What should I do???
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Topic: What should I do???
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Subject: What should I do???
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 5:18am
A Mexican family bought 5 acres right across the road from us. They say they’re gonna put a mobile home there. They have cut trails and made a atv track over there. They invite me over to ride quite often. We have a blast. We own 5 acres right north of them. I bought it to keep anybody from building there and it makes a nice buffer from the hiway. Last night Jenn noticed they have dozed a big wide trail through our property. I don’t mean cutting a few limbs I mean they pushed out big nice trees with a dozer and left the place looking like  . They are right across the road from my moms house now and she lives close to the road. They ride all hrs of the night and keep her awake. The owner of the property told me that whoever sold him his property walks him down the road and showed him where his stops. That is way beyond even the property we bought. All my paperwork is buried in a tote while we are remodeling. Jenn is going to the title/ land office this morning to get copies. What should I do? I like these people and don’t want neighbor problems. They did get a bit testy last night when I explained it was my property.
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Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 6:52am
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Old saying ' good fences make good neighbors'. Around here generally any land sales involve a surveyor. If you get the legal description, and have a benchmark fairly close, might be worth getting a measuring wheel and pacing it off. Would get you within a few feet anyway. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 7:27am
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Tell them you plan on raising hogs if they continue to be a pain. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 7:31am
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truckerfarmer wrote:Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 7:47am
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Gosh,,Thad,,,thas a tough one especially with new neighbors but "Domestic Tranquility" starts and ends with how YOU handle these sort of issues,,,I say Issues instead of problems as it would be much better to start off as friends. The way I would handle this is to go ask the dude where "HE" was told the property lines are. It's better to imply that he may have been misled by the SELLER,,,,,,, OH,,and you can mention that you wanted to leave your lot as natural as possible. Good Luck. I Have used the following with GREAT results in a similar situation up in the mountains. A new property owner wanted to start a "Guide Service" and begin giving others access to two of the best Elk hunting canyons just west of our property. We bought our property for our personal access for many years to come.. I went and talked to the dude and made the point that HE was fixin to piss off all the other land owners there and he would NOT be able to count on any of us for any help,,,especially if there was a fire on his place or vandals visiting his place when he was gone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I carefully explained all the other property owners had settled there for that specific reason and he would forever be an outsider if he continued his BS. THEN,,,,,,,a couple of weeks later when the monthly mountain news letter came out,,,there were 8 articles in there complaining bout the dude (His name included) and bad mouthing him for what he was wantin to do,,,,,,,,,He sold his place two months later,,,,,  Ditto, what ole Truckerfarmer says on the survey,,,GOOD LUCK,,!!!
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 8:14am
| I just got off the phone with the survey company. He’s gonna bring me a new copy of the platt. He says he can get me within a few feet of the southwest marker. May even have pics of the marker in the road before they repaved. I did have the neighbor show me where he thought his markers were. He was several thousand feet north of my property at the opposite neighbors property line. I hope to save my friendship with this guy. I’m letting Jennifer handle this. She’s less apt to get stupid. Surveyed says get a lawyer. I don’t want to do that. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 8:25am
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I'd be getting a stop work order issued before they destroy anything else with that dozer until the legal property lines can be established. If it was only a few yards is one thing, but a thousand or more feet, no you stop immediately until the legal boundary is marked by a surveyor is how I'd handle it. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 8:36am
| Better get it stopped before they ruin all the trees. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 9:15am
I’m trying. It will take me the next two winters to clean up what they’ve already done. It wasn’t neat work by any means. |
Posted By: ocharry
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 9:30am
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just wonder HOW BIG this guy thinks 5 acres is??? yep you better get him to park that dozer till you get some lines drawn in the sand,,,or he is gona make a real mess for ya,,,,and be pissed off anyway ocharry
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Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 11:20am
| Common courtesy and common sense are rare these days. I know you said he thinks the property is his but how about a heads up to you that he was going to bring a dozer in and do that. Yeah if he thinks it's his land and he doesn't have to ask then he has no courtesy. Around here we always talk to the neighbors beforehand and tell them what we are wanting to do and see what their reaction is before it blows up into something. Another thing that's rare is good neighbors. |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 12:12pm
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Thad, you need to get it stopped as soon as possible. Staying on friendly terms is one thing but don't let them use that to take advantage of you. You may need to enlist the help of some of your other neighbors to put a little pressure on the guy. Your best resource may be a good lawyer to get a stop work order and make then pay for your property that they have destroyed. Also riding atv's all hours of the night is creating a public nuisance which could get law enforcement involved. They may not was law enforcement looking at them too closely. And there is some good advice in what ole DJ posted. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 12:21pm
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I've heard of people having to pay for each tree they destroyed, plus a sizeable sum of money. You need to find your property line and then put up "Posted" signs. Call the police if the signs are violated. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 12:41pm
| The police will be no help. I know a lawyer who also owns the title company that did the closing on this property. I built his offices. I’m having Jennifer get in contact with him. I also know the culprits boss. He owns a very large excavation company and loaned this guy the equipment to do this work. I can get the equipment stopped. I don’t want this guy to lose his job. I feel like he was lied to when he bought his property. I’d be willing to call it all good if they stop now. The 4 wheelers don’t bother me because we live way off the road but my mom does not. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 12:55pm
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Guess I would first set the boundary line by the surveyor and clean that strip and put up a fence right on that line. Next give them a cease and decease in using your property...
If he starts back talking or cussin you out, then tell them that you
don't want to be a hard nose but... it's your land and he is
disrespecting you and your property, and now he can replant that strip
he destroyed with 15-20ft trees of the specie you want , one for one
that they destroyed for everyone that was over X size in diameter... ...and
if he tells you he isn't going to do that, tell him he needs to rethink
his decision because it will just get more costly for him... and he
starts ranting louder, keep your cool ... and... ...then
tell him you will have to call a forester in and have him estimate the
value of your trees and then have to take him to court to collect money
for damage, and for cleanup and for replanting the trees by a reputable
business that does restorations of such damages, and it won't be
cheap... and you will present it to him even if you have to take him to
court to get it all settled. And make sure you got somebody with that can speaka spanish or mexicana. Good Luck
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 2:20pm
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If you haven't already you should get lots of pictures of the damage. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 2:42pm
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Thad, Man sounds like your going have a hard time saving this relationship. Yes get the dozer stopped for sure. Remark the boundries as needed to be clear. Then the lawyers may need to get involved, unless your just going to accept the damage? That part about not being able to speak the language would aggravate me. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 4:47pm
| A good friend owns the plot north of us . He called the guy today and texted him a pic of our deed. The guy says he’ll pick up all his trash and put big rocks in place to block the roads they made. The county judge called the police and all the sudden they decided they did want to come look. They told Jenn we need to put no trespassing signs all along the border and use some purple tape. Hopefully this will keep them out. We’re getting a couple game cameras soon. I appreciate all the advice. I figure if they get mad at me over their mistake then I don’t need them as friends anyway. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 5:54pm
Build the wall, NOW!
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Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 6:03pm
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 11:30pm
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And make them pay for it. In all honesty, I feel for ya and hope the best for you. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2018 at 11:40pm
Agreed! And like Chaskaduo said....they pay for it! Lol! Because of this whole bulldozer ordeal, the wall just got 10' higher
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Posted By: marion
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 4:46am
| 5 acres is room for 50 trailers |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:10am
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My experience tells me that everyone is destined to have one A$$HOLE neighbor. We had one move into the house next door to my parents farm after the older couple there passed away. Then after my parents passed, I brought a place further out in the country with only two houses bordering my place. Wouldn’t you know one is a citybot anal retentive @sswipe that has to vacuum his yard twice a week and thought he could pile the grass clippings over the fence onto my side. After couple of times taking the loader and putting the clippings back into their rightful place he was complaining. I explained that HIS trash doesn’t belong on my side of the fence. Then he started knawing away at the botton of the posts with a weedwacker, so I had the spray around all the posts with Roundup. Do what you gotta do to get your neighbors to respect your property. I was brought up to treat anything belonging to someone else better than your own. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:16am
| We were told to post signs and purple paint around the border. Jenn bought signs and we hung them last night. He and his son showed up to ride 4 wheelers. They saw the signs and rode up the road to see if we put any there. I was walking home when he went by . They stopped and he said “so it’s gonna be like this huh?” I said yes it is. He got friendly again and all seemed ok. He then promised to put big rocks in front of the roads he cut just as soon as he can get the dozer back. I hope this will pass with no more issues. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:21am
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We have a nutso neighbor "Gun Dealer" that rattles off a few clips after NINE OCLOCK at night IN THE WINTER and after dark in summer. No idea how he sees, never has lights on and fully expect to get a few strays one of these days. Cops are ineffective. We have a 4 acre key slot property owner in the center of our road frontage, his house is the previous farm owners home that was his inheritance. Smell some weird odors from there on occasion has a stereo blasts all night and dogs that run the surrounding farms but not maliciously. He had a scrap junk pile that encroached to my property thru a fence, I did similar with the loader getting a bucket load and transferring back to where belonged. He still does it once in awhile I believe as he has always done that in that spot. The place is a trash hole but he tends to stay to himself, any issues and I will set the law and lawyers on him. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:14pm
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How's it going on the Nathanial front? ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:30pm
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If you really want to make them think.... backhoe several holes about 3' wide, 6' long and 6' deep.....place them 6' apart, so backhoe can refill 'as required'...... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:36pm
Very quiet. We haven’t heard a thing lately. His Grandma has taken control of the situation and I haven’t heard much lately. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 5:50pm
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Great, hope this quiets down for you too. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 9:05am
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So sorry Thad you are having to deal with this. I hope that it will all calm down at this point going forward. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 9:41am
Agreed. Just a little respect goes a long way. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:41am
| We’re getting a lot of rain. I really don’t want to see how bad this washed out when I get home from work. I’m trying to get past this but I’m having a hard time forgiving. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 12:47pm
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Iron pin survey and be done. Drive steel T post along property line close enough to see where property line runs. Common sense and courtesy are rare enough be considered super powers these days. Two things bad neighbors need to understand, stay on their own property, and stay off mine! No way would anyone buy property and not be sure of the property line here. You couldn't get a loan here to do that. Hope it all works out well. JMHO Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 3:39pm
I agree Tracy. We had to get a survey when we bought the property. All the markers are in place but the one where they dozed the road in. That line is the center of a bridge. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 5:02pm
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hmm, I'm thinking maybe they didn't get a survey..or understand it. Maybe have a local surveyer come out and explain it ? Usually one company does most surveys in an area so yours and neighbours might be same guy. Sounds like you got a creek or river that's the property line ? BUT is it exactly down the center ? or like the Great lakes...zigzaggy ? Hopefully a little friendly talk with teh surveyor to explain will smooooth things over. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:24pm
Hope you get it figured out and get to have better neighbors. I've only had problems with one of mine,,,,,and together the rest of us kinda,,,,,,made him move... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: CaseyCreek
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 9:31am
Actually, it happened to us. We had a crooked real estate agent work the area where I grew up and she told a poor sucker from out of state that a good bit of our land came with his property. We had at that time owned the property for fifty years or so. Well, the guy came up to introduce himself and very politely asked us when we could move our cattle off his new property. We at first thought that our cows were out of the fence. Then we figured out what he was saying. He didn't want to believe us at first, so we met him down at the courthouse and showed him the deeds on file. He took the news pretty well overall, but man, was he ticked at that agent! He moved a few years later, but we got along fine with him while he was our neighbor. ------------- D17 Series III,D17 Series IV, 185 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 10:06am
| This guy went 450’ on to our property with a dozer. He didn’t do nice work and now we have ruts washed out 2’ deep going down the hill. I told him 2 years ago that I bought that property and that he would never need to worry about getting any new neighbors. A week before he did this we discussed the property line and I told him what my deed said. I feel like he was being vindictive. He’s very mad about my signs. He told neighbors I’m a bad guy. Neighbors called Jenn and she let the truth out. If I’m a bad guy for not wanting a road on my property then a bad guy I am. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:13pm
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What's that old saying "speak softly but carry a big stick". Or in your case carry a big sign. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 12:37pm
Thad, you could also threaten to have "Your "friends" from Kansas City come down and chat with 'em"..... ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 1:03pm
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I don't think I would threaten them just yet. If any of them know or have MS-13 friends or any other gang affiliates, that could bring on some serious trouble you don't want. They may just need time for it all to sink in. Hopefully.
