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Topic: V8 tractor engine swap?
Posted By: corbinstein
Subject: V8 tractor engine swap?
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 9:28am
Who did the 305 V8 into a D series?

I wonder what adapter had to be made for the clutch setup and the bolt in?



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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:24pm
There's been a couple of the family here that have done a V8 swap. I had my feelers out for someone that made the adapter plate myself a while back but nobody stepped up to the plate to say who it was. they might have made the plate themselves. Some here have machine shops or work in a machine shop. I would think that would be a pretty cool item to make for folks who wanted to "play" and build a V8 Tractor...

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:05pm

VERY interesting subject,,,but don't think you're gonna get very many info returns,,I do know ole Shameless has a WD with a Chevy in line 6 with two (2) transmissions,,,,think they had to extend the frame a couple of feet to get all that into the frame,,,,
Before I found the 149 for my D14,,I had bought a very low hour D17 engine out of a Demo combine and tried to find someone here that had done that changeover before and finally found a guy that had a template for an adapter to hook it up to the D14 bellhousing,,,,alas,,I started on the rebuilding of the D15 II,,and then just rebuilt the 149 and got the D14 going. But I will some day do that as a project just to say I did it,,,,,LOL
I would almost bet real money several of the Pulling boys have done that exact swap,,,but you can't prove it by me,,,,, Looks like a match made just for the D series and cannot figure somebody not making those adapters for sale here,,,,, GOOD,,GOOD Luck on your search,,,


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:51pm
Long ago an uncle of mine put a V-8 car engine into a tractor needing and engine that he used to run a saw mill with a belt drive. It worked but with the lower speed of the tractor he had a problem of it overheating probably from not enough water flow from the water pump(s) or the fan on the radiator or too small a radiator. Even then car engines (probably early 50s) were made to run faster at full power than tractor engines.

Gerald J.


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 8:03pm
the frame was not stretched any!


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 9:48pm

    the frame was not stretched any!
    I KNEW that would wake you up from your nap,,,,, I remember you said it was a Chevy 6 but you never did say if inline or V6,,,,? I just never could picture it having TWO transmissions or figure what their reasoning was for doin it that way,,,,,with you NOT wantin to use a camera,,,guess somebody is goin to have to travel up there and get a pic of that "mystery Tractor",,,SAY,,,,did you ever use it on the farm,,???,,,,HEY!!!! reckon why ole Les ain't wantin to bail us curious peoples out and just go on over to your place,,,it just across that little ole river,,,and get us some pics of you,,,er,,,your tractor,,,,
Ya wannna go get some coffee,,,????


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 10:38pm
Les has seen it, so has Dpower and Orange Blood and a few others!


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 10:12am

   Shameless!!!!!,,,I would NEVER dream of doubtin your word,,,cause bein as we good buddies,,,I gotta take yore word as gospel,,,well,,,,,maybe better back up a little,,,that's getting a little deep and we don't wanna go that deep,,,just I do believe you,,,,,,,I just wanna see it with these eyes and I would rather see it in person to see what and how they did the modify'in and then,,,,,,WAIT,,,Shameless,,,,!!!!!! you just might have give me an idea on how to make a nice pile of MONEY,,,MONEY,,,like in,,,,you're gonna have to dig more holes behind them barns ,,,,,,and since it MY idea,,,I just as well use MY backhoe and dig my own MONEY holes too,,,,cause we gonna NEED TO,,,, whew,,,!!! I'm getting out of breath thinkin bout the possibilities here,,,You GOT to bring thet tractor down here quick as you can,,,so's I can do some searchin and lookin and measuring and well,,I better not let the goose out the bag just yet but you ketch my drift,,????
Better go make sure ole Hungry is on the job and nobody carries off my backhoe,,,,,,,,


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 11:57am
me thunks...I already knows what yer thunking! and since it'll be MY proto-type...it's gonna costs YOU! me also thunks I needs to gits that thing goin agin!


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 11:59am
oh...and maybe puts that PS off that WD on this one?


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 12:00pm
be back later...Gunsmoke is on now!


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 5:35pm
Joe you can go up there to "help get it running again" Shameless won't notice all the measurements and drawings are not needed. Also you would have to disassemble it some to install that power steering you never know just what might have to come off to put that on.... lol


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 5:42pm
http://leamantractorparts.com/cumminsintofarmallinternationalihadapter4bt6btzoomenlargeclicktoscrollupclicktoscrolldownsellonelike.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://leamantractorparts.com/cumminsintofarmallinternationalihadapter4bt6btzoomenlargeclicktoscrollupclicktoscrolldownsellonelike.aspx
You could call the place above they build kits to put a cummins into a farmall I am sure they would be happy to look into an ac. I keep looking at that because I would love to make a farmall h air cooled diesel. I am toying with the idea of a hatz z790 diesel for my h I think it would be about the same power as the h had stock and alot better on fuel. My h motor could be saved but it needs a complete overhaul and I really would like a diesel.   I know people on here pointed out that I could get an ih diesel but those are not overly common here and the ones I have seen are in tractors much nicer than my h so I would just end up with a different tractor that way. Oh well I have a year to think on it too much else to fix right now.


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 6:13am
Dan, thanks for the lead on the adapter plates. I'll havta' e-mail these guys and see if they offer anything.

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:05am

Hey Steve,,,you be sure and let us others know what you find out bout what adapters they offer,,,,I STILL would love to put a D17 in a D series,,,and ole Corbin would just love you to dea,,er,,,he'd like you forever,,,!!!


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:37am
Joe you should call as well you know what they say about supply and demand.   Two calls will get twice the intrest one will.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:40am
Oh the other thing I liked about the deutz motors is that I am pretty sure all the 912 serries have the same bellhousing setup so one plate design would give a large range of hp options. Someday I will have one of them in something here just not anytime soon.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:57am

You're right ,,,Dan,,I'm gonna call em too,,!!!
Hey Corbin,,,Ya listenin,,,?? get your phone busy,,,!!!


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:03am
Joe you could just go buy a nice milling machine and go into business.   I know you got that lathe going there a milling machine would look nice in the shop beside it....


Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 6:51am
Actually if somebody's done the chevy conversion to a D14, I'd like to talk to em. 
I got a buddy with a machine shop, or I can call on an adapter....


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 8:35am

Well,,I've sent leamans two (2) emails and STILL no response,,,so,,they not interested either,,,,,,
Hey Corbin,,,Go back and re-read the first sentence of my first post,,,,,, and,,,,,well,,,ahem,,,,er,,,,,,,,


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 8:46am
https://www.dieselconversion.com" rel="nofollow - https://www.dieselconversion.com
Joe I stumbled across the sight above the other day it is all about putting a diesel into a gas pickup but maybe they would be interested in other conversions. I keep thinking about my farmall h if some of the things I have going right now work out that might be on the winter project list. Not sure but there is an onan air cooled 4 cylinder diesel which is 140 ci. I think it would be a good match for my h and I might be able to pick one up cheaper then k can fix my h motor. Of course the conversion kit will still cost but the diesel will burn 1 gallon an hour where the gas farmall h motor will burn 2.5 gallons an hour so that will pay back over time. Plus I love air cooled diesel motors remove the coolant that freezes and remove the electrical system that gives you trouble those motors are a good example of the kiss approach if you ask me.


Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 8:54am
yeah I was hopin that I wouldn't have to tear my hair out engineering this thing. I think I'll just find another D engine and be done with it. What's really sad is that someone had rebuilt this one and done such a poor job that it probably didn't run much as it still has paint pen marker on the front of the crankshaft showing the rod and main undersizes.  The main caps were shimmed with what looks like beer can. Of course you don't shim a D14 engine according to what I've read.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 9:00am
A donner motor from another tractor is your best bet if you want to use it much. Keep in mind that if you swap the motor you need to put in a motor with the same or close rpm rating. Most of those v8 swaps either go to fast to run or the motor spins so slow it doesn't build much power and has trouble with too little coolant flow. I have heard a few time people say that you can't take one of the v 8 motor swaps out in a field and run it all day more of a looks cool fun project.   I am sure you spend tons of money swapping a different motor in to something.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2016 at 2:36pm
Here is one for sale in Ontario:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/hamilton/350ci-allis-charmers/1169440962?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true" rel="nofollow - http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/hamilton/350ci-allis-charmers/1169440962?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 9:08am
Joe,
Didn't git' anywhere's wit' dem' either....

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 9:17am
There are a lot of OTR truck engines that are designed to run down in the 1500 RPM range. Fitting it might be another issue. They are not exactly small blocks.

Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

A donner motor from another tractor is your best bet if you want to use it much. Keep in mind that if you swap the motor you need to put in a motor with the same or close rpm rating. Most of those v8 swaps either go to fast to run or the motor spins so slow it doesn't build much power and has trouble with too little coolant flow. I have heard a few time people say that you can't take one of the v 8 motor swaps out in a field and run it all day more of a looks cool fun project.   I am sure you spend tons of money swapping a different motor in to something.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 9:45am

First of all,,,I ain't wantin to start a ruckuss, here but I must be missin something,,,,,
To use one of the most popular clichés of our times,,,"What difference does it make",?,,,whether an engine's power curve is at 1200-1500 RPM or at 3500-4500 RPM,,,?? I was always more interested in the highest HP and Torque available at 8500-9000 RPM in a racing engine, so I never paid much attention to what those numbers were at,,say,,3000-4500. But I'm bettin a healthy SBC of about 350 CI would far surpass an AC 149 in both HP and torque at those respective RPM ranges,,,,so, back to mrs clin,,er,,,"what difference does it make" ?
Like several people here ask,,, including myself,,when they have a tractor with a bad engine and they got a good SBC sittin in that old trk or car behind the barn,,,then "WHY Not " give it a shot?   
I am very surprised an enterprising young man has not undertaken something like this and start makin and sellin the adapters for this very same project cause all SBC's from the 265 to the 400 have the same bolt pattern at the bellhousing,,,so the possibilities are endless and MONEY is KING in my book,,,,, same for using the D17 4 banger in the D series tractors, which I feel is a match made for tractor pullin,,,or hookin a 8 Btm behind it,,,,,
This is a VERY interesting subject as it started only 18 days ago,,,and already got 1165 "looks",,, lots of people wantin to know more,,,???


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 9:52am
Joe the water pump on a small block chevy won't wont have enough coolant flow if you run them down 500 rpm to 1600 rpm. Then the motor overheats.   If you run them fast enough to get good coolant flow the pto speed and ground speed are way off. Good way to have equipment break is running a 540 pto at 1000 been there seen that with a tractor that would let you change the pto speed without changing the shaft. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Atleast I have been told the water pump on a small block won't make enough flow at low speeds.


Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Joe the water pump on a small block chevy won't wont have enough coolant flow if you run them down 500 rpm to 1600 rpm. Then the motor overheats.   If you run them fast enough to get good coolant flow the pto speed and ground speed are way off. Good way to have equipment break is running a 540 pto at 1000 been there seen that with a tractor that would let you change the pto speed without changing the shaft. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Atleast I have been told the water pump on a small block won't make enough flow at low speeds.


You could always get an electric water circulator that goes in the radiator hose to increase the flow.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 11:10am
It's not so much the flow of the waterpump (most will flow more than you think) but the heat transfer ability of the complete cooling system.  Back in the early 70s we needed a bigger farm tractor and put a 383 into a M Farmall and pulled a 4X16 semi plow all day long. With the governor it ran at about 2200. We used a 5 blade fan from a F5 Ford that was a straight drive to get the fan placed correctly in the radiator shroud. Most V8 engines have a viscous drive or a flex fan, which will move enough air at idle with no load to keep them cool. Hiway vehicles depend on road speed to get the needed airflow for cooling.   As mentioned above; the bolt in swap would be any of the small size AC engines. 116- 160 CID any thing from a W_ tractor or D17 might could work, but would give you fits to make it all fit. One note on the BE/CE engines, although the physical size and mounts are workable, there would be no place to install the power steering pump as the 138/149/160 engines have.  Fire up your torch and welder and have at it. Take pictures!

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 12:10pm
Joe... the difference is that the tractor is going twice as fast in each gear when the engine is turning 3300 RPM instead of 1650 RPM. It also makes a difference when your 540 RPM PTO is now turning at 1080 RPM. For show, it doesn't matter. If you're going to do field work things get a little more complicated.

Of course you could gear the engine output down by 2:1, but that gets very complicated.



Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2016 at 3:06pm

Just remember that for every 10% increase in torque, the life of transmission gears and bearings are cut in half.  Fun to play with the added power, but be careful not to work too much with it.  Wink


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Mark

B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel,
GTH-L Simplicity

Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by 427435 427435 wrote:


Just remember that for every 10% increase in torque, the life of transmission gears and bearings are cut in half.  Fun to play with the added power, but be careful not to work too much with it.  Wink

 When adding power the wise way to go is increased engine speed.  When M&W had the repower kit for the 5010 & 5020 tractors using the 3208 Cat engines they when up to 2800 RPM so the a lower gear could be used to get the same field speed. A shaft of the same size can transmit more power at a faster speed. This is why the 1000 RPM PTO was developed. The old 540 PTO had about reached the limit of the material at about 75 HP.  The same will apply to gears and bearings. Slower speed and high toque will ruin things in a hurry. Also with added power don't add weight for traction, that will also cause big problems. When we had the V8 in the M we always had a dual wheel on the left side instead of adding a lot of weight. After finding a better bearing for the pilot bearing in the Farmall transmission we didn't have any more problems. That is the weak point in all of the Farmall 5 speeds. 


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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 12:27pm
Joe, yer' right! Not only is the bellhousing splay on a sbc & bbc the same through all the years, its also the same on the 153 cube inline 4 banger, the 194-250 inline 6 holer, as well as the 292 cube inline! There would be a lot of applications if someone made and offered one of those puppies. Tracy Martin where are ya? Tracy's a machinest! Here ya go Tracy. I'll bet you can sell a heck of a lot more adapter plates than Model G handles! LOL!! Oh almost forgot! The 4.3L V6 to like I have in my Vicky.
Steve@B&B

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 3:05pm

Yeah,,Steve,,,thas what I've always liked bout them Chevys,,is the vast availability of just bout any engine they made would interchange. And it ain't always the guys that got lots of money lookin at engine swaps,,,it is just as many if not more,,,some Farmer that's got a broke down tractor and is lookin at that trk that has a bad transmission,,but a great 350 engine,,,,!!!
And,,,how bout a D17 4 banger into a D14,,,??? Lots of possibilities if you look around. I'd be real surprised if several pullers haven't done this number many,, many times already,,,,,
How bout it Tracy,,,,???


Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by 427435 427435 wrote:


Just remember that for every 10% increase in torque, the life of transmission gears and bearings are cut in half.  Fun to play with the added power, but be careful not to work too much with it.  Wink

 When adding power the wise way to go is increased engine speed.  When M&W had the repower kit for the 5010 & 5020 tractors using the 3208 Cat engines they when up to 2800 RPM so the a lower gear could be used to get the same field speed. A shaft of the same size can transmit more power at a faster speed. This is why the 1000 RPM PTO was developed. The old 540 PTO had about reached the limit of the material at about 75 HP.  The same will apply to gears and bearings. Slower speed and high toque will ruin things in a hurry. Also with added power don't add weight for traction, that will also cause big problems. When we had the V8 in the M we always had a dual wheel on the left side instead of adding a lot of weight. After finding a better bearing for the pilot bearing in the Farmall transmission we didn't have any more problems. That is the weak point in all of the Farmall 5 speeds. 


The problem with going to a lower gear with a higher engine rpm is that the lower gear ratio has a small pinion driving a larger gear.  That small pinion could be a problem.  First gear in a tractor may not be designed to handle full stock hp as the limiting factor would normally be traction.


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Mark

B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel,
GTH-L Simplicity

Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 5:31pm
Mark you make it sound like they designed the tractor for a certain size motor......


Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 9:24pm
Joe, a smaller pulley would do it, maybe? You could sure speed it up that way. You prolly already know how to figure pulley speeds. Over 50 yrs. ago an old guy put a 430 Linc. in a F-12 Farmall. He made folks set up and take notice for a while.


Posted By: 180Puller
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2016 at 9:42pm

Giddyup 409...


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2016 at 4:22am

OK,,,180Puller,,,I LOVE IT,,,!!! Jeeeze,,lok at the size of them rear tires,,!! But,,,,but,,,you gotta give and let us guys that are salivatin to know how you shoehorned thet 348,,,,,er,,,,409,,,into that tractor,, Just love them valve covers for sure,,,,
Did you do the project yourself? Where did you get the adapter,,?? I'm not positive,, but I bet ole Steve with the Vickey knows if the bell housing bolt pattern is same as a SBC,,,I helped a friend on a 425 HP 409 goin into a 55 Chevy and it was a Muncie 4 speed, but didn't pay 'tention to bell housing,,but it bein a CHEVY,,I almost bet it is same as a SBC,,!! !
gosh,,I got a train car load of questions and I'm getting more excited'er by the minute,,,,and DON'T be like ole Shameless,,,and give us MORE PICS,,!!!


Posted By: 180Puller
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2016 at 9:34am
That picture was taken at Iola,KS in 1971? and its the only picture I have..It was a 5000 lb Mod puller built by the late Henry Moody from Kincaid,Kansas..It was a WC powered by a 409 Chevy....It went thru rear ends quite often...Those are 24.5x32 tires....Henry built a new tractor and sold the WC to Claude Barnes at Raymore,MO....I don't know what happened to it..


Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2016 at 11:24am
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Mark you make it sound like they designed the tractor for a certain size motor......


Pretty much.  Wink


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Mark

B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel,
GTH-L Simplicity

Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not.


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2016 at 6:23pm
well if someone has one, or akes one that fits...make a pattern for us others! me thinks that the one that's on mine should fit most of the small GM V-8's. maybe if/when I gits to this tractor, i'm sure i'll hafta pull the engine for overhaul if it needs it, then maybe I can make a wooden pattern? 


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2016 at 7:35pm
Just make sure Joe doesn't try to test fit that wooden pattern at full working torque I would hate to see such a hard to come by pattern broken....


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 1:17am
like Leon...lots of years ago I was at a tractor pull at Arlington,Ne. lots of different modified tractors there that night, all fancied up....then in came an older dude about 70+ years old ona old rusty Farmall with a big Caddy engine on it....I ean there wasn't a spec of paint anywhere on that thing! welded up well pipes for the headers! everyone laughing at him and his tractor....until....he outpulled every single one of them! no one was laughing after that! he was on that circuit for any years with that same tractor, I did overhear a couple of pullers saying to their crew to load their tractors back up if that guy showed up at the pulls! i'm sure he's gone now, but have often wondered what ever became of that tractor!


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 5:29am
My farmall h is like that with rust. It looks like they never painted it in the first place. That is a great story I can just see it happening.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 8:14am

You know,,Shameless,,,I really been thinkin on your Chevy Allis,,,,as I completely missed the boat on you maybe be having just exactly what LOTZ of us Boys been a'wantin to look into,,,,!!! Gosh,,it been right under our noses and I for one have just went all the way 'round it,,,,,but,,,BUT,,,NO MORE,,!!!!
I want to reiterate,,,,( I like thet word),,, we need to strike a deal and soon,,,, cause I can hep you make some money,,,'course you might have to help a little,,you know like handin me tools so's I don't have to crawl out from under it too many times,,,and I kinda enjoy some iced Peach tea every now and then,,,,,,
You outa go ahead of me comin up and spray the whole tractor W/ some Home Defense,,,Ya know to get all them Nebraska spiders and such to start leaving their 20+ years homes in thar,,,,,so's we can work peaceably,,,,
Just so I can get my ducks ina row,,,,,you said it has two (2) transmissions,,,,? did they install a Chevy transmission,,,AND the allis transmission or ,,,,???? Are Ya getting excited bout all thet money,,,????


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 8:34am
Joe I am just guessing but from some of the other builds I have seen of farmall pulling tractors I bet it had a chevy transmission that I'd adapted to mate with the allis transmission. I have seen that done on a farmall h they had a 350 hooked up to one of those old 3 speed I think power glides and then to the regular h. I asked the guy about it after the tractor pulls and he said it was just easier and the automatic really came in handy during the pulls.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 8:36am
If you removed the torque tube in an allis d serries and built it that way you probably wouldn't change the lenght much but you would loose the shuttle clutch or power direct and the pto.


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 10:44am
I got a 140HP Mercruiser Chevy 4 banger sitting under the bench just a waitin' ta' go into my flat tank WC after I retire. Lookin' forward to doin' that project once I get all the others outta' way...

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: 45 turboa-
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 2:27pm
In a couple of years when I retire i'm going to put a 433I in a WD45 and it will still be a workable tractor if the boss lets me you all know how that goes.  I don't believe in putting in V8s in tractors unless just for show.

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turbocharged


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 10:23pm
they are both AC trannys, each has their own gear shifter


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2016 at 3:11am

"" they are both AC trannys, each has their own gear shifter ""

Gosh Dang,,,but I wish with ALL our "wantins" for to see this tractor,,,,that "somebody" that maybe lives close by,,,maybe like,,,,across the river,,,would sneak,,er mosey over there and snap some pics of this engineerin marvel,,,,you know showin the pertinent details,,,you know like close ups and all,,,and then post em for all the world to see and drool,,,,,,,,,,,,
   I HAVE IT,,,!!!,,,and it's been right under our noses all this time,,,,ole Les lives right close don't he,,,??? NOW,,,if'n we can just talk ole Shameless into inviting him over for coffee and Aronias,,,,we might get to second base on this mtstery,,,,????


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2016 at 3:39am
maybe....when I gits around to it, i'll puts that power steering on it, since no one wants it here!  


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2016 at 6:26am
Steve....
Lookin' forward to doin' that project once I get all the others outta' way...

hahaha, lol, hehehe,


good one...
 I did 27 friggin 'projects' on Saturday, NOT on MY list, it'd be nice to FINISH just ONE of MINE this summer...well OK maybe this year ???

Jay



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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2016 at 6:31am
I have a good 8.2 Detroit hooked to an Allison automatic guess I could extend the frame
on a WD45 and hook it right up?



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