Changing narrow to wide front
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Topic: Changing narrow to wide front
Posted By: rossinmich
Subject: Changing narrow to wide front
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 9:52pm
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Thinking of changing one of my wd's to wide front. Have a narrow front on it now, and know of a wide front available. What all is involved to do this? Please help me out. I know that many wide fronts are 3 or 4 bolt. |
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Posted By: ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 10:27pm
| 3 bolt are the earlier and correct to the WD, but four bolt will work also. Changing it out isn't that hard to do, just work. Make a good support for the frame rails. I made one out of angle iron and made a U that sits solid on the ground. I picked up the two vertical bolt holes by the front of the engine. Took off front wheels, popped the pin out of the u joint from the steering shaft to the shaft that goes to the steering wheel. Unbolt the four bolts on each side of your narrow front bolster. What I had to do was wedge something between the frame rails to somewhat spread them. It would help to have the bolts out of the front engine support and the radiator to facilitate that, but sometimes the bolster will come out without doing all that. Once you get the narrow front one out, put the wide front one in, and bolt in and connect the wide front underneath. If you're lucky, you can find a narrow front that bolts underneath the wide front bolster, so if you want to switch back and forth, you won't have to remove the bolster ever again. I wish I had pictures, but I dont'. |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:16pm
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I changed 2 tractors in the yard(grass) by myself. The hardest part can be the steering universal.
------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 12:57am
| the wd45 i just bought has a rear axle out of a red combine for a wide front. some may call it jimmy rigged, i guess i would have too until i saw it, now it's inginuity! and it works! |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 11:01pm
| larry...you said it all about the steering "u"joint i have removed several of them and it can be a bear.if you have power steering its a breeze the splined coupling.slides out of the bottom of the power unit |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 11:15pm
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It gets more complicated trying to figure out what the last person put it back in with and where they welded, I have yet to find one as original. Speaking of the p.s., The coupling below the factory unit only slides a little down the shaft ???? I have sanded my shafts down very little to let coupling slide and shaft can installed or taken out very easily to service joint. ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 11:29pm
let me repeat that for those who may have missed it, "The hardest part can be the steering universal." Larry is right on on that one, if somebody messed up that roll pin, or if it is worn uneven, You're in for an adventure. I've had some come right out, and then there's the other ones! LOL
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bigfish_Oh wrote:Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 11:38pm
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I remember, 2 x 6's, cement block, couple sockets, long extensions, hammer, bigger hammer, %*@# and more $#%&*. This is where I ordered my roll pin punch set. I was in the yard
fighting with it when the UPS truck pulled in with my new toys/tools. I am not afraid of them any more, respectful, but not fearful ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 14 May 2010 at 8:14pm
| big fish,you have it figured out and flying straight and level. you are not the larry trout that went to school with my brother kenny freck are you??? |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 May 2010 at 8:33pm
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The last universal I disconnected I dissed it with the blue flame wrench. I just had to cut me a new piece of streessproof to replace the input shaft to the pedestal. The pins I have removed were solid and were swedged into a chamfer on both sides of the u joint.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 14 May 2010 at 8:35pm
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No, that's not me. I do know of 2 other unrelated LT's close to me, I've met & exchanged business cards with one of them and got UPS(ford stuff, knew it wasn't mine) that was the other's !! ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: RickM(MO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2010 at 10:26pm
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Guess I was lucky when I put power steering on my 45 recently. The solid pin in the universal came right out and went back in with no problem. Now I am worried that it may not stay in!!! I would hate to have that thing drop out out while I was driving it!! ------------- Missouri Allis Chalmers Club Member; 1954 WD45 (NF), 611LTD & 811GT Lawn Tractors |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 14 May 2010 at 11:35pm
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I think I put a zip tie thru a less than pressed tight roll pin before
------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: RickM(MO)
Date Posted: 15 May 2010 at 6:47am
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Larry, Good suggestion but mine has a solid pin, not a roll pin. Maybe I will take it out and reinstall with Loc-Tite. ------------- Missouri Allis Chalmers Club Member; 1954 WD45 (NF), 611LTD & 811GT Lawn Tractors |