The next generation Gleaner
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Topic: The next generation Gleaner
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Subject: The next generation Gleaner
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 7:36pm
I received a email from our surviving friends at Gleaner about signing up to get news on 11-11-2015 about big news. Are they going to paint them red or what now? Anyway you can sign up at Thenextgenerationgleaner.com. Did anyone else hear of this? Ryan
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Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 9:53pm
No, I will check out what you posted. Got a new post from Gleaner and Bien 2 hours ago though.
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Posted By: Ron Eggen
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 10:17pm
We are going on a Tour of the Gleaner factory next Tuesday Nov 10. Maybe they will give us a sneak peak.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 10:52pm
There releasing a new 9 series From Gleaner in Nov. supposed to have a new cab, few improvements , and new numbers. But will look basically the same. That's what I was told. IG
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 10:54pm
Gleaners putting out a 9 and deere is putting out a 10? tell bein to gits with it!
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 11:24pm
The Gleaner 9 will probably out harvest the JD 10 anyway. The JD will be so heavy it will sink in wet fields.
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Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2015 at 11:43pm
The John Deere needs that extra number so there's maybe enough room to store the spare parts and tools for when it breaks down!
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 7:22am
I remember when gleaner had the only class 7 combine; 6 was as big as any competition had. Now with horse power and grain tank capacity being two criteria for classification, what does the horsepower and grain tank capacity have to be to have a combine classified as a class 10 machine? I don't remember what horsepower the N7 gleaner had, but I know the grain tank held 315 bushels. Now I can somewhat fathom getting the horsepower required to be a class 10, but with the grain tank size requirement, where in the heck do you put a tank big enough. Combines are already about as tall and wide as they can feasibly be. And who sets the criteria for the classification system? Have they already got criteria established for class 11, 12 13, and so on, or does the manufacturer make this up as they go? