Hurry,Frist built 190 E-bay.CHEAP!
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Topic: Hurry,Frist built 190 E-bay.CHEAP!
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Subject: Hurry,Frist built 190 E-bay.CHEAP!
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 7:11am
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Here u go just what the 190 collector has been waiting for. !!! Item number 111989400668 E-bay ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
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Posted By: LB0442
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 9:26am
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That would be cool to have one of the first. They don't come up very often. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Allis-Chalmers-190-SN-1001-First-one-ever-built-/111989400668?hash=item1a1316a45c:g:Y~wAAOSwQNRXLTrx" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Allis-Chalmers-190-SN-1001-First-one-ever-built-/111989400668?hash=item1a1316a45c:g:Y~wAAOSwQNRXLTrx
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Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 9:39am
| First question,no picture of the actual serial number? And if my memory is correct I though a couple years ago a 190 sold at auction that was number 1, it had a narrow front. Sold maybe around Ohio? I remember it being discussed on here. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 10:25am
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Might be like the G with the serial number that is lower than what production stared at, but has the production type frame instead of the one of the many pre-production types.
------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 10:31am
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for something of that status & price, you'd think he would've got a good pic of the S/N |
Posted By: Kurt WI
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 10:41am
Yeah no kidding!! ------------- WD D17D 170 190xt 190xtIII 200 7020 |
Gatz in NE wrote:Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 12:24pm
Mecum auctions sold the first 180 not too long ago. I too would like to see a picture of both the engine and tractor serial numbers. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 12:36pm
| has a hole in the block, it runs but smokes! ya-think? |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 12:44pm
Hey sun shine .READ ALL OF IT ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 2:36pm
| Super deal 2 for one money |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 3:49pm
| Im thinking 1500 for the pair, wtf, are people thinkin |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 5:09pm
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yeesh... for 20,000 Canucks I'd expect it to run and NOT be a 'fixer upper'! I don't care that there's a 'parts tractor' cause once you rob it, then #1001 is NOT original...just another 190. I didn't see a seat on it either though it has been a loooooooong day . Have a look at the B I posted a link to...7000 Canucks and it's on CAR tires/rims !!! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 9:19pm
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I asked him and he posted the serial number pictures ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 9:45pm
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I have seen the tractor. It is rough but it is # 1. Jimmy stopped by my place several years ago when he bought it and I checked it out. ------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 07 May 2016 at 11:17pm
| So what's it realy worth |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:32am
That sounds about right.  |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:34am
| my glasses is dirty! |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:37am
| me thunks Fred needs that/them tractor(s)! |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:40am
| holy chit....I just tooks an alcohol wipe to my glasses...whew...i'm see'in things I ain't seen before now! |
Posted By: Scooterboy
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:05am
| Just don't suck on it when you're done. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:17am
| even if I dip it in orange juice? |
Posted By: Scooterboy
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:34am
| Well that's a horse of a different color. |
Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:21am
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It's #1! I emailed him and asked for pictures and some more info on it. Would love to own it but his starting price is high. I stumble across the tractor 10 years ago in Wisconsin. I was buying a 190 High Crop and the guy had this one also. The guy I bought it from had bought it the week before from an old man up there. Not sure how long the older gentleman had it. ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:29am
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I offered him more then the starting bid,and he said he couldn't take it off of eBay. So we will see how high it goes. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:07am
| Well so far I would say you can just wait and offer less. There can't be alot of people out there with the cash to be willing to pay big bucks for it needing a full restoration. Maybe it is just me but being the fist one wouldn't make it worth that much to me. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:02pm
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Get you own number stamps and do like some others, have whatever serial number you'd like.
------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:17pm
| Exactly,, you can take that PD out and put it in anything 190, and wow I have the first 190,, |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 12:48pm
I'd agree with the S/N 1 not adding much, maybe some and maybe if it was in top notch condition. My Dad had a old Deere manure spreader, S/N 1. It was rough but restorable. When Dad died Mom literally had to give it away to get rid of it. |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:36pm
He could if he wanted to, there are no bids on it yet ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 6:31pm
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I am curious what some of you on here really think the tractor is worth? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:00pm
| #'s not upside down, is it? |
Posted By: Beirnesy
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:24pm
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Upon viewing a rear view picture of the tractor......there is of course the ALLIS CHALMERS decal on the fuel tank, but does the decal below it say BEACHMASTER ??????
