Single Digit Midget B at upcoming auction?
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Topic: Single Digit Midget B at upcoming auction?
Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Subject: Single Digit Midget B at upcoming auction?
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:18pm
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I was looking thru the local auction house upcoming auctions and one of them has a 1937 B with serial #4. Looks to be in fair shape. Don't know that much about the Bs other than I kinda would like one. Engine does look different though - the early ones were Waukesha's weren't they?
http://www.reinhardtauctions.com/kirchhoff%205-17.html - http://www.reinhardtauctions.com/kirchhoff%205-17.html
cheers,
Creek
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:28pm
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Yes they were... Steve@B&B |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:31pm
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I looked at the pictures of the Waukesha B that Dale Haymaker has on his Paris museum website, and I'm going to say that that's not a 1937 B at that auction. At the very least the engine looks like the standard BE engine, maybe CE. They're probably just misreading the serial number. But I could be wrong. The manifold should be visible on that side of the tractor if it were a Waukesha flat head. http://allischalmersmuseum.com/component/option,com_easygallery/act,categories/cid,30/Itemid,29/ - http://allischalmersmuseum.com/component/option,com_easygallery/act,categories/cid,30/Itemid,29/ http://allischalmersmuseum.com/component/option,com_easygallery/act,categories/cid,30/Itemid,29/ - I guess it's possible that the engine was replaced? I know some things weren't interchangeable with the 1937 B's and the later ones... not sure about the engine. Can't say I've ever had much personal experience with one of them!
------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:38pm
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wjohn, I agree with you. That is not, repeat, not, a Waukesha B.
With the mag on the shown side that is a standard B or later B engine. You can see by the plugs and the plug openings.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:39pm
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Definitely not a 37 B Waukesha engine. I wish they had a better picture but the engine is a BE or CE.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:41pm
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That is a Waukesha B, all except the engine and the hood, & perhaps the radiator cowl.
The engine has obviously been replaced.
It would still be a neat tractor to own.
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Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:42pm
| Take a look at the fenders. I believe that this may be a hybrid of early B and later B parts... |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:43pm
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:45pm
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Sorry, I am still in the infancy stage posting pictures. This is me at "Coming Home" with Nan Jone's Waukesha B. Not the greatest picture but note the manifold and air cleaner hose on the engine side.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:46pm
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Now I'm really curious - might have to slip over and have a look at it if I can get off work early. Just to see what it goes for.
cheers,
Creek
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:49pm
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The rear fenders, the front wheels and axles and the serial number sure do point out that it started out in 1937.
Life was harder after that.
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Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:51pm
 Here's the pic. Definitely not a Waukesha. If the s/n is korrect, then it was repowered and a diff hood put on. Or did they just not scrape away enuf paint to see all the s/n?
Curious!
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:53pm
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Ah, those front wheels and fenders definitely are different... well I'm learning plenty about 1937 B's today! It sure would be neat to see it at Paris in July if someone on here gets it, even with the replacement engine. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:57pm
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It kinda looks like the tool box is bent to fit the torque tube. That would be from the 37 too.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 7:59pm
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See how the hood does not line up with the fuel tank? That, and the fact that the holes are in all the wrong spots make it obvious that the hood was replaced, probably when it was repowered by that newer engine. Something probably broke or wore out on the Waukesha and the owner took the opportunity to "upgrade".
The rear fenders are flat, which is the way the first 96 were made, as they fabbed the fenders by hand, supposedly. If it has the brass plate with serial number 4 on it, then it is definately a 1937 from the torque tube back.
If someone wants to buy it, I would trade a couple of my NOS IB pintle hitches for it, as I believe there are fewer pintle hitches left than Waukesha B's. Let me know.
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 8:10pm
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GlenninPA wrote:Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 8:15pm
| I have to agree. Same front wheels as Waukesha B (if I remember correctly) and fenders as well. Throttle control is mounted in the proper place for it as well. It's quite a bummer it doesn't have the original engine. The torque tube looks shorter as well. It's surely an early B if it has the brass tag. |
Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:29pm
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I agree with Lou. I'll never be able to keep track of all the different quirks. Have enough trouble with keeping D17s straight.
