New to me Model D Identify please
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Topic: New to me Model D Identify please
Posted By: TurboTexas
Subject: New to me Model D Identify please
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 10:07am
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I stumbled onto a Model D, and I'm not sure how to figure out what year engine etc. I tried searching, but I kept getting rejected for the 3 letter minimum! Now I can't load photos from my iphone6+! Too large of a file size... Pretty lame I can't get any help here!! |
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Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 10:36am
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You have to edit the size of your picture to shrink it down. On the left side there should be a serial# stampd on the flange where the engine bolts to the tranny/torque tube. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 1:37pm
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If you are referring to a D Grader the serial number would be on a plate riveted to the frame where you climb onto the grader. The number should start with a 'D' followed by 4 numbers. Post these numbers and someone on this site can tell you the year. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 7:03pm
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Where can I find info on fluids, capacity and types? I've already changed the engine oil! Looking for where you fill, where the levels need to be, what weight of lube for chain boxed and the tranny! |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 7:06pm
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You haven't said what you have yet. Is it a D grader or a D series tractor? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:01am
My apologies, it's a Model D grader |
MNLonnie wrote:Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:02am
| Any suggestions on a .jpeg size reduced that works well with an iPhone?? |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:09am
 This is no help! |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:16am
       
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:01pm
| Grille looks like the '52 D, in norm's construction book. It should have a wd 226 c.i.motor, either that or it could have a 201 from a wc if someone swapped one in. I'd take some gentle paint remover, to that aluminum tag, and use a scotch brite kitchen pad, and gently brush back the orange paint, to see if the stamped numbers are still there. Could be that some idiot sandblasted everything away, before that last orange hosing. There could also be a block number, up above the carb, on top of the block, near the VC gasket surface. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:05pm
On second viewing pf the pix, it looks like a D special, with the leaning front wheels, power angle, etc. What size are the tires?
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:26pm
The tire size is 8.25 20 This has the power circle and yes the tires lean! |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:09am
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Is there an online manual to these? I'm still needing to know what kind and capacities in the fluids department! Or is there a way to search on here without the 3 letter block kicking in? |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:57am
| Looks like you have a real gem there, Turbo Texas. Looks sweet. Unfortunately, I won't be of any assistance to you on it, but be patient, and information will come. Like another said, try removing the paint from that serial number plate, and hopefully the serial number will show up. Traffic is a little slow here on the construction side of the forum, but some knowledgeable people will show up for you with the information that you need. Darrel |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 9:01am
Frustrating that I can't find any info on a simple thing like fluid changes? |
Posted By: Ages Cat
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 12:21pm
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The wheel hubs appear to be (non-D Special) equipment. Grill is the late style grill usually used with the square tube machines. ------------- Curt Anderson HD3, HD5B, HD6E, HD6AG,HD6B dozer, I-400, 615, 616,(2) 620, 720, ACP25 lift truck, 1956 D Special Grader, AC 540 loader, AC 655 crawler loader, AC #84 plow, Simplicity lawn tractors. |
Posted By: Ross D.
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 4:10pm
Hi. General information: I am still having problems with 'sizing'. I hope you can glean some information from this article that will lead to you being able to get the information you require. There are certain items that appear to have been changed, added, or deleted. Example: the power steering was never installed this way by A.C., although they used some Behlen rotation units on some of the steering columns.Sorry, all my manuals are back at my shop in Ontario; or, I could look up some of the details that you are asking about. We are currently in Florida. Ross D. |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 5:51pm
Thank you for the bit of history! Enjoy your warm winter! I'm from South Texas, and I grew up seeing "Snowbirds" come and go! I can't blame ya for wanting to get out of the cold!! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:03pm
Look for that number, on the head, it may be traceable, and may tell you if its a wd motor. If so, engine data will be the same as for a wd tractor engine, as far as specs and capacities. does it have power blade slide? If so, it is a d special, to spite what the decal by the seat says...
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:05pm
on edit: Looked at pix, again, no power blade slide, so its just a D...