The rear most tractor in the picture with rice tires, but I do not believe to be included in this auction looks to be a 190 propane, as the fuel tank looks to be a propane cylinder !!
------------- 1969 220,1967 190DXT,1968 190DXT, LGT's 710,,716 |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:39pm
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Sure does say BeachMaster. I googled it and it is the same decal.Also you can read under the beachmaster it says "industrial tractor".You would think if someone replaced the tank there would be a little trace of industial yellow still. OK, so now it is the very first "beachmaster" made and worth atleast 10grand more???HAHA |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:43pm
| There is yellow above the PTO and on the chin weight and grill where the paints peeling. |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:43pm
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http://m.ebay.com/itm/111989408489" rel="nofollow - Here's the propane tractor ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:53pm
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Those are the weights that came on a Beachmaster,but the original Beachmaster tires were 23.1 X 26 |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:58pm
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Ask Darryl if his serial number 1001 D21 is worth more than any other D21. I would say a lot more. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:45pm
| Hey this looks like it was a beachmaster and I got the correct 26" wheels off the 190.. Could be a test 190 beachmaster or something that would explain the serieal number and yellow paint.. Shouldn't the serial number say 190D 1001 not 190 1001? |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:58pm
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The yellow is the primer, just like every other 190 l would guess ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:01pm
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I thought it should say 190 1001 D ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:10pm
| Yes I think it should say 190 1001d too so what up with this serial number.. Could just be the tube where the serial number is on could have been replaced? |
Posted By: AllisChalmers8070
Date Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:37pm
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It would be cool to own but we already have a 1964 4020, to me they are about the same tractor but that's just me. We already have a 1969 190xt and I like it a lot better than the early ones so... For that money I could buy a 220 which I think would be a lot better to own than the first 190. I hope someone will buy them and fix both of them. ------------- 180 190XT 7045 7060 S88 |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 9:00am
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There is an original Beachmaster sitting in my shop (not mine) serial 190 5098 D. There is no Beachmaster decal on the fuel tank. It is snap coupler. Beachmasters have the zipper or convertable front casting so there is no power steering cylinder on the wide front axle wish bone. 1001 does not have the low spindle front axle. If the weights are for a Beechmaster, they are mounted inside out. Beechmaster weights are AM 5472. I'd be very surprised if 1001 was ever a Beachmaster ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 9:18am
Being the first one, maybe they never thought of ID ing them with a D at the end till the gasser was built?  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:31am
| 210 and 220 both have a D at the end and there never was a gas model. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 11:28am
Just thinking out loud...210/220 were built much later than the 190 that came in 1964? So maybe a SN stamping policy hadn't been set in place in 1964? Also, given the number spacing in the SN pics...is it possible the D is spaced out on the end and not in pic (yeah probably not llikely). Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 3:24pm
The tractor in question is a 190. Nothing to do with a 210 or 220. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: WestAllisWD45
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 3:57pm
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Just asking, but didn't D19's have a "D" ? (Ours was gas so I have no idea) If so, the D in serial numbers would have been thought of before 190's arrived. I am having a hard time figuring out which is #1001 and which is donor ! Looks like he has a third in background, he should sweeten the pot and sell all 3 as a pile. Got room in the shed, the 15 G's, not so much ! |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 4:35pm
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There are 128 D-19's in the Owner Registry. Lowest serial is D-19 1009 The Diesels have a 'D' at the end of the Serial No. For reference Gary
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Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 4:40pm
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westallis, the doner has the suitcase weights and the exhaust thru hood. 1001 has no pipe thru hood ,first 4 pics is 1001. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 5:22pm
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WD45' diesels had a D in the tractor number but, the diesel was built after gas tractors. Same with the D15, D17 and D19. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:34pm
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worth ?? to me 10% over scrap price. reasoning 1) it don't run ! hole in block so things cannot be checked like rad,engine,clutch,tranny,rear end, hydralics,cylinders,alternator, electrics,etc. and that 's just a start. 2) since the block is busted it ain't going to be 'all original' when you swap out the block, even IF you keep all the innards and accessories. Yeah I'm nit picking but....after the 'block-ect-omy it's just another tractor...ho hum..... 3) cost to transport. that HAS to be factored in 'somehow' but gee hauling several tons of scrap iron ain't cheap and how'd you feel after paying hundreds to have it shipped, replace block and oopsy...trannys no good..... 4) it could be a huge money pit. everyone here knows you can't make a living properly restoring old iron.... I could go on and on..... but... then again 'beauty lies in the eye of the beholder'..... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:55pm
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Jay I am with you. The only way it has any extra value is if it is matching first tractor numbers having the first of any torque tube with a replacement motor is just a running tractor Maybe the block can be patched and fixed. And if the right guy does it maybe it is a good as new but it is a repaired block and to me a repaired block is worth less always second guess if the repair will hold. If your goal it to put it in a collection well that all depends on your perspective you might love the extra story of how you saved the first ever from scrap... but it is a money pit just fixing that motor is a ton of money expecially if you are not the expert who can patch a block with a hole. So to me the first question is how much is the replacement motor and can I even find one to bolt up to it around here that is good. Sadly ac tractors are not as common in these parts as some other places if I want anything newer then a wd it is slim picking here. Not true other places for sure. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 7:35pm
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All 190s have a D, XT, G after the serial number. If the tongue tube was replaced thru parts. The new tube would not have a serial number, just a blank spot. I have seen them on tractors. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 7:51pm
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The block could be fixed by Nevada Cylinder head at Nevada, IA. They preheat cast iron blocks and heads in an oven before welding and so have reliable welds. They can also do line boring when the block warps from the heating, welding, and controlled cooling. They might have to take off the aluminum engine tag to have it survive the heat. Gerald J. |
Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 8:21pm
| We have a d12 series 3 with the tube replaced and it has serial # says d12-1000 and I know that is not correct for the tractor?? So I think some replacement parts had serial numbers on them just my thought.. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 8:24pm
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I guess as far a value is concerned we'll find out since its on ebay and people that want it will set the value with their bids.Cash on the barrel head always speaks the loudest.Things like it being one of a kind the values usually continue to increase over time. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:28pm
| Who has the last one built so then you could have first and last like the D-21s in old allis |
Posted By: AllisChalmers8070
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:29pm
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I was wondering that myself Mike. ------------- 180 190XT 7045 7060 S88 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:38pm
| I mean its def worth more then scrap. For me I couldn't restore it the way it needs but some collectors on here that would do a nice restoration. To those guys it's worth buying. I kinda think all first an last tractors are unique in its own way. I even see tractors that are close to last and think to myself that tractor was on the assembly line the last day of production lol |
Posted By: AllisChalmers8070
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 11:53pm
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I know what you mean Mike. I thought that about our 8070 I know it wasn't the last one built but 100 or so away from the last AC ever made. ------------- 180 190XT 7045 7060 S88 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 11:57pm
| Last 100 so what's that the last week. Cool |
Posted By: AllisChalmers8070
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 12:00am
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I don't know for sure but it would be cool to find out the date it was built. ------------- 180 190XT 7045 7060 S88 |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:07am
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Somebody thinks it's worth $15k,it has the opening bid ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Posted By: JCFarms
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:15am
| If I had other #1's like Mr. Krause, I'd pay them for it. Kinda like paying more for a piece of land that's right next to you. |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:20am
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You gotta start somewhere ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 8:00pm
| well, who is headed to Skiatook,OK????????? |
Posted By: Morgan in AR
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2016 at 11:35am
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Did anyone here buy the 190 LP? It used to be mine. ------------- If we loose freedom here there is no place left to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. -Ronald Reagan |