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Finding TDC D17 Series 1 gas?

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Topic: Finding TDC D17 Series 1 gas?
Posted By: Roscoe62
Subject: Finding TDC D17 Series 1 gas?
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 9:10am
Trying to check the valve gap.  I can't see the timing marks due to the front-end loader being in the way.  I could use a mirror, but that required two people, and I did not have any help.

Is TDC always when the distributor rotor button is pointing at #1 spark plug wire?  AND, do I rotate the engine one full turn, until the rotor points at #4 plug wire to get it on the #4 compression stroke, or is it more complicated than this?

As usual, I messed something up.  After adjusting the valves (while hot) to 0.013", #2 and #3 cylinders are not firing at all.  I checked this by removing the spark plug wires one at a time, it runs much rougher when #1 and #4 wires are removed, but no change when either #2 and #3 are removed.

This engine was rebuilt about 100 hours ago, and it is having power problems after it gets hot, so I thought a quick check of the valve lash would be a good thing to rule out.  I followed the instructions in the I&T book where you adjust in and out on #1, and one each of #2 and #3, and then rotate the engine until #4 is on compression and adjust those two, and the alternate ones on #2 and #3.

So, me being me, I must have messed something up and I now have a new opportunity to find the problem.  

This has the Petronix electronic ignition, and nearly new plug wires from Steve @ B&B.  I tried swapping the #2 and #3 plugs out with two used ones that were in my parts bin, with no success.  I doubt that is the problem.

Stopping today to get new plugs, but I am am thinking I messed something up when adjusting the valves.  Some were just slightly tight, maybe .008 - .011 instead of the recommended settings.

Anyway, now it is worse than before, 
        running on two, instead of four.

Thanks, 
- Roscoe





Replies:
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 10:49am
Do you have the 2 and 3 plug wires reversed? Since Firing order is 1-2-4-3, if 2 and 3 are reversed, you would only have 1 and 4 firing.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 10:58am
TDC should be when the rotor is pointing at # 1. Turning one full turn should be TDC for cylinder #4. (Compression stroke should be just before TDC)
 
Power problems when warm could be a few things:
~Spark plugs not gapped right . Do not use Champion plugs. They don't work well in an AC 226 engine
~an obstruction of fuel
~coil getting weak
~poor condenser
 
Does it have good power when you first start it and loses power after it warms up?


Posted By: Roscoe62
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 11:56am
No, I double checked the firing order.  Sounds like I got the TDC thing correct.  I re-checked the valve gap two additional times.  

Could be the spark plugs, there were champion J8C's.  I am picking the 295's today.

Could be the coil.  But it means that I have two weak coils, I swapped it out once already. 

Could be a fuel or air restriction.  That is where I was heading before ruling out the valve adjustment.  Once I get #2 and #3 firing again, I am going to clean out the air cleaner, and then get the carb rebuilt.  

Could also be ignition timing, since it was also getting hot.  I will re-check that with a light and mirror, once (if) I get it firing on 4 cylinders.

It did run good when cold and get worse at it warms up.  But now, it is running on #4 and #1 cylinders only.

It does not have a condenser.  I have the electronic ignition on it.

Thanks.

- Roscoe.


Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 8:17pm
I have seen engines run bad from the valves being too tight. They may run fair when cold but get worse as they warm up, even die . Are your rockers or rocker shaft worn bad? They can cause the problem with valve adjustment.


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 7:12am
As per DrAllis, "adjust all the valves to .015" COLD".

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