as trustworthy as my own mother, but as someone once said on here, "you would never beleive who all is reading this stuff." Outside of that, good luck. But as others have said, nasty weather brings everyone and their dog out to auctions. And stuck engines make everyone beleive that they are going to get a buy on it. Sorry for sounding doom and gloom, but I truly do hope that you can get it for a song. Darrel |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 12:38pm
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Since it's not a tractor from your family, it drives the value down for you (or at least it would for me). By your description, it sounds like it has been sitting a long time. You are probably looking at a complete engine rebuild, which can easily run $1000 or more. If the rear tires don't turn, that is going to be more work and expense. If you need tires and / or rims, more money. The other thing with tractors that have been sitting, is there is often a reason they were abandoned. Did it have some kind of major problem that was the reason it wasn't used? My feeling is if someone gives you a good running WD or WD45 and you have to buy new rear tires and rims, you have more in it than you can ever hope to recoup if you decide to sell it. Around here, WD45's are very plentiful and it's quite easy to find a good running WD45 with decent tires and rims between $1000 and $1500. Keep that in mind when you are bidding.
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Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 8:29pm
| I’m assuming brakes stuck cause trans shiftsnice. How can I undo the brake bands quick |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:29pm
| Maybe whoever moved it didn't know how to release the brakes. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:34pm
| First item is to check that the brakes aren't set.Regular folks don't know how to set or unlock em.Dont think this style brake is likely to rust tight.Would pull top covers and look in.Use prybar to wiggle shoes.If they move, they're not stuck.Otherwise stuck in 2 gears or rusted internals. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:59pm
| Remember to check the coolant level. Good luck today! |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 10:02pm
| the pin at the bottom of the shoes is stuck from sitting' most like. had to free one up the other day' just sat haft the summer. one side was locked up; |
Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 12:44am
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Never seen a loader like that one kinda neat. ------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 4:04am
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Good Luck! I would think $500 would do it!!! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:52am
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The Auction picture shows it sitting outside with the rear wheel sunk deep in the mud. With the exhaust not covered, it for sure is going to be rusted tight. Gary |
Posted By: ryanschott
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 1:04pm
| Didn’t get it the trans both clutches and rear are froze up long with motor so was really bummed but would have went the extra miles because of the history. So crazy guy came in and bid it up to 1250 cause he wanted a project. There’s tons on Craigslist in our area for 700 why not buy one of those. Oh well still have a pocket of money |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 1:18pm
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$1250???? Two people are nuts!!! The one that won the bid and the #2 guy!!!! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 1:24pm
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you are coming out on top ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 2:19pm
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Maybe he was family too?? Knew the history also? Sounds like you got the better deal. Sometimes it doesn't seem that way, but when you see what God has in store for you......... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 4:52pm
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You never know at auctions that is what makes them interesting.I picked up a pretty good Oliver 66 with a good rear blade too at an auction for $700 today.
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Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:05pm
| I agree with you Gary I went to a auction that had a allis barge wagon it was raining and kind of chili that day and figured it would be following me home or hope it would but it didn't the other person had deeper pockets then mine but I made him go deeper into his that for sure. Kenny L. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:11pm
| Ted J is correct on all parts. Go look at those 700$ tractors an learn from all until you find a comfortable buy. I know it’s fun working on them, getting them going. You still need to figure you cost getting them in good running condition. |