Allis chalmers disc
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Topic: Allis chalmers disc
Posted By: nick121
Subject: Allis chalmers disc
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 5:36am
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I found a disc for sale that is 25 feet wide. Suppose to be in working condition but I can see its missing a blade and I think it needs a few more blades too. Im guessing my Allis 7040 wont pull a 25 foot disc? I would have to buy duals im sure. Im at stock horsepower I believe with loaded tires. Heres a link to the disc http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/norfolk-county/25-foot-allis-chalmer-disc/1197140058 Tell me what you think, if I should run from it or maybe it just needs some work. It also doesn't have scrapers so that might be a problem.
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Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 5:37am
| If you highlight the link and right click , there is an option to go to the link. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 5:40am
| http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/norfolk-county/25-foot-allis-chalmer-disc/1197140058" rel="nofollow - http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/norfolk-county/25-foot-allis-chalmer-disc/1197140058 |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:06am
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That looks really nice for $3000, even needing a little TLC. I would think your 7040 would pull it but it depends on the soil type and if it is hilly. My opinion is that would be the largest disk to pull with a 140 hp tractor "here" in relatively flat sandy loam soil. I pulled a 30' disk with a White 2-150 years ago and it had plenty of power for the disk at 150 hp. ------------- Part time farming with a 1980 7060 and 1984 F3 hydro. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 6:11am
| it is missing a few disks and scrapers, they are relitivly cheap if just a few are needed, can use chain for scrapers like I explained earlier in a post. the blades also look quite wore down. but will still work for awhile. AC disks pull easier than most. but i'm sure you will need duals. 7040 should pull it o-k. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:12am
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I might go take a look at it. I'm just afraid of I buy it I won't be able to pull it. My ground is Loam. Not really clay or sand. I am using a 10 foot bushog disc that doesn't cut at all. I used to pull the 10 foot with a Massey 165 or a 990 D david Brown. I don't want to kill my tractor trying to pull it |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:17am
| That disc has adjustable gang angles, so you can lighten the load a bit at the lowest setting. Four really good matched rear tires on your 7040 are a MUST if you're going to try to pull that disc. |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:29am
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I have a 26ft just like that. I pull it with a 7060 and 7080. Traction is the issue I have plenty of power. I've never had it behind my 7040 but in a pinch I wouldn't be afraid of it. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:32am
| Dr. Allis I might pass this one because I have worn firestone spade grip rice tires on it. I also don't have duals yet. I might look for a 18-22 foot disc. I really want one that will actually cut , not a angle frame disc |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:33am
| I would also say you'll either want fluid filled rear tires or weights also. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:35am
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I do have fluid in my tires. I just think I will run out of traction |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:52am
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*off color - may not be suitable for sensitive readers* When I was a kid, we used to pull a 24' white disk with a Deere 4520 with fluid and duals. Only 130 HP, but about 500 lbs heavier than you maybe. Had 18.4 tires. Pulled it ok I was told. I pulled it once with a 4440, can't remember if it had fluid then. It pulled it fine, but if you hit a little wet or sticky spot, you were raising the disk. A couple years later they bought an old Deere 4wd 7020. I pulled it a lot with that and never had any traction issues. I don't know how the white disk would pull compared to the Allis. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:59am
| It's a tough choice. I don't want to pass it up but it would be the max the tractor would pull. I like the case 490 discs but they are 8000 plus dollars |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:03am
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You could probably resell if it didn't work well for you. If you're disking now though with a 10' disk, you must not be doing that many acres and maybe a 20' would be better. Even then you'll probably want duals. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:11am
| I did 40 acres this year. 70 next year and hopefully keep expanding. So no not a lot of acreage so a 20 foot will work Just fine. |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 1:41pm
Unless you have really flat fields and light soil I think you are going to have a hell of a time pulling that disk with a 7040. We used to pull a 19' Deere 220 disk with a 4440 (about the same HP as a 7040) with duals and fluid in the inside tires and on occasion we had traction problems in some conditions. Our neighbors used to have a 24' AC disk identical to the one you are looking at and they always pulled it with a Deere 8430 articulated 4x4. |
nick121 wrote:Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 2:05pm
| well a 25 ft disk is gonna pull a lot different than your 10 ft disk! |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 4:28pm
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We have a Center Fold 3500 I think it is, with near new blades, narrower than that one, and our 7030 in good shape will not pull it in flat silty loam, unless you are in a low gear, and then you run out of traction without duals. Our 7060 weighted up with duals plays with the same disc, so as others have said, I think you are borderline on being able to do it with the setup you have. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 4:35pm
| 2500, not 3500. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 5:35am
| I am going to pass on it. I dont think my tractor will pull it. I think 20-22 feet is enough for this tractor. I will keep looking around maybe another one will come up for sale. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 2:24pm
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If a 7040 wouldn't pull that disc, l would get rid of the 7040 before l got rid of the disc. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 2:32pm
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I think you're smart for passing. You said you had worn out tires. You said you would need to buy duals. So you're looking at, what, $4000 in tires to give your tractor a shot with a 25' disc that needs work? Go 22', and drive a little faster when you can and not work the snot out of it all day long. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 4:48pm
| Yeah thats my exact thoughts. I dont have enough experience with my soil also to be sure how it will pull. These tires will still last me a couple seasons but I doubt they would pull a 25 foot disc. |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:42pm
| Since it is going to need repairs why no take two disc off each gang.You would only need to shorten the axles. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:47pm