If I can get over to the auction, I'll try to get pics of it. We are supposed to go fishing that day with some friends, but odds are 50/50 the wind will keep us off Red so I might make it. Maybe Bruce will be there and he can tell us about it.
cheers
Creek
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:48pm
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I think Glenn is right.. it was a 37, but the motor is a BE.. other parts sure look llike original 37. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:52pm
closeup of tool box, and steering column, (no light switch box)...
 ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 9:55pm
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the original 37 should have a real long wheel hub that sticks out further than later models... and a 6 bolt pattern. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 10:01pm
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Since it has had the engine changed to latter B engine the radiator would have to be changed, also it should have split rims on the rear, can not tell with all the chains on it. Correct fenders, throttle and front wheels at least. The brass tag would be worth as much as the rest of the tractor, I think the lowest 1937 B recorded so far is #16, mine is #18. ------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 6:32am
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Dale,
On the owners registry, (if you get past the spam), number 1 is listed. I arranged most of them into the correct year sequence based on the serial numbers.
Glenn
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Posted By: Dale H. ECIL
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 6:45am
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Glenn, The last time I checked with Larry Mathew, he is making a registry of the 1937 B's, he said #16 was the oldest one he had on his list. I did not check the registry on here. He said most of the ones on the list DID NOT have a brass tag on them. ------------- Allis Chalmers Museum, Paris, Il.http:// www.allischalmersmuseum.com 217-275-3428 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 10:05am
Probably Larry should email him...
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 3:16pm
| I know a big time AC collector who is going to the sale with a thick check book!!! |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 7:11pm
| Is that a threat? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 7:40pm
| It sure looks like a nice hike up into North Minnesota.... |
Posted By: ASEguy
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 7:07am
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Bill, Your tractor is beautiful. Excellent paint. It looks museum quality. I have a 48 C with a long restoration road ahead. Would love to see more pics if you have the time to post them.
Gerard
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Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 4:46pm
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ASEguy, If you are refering to the picture Bill Long posted: The tractor is not Bills. Bill lives in Maryland and sadly no longer has a place for a tractor where he lives now. BUT he does hold a special place in his heart for anything and everything AC. Bill was the son of a small AC dealer that sold many, many B tractors in their area. It is his favorite tractor. Bill is a great reference here and we all appreciate him VERY much and always love hearing what he has to say! He is a great man! The tractor is, or was, owned my Nan Jones, the previous publisher of the OAN. It was one of the first 96 B's ever produced that used the Waukesha engine.
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Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 6:49pm
| B26240 Are you refering to Fred?? LOL!! |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 7:38pm
| I did not think Fred likes "little" tractors.... |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 7:59pm
| I know someone else who does though... |
Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 9:41pm
| Little tractors rock!! More bounce to the ounce, but the big ones have their places too. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 6:23am
| There is on just over river about 65 miles from me. I will not be buying that one when that sale comes up. Neat little tractor ,but i do not need one. LOL |
Posted By: ASEguy
Date Posted: 03 May 2010 at 11:29am
| Morton, Yes I was referring to the picture of that tractor. Sorry to hear about Bill not living where he can just walk out to a tractor. I recently began to pursue my long love of old tractors and purchased my Allis C. A lot of the younger people I meet ask my why I would want an old tractor. They just don't understand. People with Bill's knowledge like my father in law who farmed without tractors years ago have so much knowledge to share. I used to sit under a tree with him and a glass of tea in the summer fascinated for hours on end about times when he was a kid and the things he had done. We have it so easy now. Gerard |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 17 May 2010 at 9:48am
| Well, tonight's the night. Let us know who get's it, and what it sells for. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 17 May 2010 at 7:01pm
| Who got it and what did it bring? |
Posted By: Creek Jenkins
Date Posted: 17 May 2010 at 8:01pm
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We should be able to get the scoop from Lonnie - I couldn't make it to the sale today, had to spend time in a boat catching fish.........but I am really curious to hear about the sale.
Creek
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Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 17 May 2010 at 11:43pm
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$2900 and it went to Iowa. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |