Thought I had it fixed... Guess not
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Topic: Thought I had it fixed... Guess not
Posted By: BradH
Subject: Thought I had it fixed... Guess not
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 10:20pm
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When I bought my WD 45 it had an issue with the steering. The steering shaft had chewed out the quadrant, the lower support bracket, and rubbed the paint off the side of the gas tank. We came to the conclusion, with the help of several of you here, that the square tube holding everything up had been bent. I tried to straighten it using a hammer, come along, and a large tree. This resulted in the breaking of the square tube. On the bright side I now had clearance between the shaft and the gas tank. Two weeks ago I bought some good quality replacements from a salvage yard at Drakeville Ia., I can't remember how you spell the name now. Got the quadrant, square tube, and lower bracket for a hundred dollars and came home pleased that it would all work properly again. We got everything refitted today, slid the steering shaft back in place, and discovered we were right back where we started. The shaft was in contact with the gas tank again. As I said before the parts I put on are in good shape, not much wear in any of them. We shimmed the square tube out with some washers. It just barely makes contact in one spot now. I'm out of ideas now, the bracket for the gas tank isn't bent, at least not that can be seen by the human eye. I was wondering if it could be the tank? Were there differences in the gas tanks? In other words if something fell on the tractor and the previous owner got a gas tank from a different model could it be wider on the bottom causing it to make contact? Sorry for the long rambling post but I'm desperately grasping at straws here. Plus I'm a little ticked off that I can't get this problem figured out and fixed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
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Posted By: Gary in Texas
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 4:15am
| see if you can post some pictures of the square post and fuel tank, from different angles. |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 6:53am
| can you jockey the tank around a little bit? What about the bracket underneath the tank that the straps bolt to and the tank sits on? can it be jockeyed around a bit? Try loosening it and shoving it sideways half an inch or so. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 4:27pm
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I won't be able to get back out there to work on it or take pictures until mailto:W@enesday" rel="nofollow - Wednesday but I'll let you know how it goes. I tried before and couldn't do anything with the tank at the back end. That's where it makes the most contact. Thanks, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 6:16pm
| Shim the tank up, ie put a 1/4" thick piece of something between tank and saddle. I know remove your belt from your pants and cut two pieces out of it one for the front and one for the back of the saddle. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:13pm
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I'd do that but then I wouldn't have any way to carry my phone. Stupid thing is too big to fit in my pocket. Besides, this is my favorite belt. Bought it at a second hand store several years ago and can't find another that I like as much as this one. I think shimming the tank at the front is going to cause more contact at the back. I'm toying with the idea of cutting and drilling a piece of metal to add in and raise the holes for the bracket on the back of the tank. I wouldn't need much, just enough for clearance. Not sure if that's workable yet though. Out of curiosity, how much space is usually between the shaft and the tank on these tractors? Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:17pm
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Brad, Well something is not right. But you already knew that! Maybe pictures and some measurements might help too. Any WD series tractors near you for looking at? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:30pm
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Would a gas tank from like a D17 or something bolt on to a WD-45 and cause an interference fit I wonder? |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:53pm
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there is a post that supports the shaft at the back end by the steering wheel... would it be possible to bend/ move it toward the right and get clearance past the gas tank ?
... or maybe shorten the post to lower the shaft ?
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:59pm
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Did you take the hood off and make sure the tank is sitting straight and square in the cradle. You should take the tank off and check the support underneath as well. It woulld be hard to do but maybe it got bent or shifted. Maybe use a square and tape measure to measure up to the tank seam from the side rails on both sides, should be the same. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2017 at 1:20pm
| I would think you could loosen up saddle mount and shift it some to get you clearance.Isn't there just 2 bolts underneath at the back that hold it to saddle? Unless something got whacked, there should be enough play in holes to shift things around.The shaft just clears on my 45 but it has add on power steering and the shaft is in sections so the clearance could be different that straight factory shaft. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2017 at 2:08pm
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I've been asking a guy who drives a truck for the store I work at. He has several tractors that he restored, a few of them orange. He told me the tank being from different tractor shouldn't make that much difference. He just bought a WD 45 that has been sitting here in town. He told me to go look at it before he hauls it away later this week. I guess I wasn't really aware that the saddle could be adjusted any. Guess I just never looked that close when I had the tank off before. I'll have to check on that and get the pictures tomorrow when I'm out there. Thanks, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2017 at 10:25pm
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Here's a photo of the gas tank and steering shaft on my WD45 - you can see nearly an inch of clearance between them. HTH. Let me know if there are any measurements I can take for you - will be away after 10/18 for a while, so ya need to be quick! Dave  ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 9:44pm
           So I finally got out there today and got some pictures. I compared the mounting from the other guy's WD 45 with mine and they are the same. So I'm not missing anything and it's all put on right. I followed one of your suggestions from above and put a straight edge against the frame up to the side of the tank. No surprise here, it showed me that the tank is too far to the right. I didn't mess with it too much but I couldn't seem to get the tank to move any. I didn't take the bolts loose at the back end though, just too frustrated and other things to do. I don't remember from when I had it off, are the hole on the tank bracket slotted to let it move to the side? The only other thing I can figure is that the saddle is off somehow. Not sure how it would happen, but I guess I can't come up with anything else. Here are the pictures, maybe one of you who knows more than me can come up with something. Later, Brad  ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 9:59pm
| Did the tractor get rolled at some point; and bend the saddle where the tank sits? |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:07am
| What about the steering wheel itself? Is the support it mounts to in the correct position? Has that been bent to the left? Pushed forward? |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:21am
| looks to me the back bottom of the tank is shaped differently when you compare it to Dave's pic of his tank |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:25am
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can't help about the tank rubbing but... if you can, weld some X's on the clutch and brake pedals. smooth steel pedals ain't safe. I know, probably on the 'list', but having tossin my back cause the loader frame was wet the other morning has me 'cautious' now. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:29am
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&%^^&#*# Laptop!! Had a response all done up and somehow it got lost....I'll try to rethink it... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:30am
| saddle probably moved. I'm not sure, but I'd swear in one picture your tank is lower by about 3/4 inch than the other similar picture..... block of rubber underneath the tank may help, but the strap may not work anymore either. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:37am
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I just went out in the dark and COLD and took a look at mine. It appears that my steering shaft is about an inch below the tank. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE.......It could be the TANK and not the saddle... Got to thinking about it and WAS writing (when laptop went nuts and changed the page),,,,,did someone re-soldier the angle bracket that goes on the back of the gas tank?? If it is re-soldiered too far FORWARD, that would make the clearance less than it should be. In the pic it looks like it is back a little on the saddle. This would explain a lot! When it warms up here and gets light out, I'll go out and get some measurements Brad and get back to you. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 7:38am
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Just checked my 45. There is nearly 1 inch gap between shaft and tank, too. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 8:45am
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Measure the front shaft if the pin hole got wore somebody could have cut off an re drilled or is it the wrong shaft reason I ask looking at steering wheel it looks way to close to the quadrent and that would move the back shaft up ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 10:28am
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That wouldn't change the distance of the shaft to the tank. Woudn't help at all. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: polarbear
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 11:05am
| personally believe it has to be tank are tank saddle if either is bent down it would rub tank now if that would be the case loosen four bolts that hold tank saddle and put a washer between tank saddle and the torque tube that would raise tank |
Posted By: bryan/silex
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 11:49am
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I think the saddle is twisted,,,in your pics the tank is lower on one side as compared to the other if your measuring at same point ------------- WD's and 45's B's and c's and a few red ones , ALLIS EXPRESS also |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 2:31pm
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bryan/silex wrote:Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 3:22pm
| Measure the distance from the center top of the torque tube to the top edge of the center of back end of the saddle. I get about 11 3/4 inches...Maybe do the same on the back outer corners also. Distance above the back edge of the starter to the saddle base is 2.75. From the top of the hand clutch cover to the center weld of the back of the tank 15.5. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 5:18pm
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Thanks everybody for the advice. I had just about decided yesterday that it had to be the saddle, just couldn't tell for sure. The support for the steering wheel has been replaced. I got it from a salvage yard but the guy who sold it knows his stuff and I was told he'd get me good parts. Guess I have to take his word on it. I can't really tell that the tank bracket has ever been messed with. If it was they did a very good job. I didn't get many details about the tractor when I bought it but something was mentioned about a tree possibly falling on it. I'm starting to think the tank is a replacement for the old one, not sure what that means to the situation though. I think I'll take your suggestion Polarbear and put some washers under the saddle for now. At least until I can secure a replacement. I'll try and get some measurements when I take it apart. Thanks again for the help and advice. Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: jkoby
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 5:57pm
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I didn't think the gas tank on my wd went as far back over the battery as brad's? I would have to go and look at it later though. *Edited to add: I checked mine last night, it does go back over the battery.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 6:28pm
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the steering wheel shaft to battery box edge distance looks about the same on Daves and your tractor........ sure looks like the tank is mounted TOO LOW. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jkoby
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2017 at 8:41pm
    I tried to duplicate Brad's measurements. Plus a pic of the saddle/support measurement. If you have trouble reading the measurements, both sides are pretty much 17 1/4. The rear was 17 3/4 off the torque tube.
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Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 6:56am
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Is your tractor power steering? One more measurement may be the shaft itself from the frame..... P.S. unit may be clocked to make the shaft higher.
also, is the Tank too far back? that would definately cause an issue.
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Posted By: jkoby
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 8:35am
| BradH's tractor does not have power steering. Mine does. I was trying to replicate his measurements to the tank to see if it helps him figure out what part is not right. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 10:06am
| Could that be a shift tower off a late WD? If so are the holes to hold the upright in a different place? Is the tower off a WD a different height than a 45? |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 12:46pm
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Would a WC fuel tank be different? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 4:15pm
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I wondered the same thing about the fuel tank being from a different model and causing a problem. I've never been around a WC or anything else to know if the tank is any different. Thanks for the pictures and measurments, that gives me something to shoot for now. Can anybody tell me what size bolts hold on the saddle? That way I can buy some washers before I go out to the farm rather than have to go, take a bolt out, and come back to town to buy them. Anybody got any ideas on why the tank would be too far back? Like I said before, I couldn't really tell that the bracket had ever been messed with. Thanks again, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2017 at 7:01pm
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WC tank is the same size as WD/WD45 just has fuel outlet on right side where WD has it on left. |