| If I did that would I just have to take the axle shaft to the machine shop to get new threads after I cut it down? |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:27pm
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You wouldn't have to shorten the axles at all. Just use the center of a wore blade as a spacer. You'll be at the same length. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 3:16am
| Yup or build it out with anything like stacking washers or pipe. We had an 12 foot I think ac disc set when I was a kid. It didn't fold and was almost too wide to transport it would be over both the yellow and white lines at the same time. Anyway that disc had sealed bearings and we would have to replace two every summer dishing 150 acres two passes so 300 actually acres I guess you could say but the second pass pulls alot easier smoothing it out. Anyway the bearings where 100 each back in the 80s that is what would scare me with a used disc I'd someone abused it and ran it with bad bearings you could have one heck of a repair bill. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 3:29am
| wow..... |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 5:17am
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Nick, I'm in Ontario and will likely have a set of 38" T rail snap on dual rims and hardware for sale. Will know for sure after Saturday. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 6:03am
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Too bad your not closer, I have a 18 foot Krause disc for sale that would be great for your 7040. I has 19 inch blades and in good shape. Probably going to take it to Mowery auction today. With duals, unless you really go deep, your 7040 should pull it. Friend of mine had a 21 foot 490 and it played with it. Good luck. If you look around you can find a nice 490 around $3000 also. ------------- CA WD WD45 D17 D17 Diesel 7060 8050 8070 |
Posted By: D17JIM2
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 7:29am
| Pulled a 24 foot 490 IH in black and clay hill ground with a 1066 IH for ten years on stalks and plowed ground. Duals, weights and fluid. Never had power or traction problems. It was tuned up to about 150 HP. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 8:25pm
| what are the specs on this disc? What size blades originally? What is the approx weight on a 25 footer. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 8:31pm
| I always left a wing disk folded up for first time disking corn stalks, then in the spring unfolded for disking the seed bed. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 8:39pm
| Did it do a good job of turning corn stalks? I think I would mostly use it on bean stubble so it should be a problem |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 9:24pm
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Nick you need to talk to Randy. Get the Allis idea out if your head. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 9:25pm
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You can't disk with the wings up on that disk. The transport tires will hit the wing frame. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 9:35pm
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Well Im in Ontario hes in Illinois. discs here are crazy expensive. Sometimes you gotta make do I guess. I asked on Agtalk and they didn't say they are a bad disc. One fellow even said he would rather use a 2500 allis chalmers than a 496 case
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Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 9:37pm
| Dans 7080: Oh yeah I just looked at the picture Duh. Oh well its probably rough on it trying to disc with wings up even if i could anyways |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 4:00am
| I have an AC center fold disk, an IH 470 manuel fold wing disk, and a 496 hyd fold wing disk. they all do great, and all pull easier than the jd disk dad had. they also do a better job than that green disk ever thought of! IH disks never did have good scapers, and now the scraper mounts are worse than the older disks had. my AC disk never had any problems with the scrapers. and it flexs good on uneven ground better than IH disks. and of course you can't disk with a center fold, folded up! but it has big blades and does a real good job of cutting and deep tillage. in order for deeper tillage with the IH disks, that's when I would carry the wings folded for more weight. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 5:54am
| its not a center fold, Its a double wing fold disc. |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 9:44am
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I wouldn't be scared of the disk nick. They are a great disk. The way my 7040 and 7080 are weighted they are within a couple hundred lbs. THe 7040 may pull it a gear slower. If you take a couple blades off you will be right where everyone says you should be. The wing wheels can be mounted on the inside of the wing so you don't leave a wheel track. Idk what your budget is but I doubt you'll find a 20-22' for that price as there are a lot a people in your position. With a Lil work you would have a great disk at a good price. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 8:29pm
Not long ago someone posted pics of a decent CIH disc on Agtalk that sold for like $1100. Pretty sure if you ask on Agtalk what's your best disc for $3000 not many would say Allis. Not sure why your hung up on this disc? I live in northern Michigan my disc came from central Kansas. Dealer backed it on my trailer and the F250 drug it home. Once it's on a trailer and chained down half the battles over. Heck I towed my 31 foot finisher 300 plus miles home. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 9:03pm
| If you go look at discs in Ontario for less than $4000 You dont come up with many discs. I will not buy a John Deere 220 or any other Deere disk for that matter. If this one works half decent Im happy. It only has to do 75 acres 2 times over in the spring, until I pickup more land. So I can always re blade it as I get the money to do so. I will drive within 150-200 kms To find one but not over the border. |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 9:16pm
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Could you take one disk blade off each end and put a spacer there instead? Or if you have 4 bad blades cut them down with the blue wrench and you would do no machine work or finding of some sort of spacers. That would narrow it down to pull (a little) easier and save you from getting the bad or missing blades. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 9:41pm
| The Allis 2500 series Disks, were the best kept secret in AG. We had several, I would take these over anything, except for maybe a Sunflower. |
Posted By: Dkienzle
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:44pm
| Nick that was me that said I'd rather have the 2500. Actually the best disk I was around from that time frame was a ta 21 sunflower. But those aren't real common and don't see many for sale. If if the bearings aren't shot on the allis 2500 and the blades are decent I'd personally go for it. You dont have to polish the spools with it and if your only going over 70 acres, I think a guy could get buy for a season or two. Just my opinion. |
Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 7:58am
| Good to see you on here too. I Was thinking I would be fine because I only have a small acreage. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 9:01pm
Definitely stay away from the Deere 220. Had one and hated it. I remember leaving a good blood trail after messing with the scrapers. Keep looking spring is along way away and grain is cheap it's a buyers market. Neighbor had 2500 he copied the caster wheels on my Sunflower. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |