Started one more WD45 diesel engine overhaul
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Topic: Started one more WD45 diesel engine overhaul
Posted By: Don(MO)
Subject: Started one more WD45 diesel engine overhaul
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 8:01am
Here's the starting of one more engine rebuild. It will be fun again. This job will be a lot more than just the engine refit, it's refitting most of the hole tractor, front to back top to bottom. Here's a shot or two of the start with more to come.   
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 8:06am
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Don, Nice clean block. What are the bolts and washers for? Will be following your work on this build. Looks like it was line bored? Happy Thanksgiving! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 8:28am
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Will you paint the block with primer inside and out? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 8:46am
| Bolts and washers are to keep sleeves from fallin out |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 11:47am
Don just be carefull of those front and rear main seals cuz they can be tricky if you don't do it right.  I can tell you all the wrong ways myself.  ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 12:07pm
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Those bolts and washers are also so he can accurately measure sleeve protrusion. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 2:56pm
Don that block looks pretty much trashed, I would be happy to pay the freight to take it off your hands???  I talented guy like you needs to start with something in much better shape!!!  ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 4:34pm
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Thanks for the function of the bolts, makes good sense. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 6:34pm
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Chris, the guys are right, I bolt the sleeves down tight so I can get a
true reading on sleeve protrusion. The block is primed and painted now.
Stan I'm working on a Diesel not the 201/226 gasers. lol Anthony, This block has been welded,line bored, decked and counter bores cut and some-more little goody's done to it, yes it might have been cheaper to replace it, so I'll bet the owner might not like me letting it go now. lol I set the crankshaft in today and installed the pistons to get a number to mill the pistons off so they will be back to spec again after all the mill work it's had done to it. I will post some more shots next time I get back in the shop. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 6:55pm
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(Sssshhhh... Don's cheating- He bought the factory and is making new blocks on the sly....) ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 10:32pm
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Hey Don, I see you have the oil fill tube out. What do you use to re set them? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 10:39pm
I use a exhaust pipe ex-pander and red lock-tight, let it set for two or three hours and it will not move. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 10:40pm
I wish I had a truck load of new blocks in the back room. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 1:44pm
I loaded some more shots of work as it's been done. If you look at the dial the piston is a little to high so I will cut the pistons down to the right height before installing the head. I check all six pistons and cut them to the same installed height.     ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 2:00pm
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Don, that is neat to see. I can't wait to see my D19D getting the top notch treatment! ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 2:27pm
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Don what causes the pistons to be too tall? Is it because the block has been resurfaced and is lower now? Love the pictures! ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 3:44pm
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Those pistons are short compared to what was in my D17D before I overhauled it. They were all about .060 proud. The used head gasket measured about .045... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 7:46am
It's a little hard to tell all that makes up the need to have the pistons come up above the block, the shortest way to say it is to get the compression up to the 15+ to 1 needed to fire the fuel off they needed pistons coming right up close to the head and with the fact this block design started life out as a gas engine to get the compression right and keep the stroke the same in the block pistons will be up and out of the blocks. If you look at a 230 head sometime you will see the big chamber in the head that will take away compression. Well that's clear as mud. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 7:47am
Brian call me sometime and we can go over what I'm doing. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 11:02am
Thanks Don for the lesson.  ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 6:39pm
This might shed some light on piston spec for WD45 Diesel. They are diff from the D17/D19 Diesels.  ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 6:41pm
I don't think I can be much of a teacher, but I hope it made some cents. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 1:18pm
It's even better now that I had the pump and injectors done. I didn't realize just how bad it had been getting. Idles smooth as glass now with less smoke too. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 1:24pm
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I wish I had the tooling to measure the deck height of that original block. My guess is it was surfaced multiple times. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 3:26pm
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Brian, I can't imagine you could even turn it over if it was hitting that bad. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 5:02pm
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The wrist pin bushings all had a groove worn on the side closest to the crank and the rod bearings were peeling on the upper halves. I don't know much of the history on this tractor, but it looked like a fresh overhaul that sat for a long time afterwards. The guy I got it from said he got it at a consignment sale. It was supposed to run, but sold as not running. Somebody was supposedly going to restore it but lost interest and they thought it had set in a barn 15 years without being run was what was said at the sale. I have the shifter assy off the trans right now and the trans gears on top have rust on them. Trying to decide if I should work a deal with Rick Corder for the trans he has... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 2:13pm
I had some time to work on this tractor so here's some new shots, inj pump is on and timed, pistons and crank are in, oil filter units are in and plumed, rear engine mounting plate is on. I started working the oil pan over so it's strait again, I changed to oil pump out will a good used from stock. The head will still need so more work before I install it, as the oil pan. "O" the fun if rebuilding a 230.lol    
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 9:14pm
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Don, that sure is looking mighty fine. I may just have to go back and look at Tom Foss' rebuild of his 45 Diesel. Make sure to take a ton of pics when you do the D19! ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2015 at 6:32pm
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Don, Looks fantastic! Someday I need to do a Allis engine. You sure do make it look easy! Thanks for posting the nice clear pictures of your work as you progress. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 12:38pm
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Looking good Don. Was someone using an electric lift pump on that engine? ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 6:42pm
Thanks Chris, You have some nice looking WD's in your barn. The owner is happy with how she is looking too. I was asked to take a lot of shots for the owner to have. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 6:44pm
Not that I know of, the engine came to me in boxes and no electric pump in the pile of parts. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: eighty nine
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 7:59pm
Did you ask this because of the oil pressure switch in the oil line ? Kinda got my attention also.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2015 at 8:12pm
OK, that switch was for a hour meter and after talking to the owner about it I have removed it. I was having trouble understanding the ? about the electric pump that Brain asked bout. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 3:42pm
Thought I'd up date work on the WD45 Diesel. I need to take some more shots just forget the camera to the shop. lol  
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 3:56pm
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Hour meter... That makes sense. Looking good Don. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2015 at 5:43pm
I installed the engine today so here's some more shots. The parts boxes are starting to empty out, but lots more work to go before she is a runner again.      ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2015 at 9:34pm
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Very impressive work!
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 10:25am
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As always Don, GREAT WORK!!! But I really think you can have her running by Noon tomorrow. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 11:43am
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Thanks for the kind words guys. I'm not seeing it run for sometime, I still need to rebuild the Diesel trans/rear end that came in the tractor and change it out with the gas trans/rear end that's in it now, clean and repair the fuel tank and a long list of little things before she fires up from it's long nap of 10+ years of retirement; And I have three WD/WD45, three D14's and a engine overhaul on a D19 Diesel tractor all needing some of my time too.lol So I work on one tractor tell I need parts and just on one of the tractors that's parts have came in. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 12:05pm
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Somebody had a WD45D rear end for sale in the classifieds... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:27pm
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Your work looks flawless. You have spoiled everyone in your area. When are you going to move up here. The summers here are not as hot. lol Tim ------------- 1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207 |
Posted By: 220allis
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 9:34am
| Don were looking for series 4 d17 diesel how much do you think I should budget for an an overhaul if my head and bookcase are good trying to find original paint and tire tractor but want it to start and run clean also would you be interested in doing the work |
Posted By: 220allis
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 9:36am
| Block not bookcase |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 12:16pm
I sent you a PM.  ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2018 at 8:47am
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This is a old post of mine with the pics working again. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: EsoxAllis
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 8:54am
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and have a 1956 WD45 Diesel which needs some work. She runs, but has lot's of leaks (hydraulic rams, under the clutch housing, etc.). Hand cluth does not work -- so I'm guessing I have lots to do with new seals, clutch plates, and the like. My question for you guys is advice about the engine. I'm quite certain diesel fuel is getting into the crankcase -- and have seen on this forum that that can come from a couple different issues (o-ring/seal) in the fuel pump. I may be able to tackle that. However, I'm wondering about a complete engine rebuild -- and am not sure I'd want to try that. Anyway, here's my questions:1) Can I (should I) leave the engine alone and just go after the the rest of the tractor? Or, would that be short-sighted/folly. As menetioned, it runs, but smokes a lot -- especially at first start-up. The smoke color is not black, but not white either -- I'd say ~ grey. The smoking comes down after the tractor warms up, but never really goes away -- and comes back again fairly heavy under load (road gear). To me, it does not seem to have a lot of power, but I've never actually pulled with it either. As well, I believe some of that crank oil w/ diesel (or diesel from soemwhere else) is getting into first clutch housing -- is that possble (main bearing issue)? I say this because last summer it started leaking (dripping) from the inspection port/thumb-screw under the clutch housing -- and I'm talking a couple gallons over a number of months now. This oils is very thin as smells like diesel to me. 2) If the engire needs to be rebuilt. Is there someone who still does this? And/or can all the needed parts still be found if I or a local mechanic were to give it try? Thanks for any advice/insights you can offer!
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Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 9:43am
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Welcome aboard Esox Allis! I can't answer your questions, but somebody will come along and give you some insights before too long if they're not out in the fields or shop by now. ------------- How blessed we are by HIS GRACE! |
Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 11:48am
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Fantastic Work! Love the pictures and all your Knowledge!!!!!!!! ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 6:35pm
Welcome aboard, you will find a lot of good people on here. This is a good post with your long list of ?'s it might be best for you to just send me a PM and I will send you my phone number.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 9:27pm
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Don are you starting yet another 45D? If anyone wants to hear a sweet sounding D19D give me a call, he did a beautiful job on mine! ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |