Hacking into John Deere
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Topic: Hacking into John Deere
Posted By: CrestonM
Subject: Hacking into John Deere
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 1:14am
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Took a break from studying for midterms and stumbled upon this article a friend sent me. There was some discussion about it on here a while back. It's not very long, but still a good read. http://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/farmers-using-hacked-firmware-to-bypass-john-deeres-software-stranglehold/" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/farmers-using-hacked-firmware-to-bypass-john-deeres-software-stranglehold/ P.S.- the photos in the article showcase their new "4 track" ("totally different" from Quadtrac) tractors. Everyone knows they just copied Case 20 years after they pioneered them. |
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 5:57am
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The hackers have been around for a while. Somebody hacked 6000 hours off a JD tractor that I bought. JD said it couldn't be done. This is a fully electronic engine with an ECM. I understand both sides of this fight. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 7:39am
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re: JD said it couldn't be done. hahaha.. it AIN'T rocket science.... just very,very simple microcomputing,stuff I did 30 years ago. Back then I 'reverse engineered' the best ULC AA listed computer for burglary systems using only a scope and my brains. These days you've got fancy PCs and the Interet making the job a lot easier. I can see both sides too, but, IF there was 1 error code for 1 sensor(easy to do BTW) it'd make life a LOT easier for everyone. Same holds true for cars and such. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 9:12am
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I should have been more specific. JD techs can not alter the engine hours in the engine ECM.
All the data was still there but with altered hours. JD stonewalled the tech and said it could not be done. Somebody figured it out.
Jay, I know now why you live out in the woods under the witness protection program.
What is your real name???? LOL! ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 10:22am
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My brother works for JD. Trust me he's called on more than one occasion asking my opinion on why a tractor wont run or perform. I give him some direction to look and might even say the exact component that fails. They tend to throw parts at the machines until its fixed but the customer gets to pay for them not being able to diagnose an electronic engine properly. Its not just JD, I have to work along side Caterpillar technicians and they are almost as bad. So i understand the manufactures point but i also see the otherside as well. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 12:06pm
Geez, you would think that's why they go to tech school! Lol
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CALEBnOK wrote:Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 1:26pm
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Tech Schools are a joke, we quit hiring people directly out of tech schools. The only thing that works is experience, we are having better luck hiring high school graduates, starting them with basic oil change/ minor repairs and slowly teaching them. As for the technology, as a AGCO Dealer we can not remove hours from a unit. Most models we can not add hours, so when we replace a dash it is hard to get the exact hours back on them. The only way for us to get the exact hours is to have the factory rep with us when we install and check against ECM hours. On the newer units they have made this easier for us. |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 3:05pm
Whoever had that tractor must have really kept it up if you couldn't tell it had 6000 hours more than it was showing on it. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 3:34pm
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re: JD stonewalled the tech and said it could not be done. Somebody figured it out. yeah, like the early PC and software. I was asked if I could recover all the data(health records) on an IBM PC (I'd never seen one). Asked them is $2000 a fair price if I recover it all? They said yes... 2 days later I dropped it off and got the cheque. It only took me 20 minutes but I figured it'd look better if I waited a couple days. Same thing with programs. Back then some companies only allowed you to make 2 copies. When I gave the guy back his floppy disc and said try it, it worked and worked and worked...unlimited copies.. You see back in them days you HAD to KNOW how 'stuff' worked,right down to 'chip' level. The deeper you got, quicker you could fix stuff,make more coins ! I miss the 'good old dayze'. Computers are only as smart as the guys programming them...... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 4:11pm
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VAfarmboy, It came with original front tires and no wear on the draw bar hole. Further investigation: Was a Florida sugar cane cultivating tractor and may have pulled a fertilizer spreader now and then. 89% of hours were under 50% engine load and 79% were under 1500 rpm. IVT trans. Learned to read date codes on tires. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 4:33pm
| I dont expect too many curve balls get past Calvin...If the unit had 6 K more hours than it appeared, yes, someone must have taken good care of it. And spruced it up good for sale as well. All depends on the owner/operator. I have a friend with a 95 2188 and a 96 2188. Somewhere around 3500 hours seperator. They look new, inside and out. They are vaccumed, Armoralled, polished, extremely well maintained. He spends a week on each one every winter, has a check list from Case Ih he goes through. Wouldnt hesitate to buy one from him. A neighbor of ours, I wouldnt buy a combine from him with 800 hours on it because he is the kind of guy that can wreck a 100 pound anvil with a rubber mallet. Trev. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 5:00pm
My late grandpa was that way, and I know some other people that way. It's hard seeing that kind of abuse on equipment, especially when I'm so picky myself. I know other people that keep their machines looking very nice, yet they don't believe in proper preventive maintenance and lubrication on the Gleaner....it looks almost brand new, yet you are always getting out of the cab to put a chain back on. On the other hand, a buddy of mine isn't as "particular" as I am on machine appearance, yet he doesn't skimp on maintenance (unless it's a "get me through the rest of the day" patch). His Gleaner L3 and M2 look kinda rough, but when they get in the field, there's no stopping them and they don't miss a beat!
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 5:02pm
I always thought that was the best way to learn. Real world experience. That, and reading the tips and advice from the experts here!
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Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 11:53am
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Set any tractor on a pump or gen set and watch the hours go. It is a clean straight tractor . Calvin got screwed by someone disshonest. Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: blue924.9
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 9:31pm
I STRONGLY DISAGREE with this statement it all depends on the individual. The Deere tech school I go to is awesome. Its got good staff with years of experience. Its a very strict program, miss 3 days and on the 4th you pack your crap up and try again next quarter if your dealership lets you. Other programs are different, I know the Deere school in Iowa is alot worse than the nebraska one which is why I go to the Nebraska one even though the Iowa school is cheaper and closer ------------- hi my names dan, I am a young guy. i have a problem, i prefer my tractors orange and my clutches mechanical, thanks for letting me share |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 10:20pm
I have to agree with you, (I assume you are talking about Milford?). There they have all kinds of dealerships, and other business standing in line, to pickup their graduates.
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Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 11:19pm
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,"tech" schools are a joke in most cases but I never considered the manufacture backed schools a tech school. If you are tought specifically about one brand it is a huge leg up when working on that brand. The generic schools give a general overview on most things and never get in deep in diag. In 2000-2002 I went to GM's ASEP program,graduated top In my class and was given the "leadership award". I went on to work 8 years at the local chev/caddy dealer. I was hired thermat the same time as a friend from high school so only went through go-tech. For at least 4 years I was a much more successful tech but then the experience thin came into play and thing evened out. Funny thing is we both have since wised up and left the dealership. He is half owner of a transmission shop and I work for a great family owned forklift company. Guess I got off track there ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: blue924.9
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 8:23pm
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Yeah talking about Milford. I agree experience does play a bigger factor though. The only problem is experience takes time and mistakes and nobody is born with it ------------- hi my names dan, I am a young guy. i have a problem, i prefer my tractors orange and my clutches mechanical, thanks for letting me share |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 10:08pm
Tell me about it!
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2017 at 10:09pm
| schools and classes are great to learn the newest technoligy but that experiance is what gets the job done and makes the shop money at the end of the day . i have a neighbor that is in a john deere tech school ( he is young ) but he dosnt really know how to do basic things . most shops dont get the easy things to figure out and fix the farmer does those |