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:30pm
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I'm not sure what a power slide is? The engine oil has been changed, with a 10/30 and Lucas oil stabilizer! Now I'd like to drop the fluids in the transmission, & the two chain boxes! I would also like to replace all the hydraulic fluid out to new! Just so I know everything's right! |
Posted By: Ross D.
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:10pm
Hi again. Serial number location !  Ross. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 7:23pm
shrink to fit
  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 10:12pm
I posted a photo... someone got carried away with the paint! :( |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 10:13pm
I'd love to find the ripper attachment! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 5:52am
powerslide allows you to move the blade about a foot to the left or right, hydraulic-ly...
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 7:38am
| Actually I believe it has that option? 5 total hand controls... |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 7:39am
| So what kind of oil do I put into the chain boxes? |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 2:51pm
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Well the AC 45 book says above 32 F SAE 50 engine oil FWIW |
Posted By: Dgrader
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 5:49pm
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I used 90 weight in the D we had. ------------- Ya cain't fix stupid. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 6:11pm
You'll have to look at the top back of the blade, for hydraulic hoses going into it. Your grader, from what I see don't have it. The yellow grader picture seems to have it. If you have it, you will see a real long hydraulic cyl, parallel to the blade, at the top...
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Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2017 at 7:57pm
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I used 90 weight in the chain boxes and transaxle. You have one oddball tire on the back. Since all four wheels are locked together you will have some tire scrubbing if all four tires are not identical. The three matching tires look fairly new so a new matching tire should work. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2017 at 5:49pm
Like this? 
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2017 at 5:50pm
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Found time to clean up the Vin number! What year is this one? 
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2017 at 5:57pm
The tires are going to be remedied after I do all the fluids! My neighbor just bought his property next to me, and he'll need a road cut... He owns a tire shop! 😜😜😜 What would running regular 30 weight oil work like in these chain boxes? I would think you'd want something light enough to travel with the chain as it goes around? I have found a fill home at the top, and a drain hole at the bottom, but haven't found a level check hole anywhere? Suggestions? Anyone know where to get the wheel seals at? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2017 at 6:20pm
No, lower, very top of the blade, about 10" from the ground... Yours is a '58, by the numbers. Not a DD, cause its stamped a D. DD's had every option there was, at the time of production...
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Posted By: Ross D.
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2017 at 8:46pm
| Hi. Look at the post above yours, 'M100 grader film'. At the 4.00 min. mark, it will show you the side sliding blade in action. Ross |
Posted By: Dgrader
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 5:16am
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I ran the oil level in the chain boxes about halfway between top and bottom of chain. Just make sure bottom is always runnin in oil. ------------- Ya cain't fix stupid. |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 5:36pm
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I would stick with 90 weight. There are reproduction manuals and service books available from suppliers on this site. I no longer have my grader or any of the literature that I had accumulated but I thought there was a plug on the side of the chain box that was used to check the full level, My grader was a 59 model with a serial number starting at 54XX something so I would say your's might be a 58. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 6:23pm
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Found my operators manual, today. Says 50 weight for the tranny, rear, and gearboxes. 90 weight EP, in the steering worm, and 10 weight, in the Hydraulic system. Also says if operating in cold weather, hyd can be thinned with kerosene... Keep in mind that these are old oil ratings, and the newer oils are not rated the same, so some common sense comes into play...
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Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2017 at 5:56am
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I found a VIN D-5339 |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2017 at 6:13am
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That would be handy as heck! I wish this was a DD! But it'll have to do for now! Biggest thing I wish it had was the ripper attachment! I found a "parts machine that has one, but he's asking too much! I wonder if I could transfer the ripper off that machine onto mine?
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2017 at 5:30pm
| What's he want fer the ripper? It should just bolt right up, need an extra valve body section, too... |
Posted By: TurboTexas
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2017 at 10:22pm
He doesn't want to "part it out", even though it's not even a roller? Fromtvend is off, -'d the engine is pulled and rusted! He wants $2500.00 and I'd have to bring a fork lift to get it on a trailer???? I'll call him back in a few weeks and offer him something different! |