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 2:23pm
| What’s ms13? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 2:40pm
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ms-13 is a HUGE gang known for rapes,murders,drugs, etc. They could probably wipe out ALL the 'biker gangs' and 1/2 the cops in LA without blinking an eye... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 3:48pm
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Thad I'm not trying to scare you, just want you to be aware a possibility. They may not be gang anything after all. I've had some very good Mexican tenants in the past. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: CaseyCreek
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 4:23pm
Criminally, you probably have nothing. Trespassing is usually a civil offense. Civilly, however, if he damaged your property, you may have a way to stop this nonsense. Civil penalties can be very off-putting. Based on your above post, you should contact an attorney. Under NO circumstances do you want to threaten this group or be seen acting in a threatening fashion toward this group. ------------- D17 Series III,D17 Series IV, 185 |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 6:11pm
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Are the signs in spanish, so he entiendos?
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2018 at 6:34pm
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 1:26am
| fence and cable time! |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 4:50am
Shameless the center of a solid rock creek bottom is the property line. We could build a fence up the bank a little but it’s very steep and rocky. The woods are very thick there. It could be done but not an easy task. I’ve gave it some serious thought. I also worry that if they hit a fence or cable they would then own the property. It happened at Dog patch a few years back. The kid now owns Dog Patch. They did have signs. |
Posted By: iowallis
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 10:39pm
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The city/county I live in has available the Beacon Property Search. Many cities, counties, states have this. Enter your name or neighbors name and the property information comes up. Click on "map" and will show an aerial photo of the property with property line superimposed over the photo. Can't be used for "legal purposes" but the lines are pretty damn close. Argued with my neighbor when I purchased a vacant lot by my house and she claimed part of my lot was hers. Printed off the maps and told her she was welcome to pay for a survey or go to the courthouse and check but they would show you the same maps I had. Whether she went to the courthouse or not she never bothered me again. Free in my city/county but not sure if free everywhere. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 11:16pm
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Here we use the gis tax map. Each county has their own gis map and you can search with a name, an address, or look at the map and it will tell you the owner, parcel size, when it was purchased, tax value, and show the boundary ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 11:28pm
| plant thorn bushes on the line? THICK |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 2:02am
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Hey Thad,,,,I was gonna take ole Shameless some of these super duper goat head seeds,,,chit them things are murder on lawn mowers, 4 wheelers, and such,,,,Say,,,I got it,,,,how bout some great cactus seedlings,,,,
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 1:51pm
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Any new news on the border dispute, and are you deer hunting this year? ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 4:54pm
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No news on the border. It’s been very quiet and hardly any ATVs running around lately. He still hasn’t put big rocks at the opening yet like he promised. I haven’t pushed it at all. No hunting this year. My hunting grounds are gonna be subdivided and no more. I need to finish our house and buckle down and find another hunting spot. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 5:00pm
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No news I guess is good news for you. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 5:46pm
You can hunt here if you want. Long drive but it's here when you're ready  ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 5:56pm
| Your first mistake was thinking they invaded this country to make friends. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 11:12pm
| who was the dozer operator or who owned the dozer? |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 5:07am
| Shameless the neighbor did the dozer work. He works for Jimmy Jones excavation. One of the largest dirt workers in the state. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 11:53am
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BBB says 49 employees, in business since 79, no complaints filed. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 11:58am
| Jimmy Jones has no idea that this ever happened. It was his equipment on loan to an employee. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 12:35pm
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Just info for ya Thad ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 1:39pm
| Maybe you should leave him know what illegal work his equipment is involved in |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 2:09pm
| I really wonder if I should? I’ve spent a lot of time thinking on this. I don’t want to put the father of innocent children out of a job. I also wonder if I should be headed to Georgia for deer season?👍 |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 3:02pm
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Maybe call the super and ask if he could borrow the dozer to whoever again so he can get the work promised done. I know that could be kickin a laying dog and also your concern for the children, but damn it Jim(Thad) you're not a door mat. I'd ask him again first and Georgia sounds good to me. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |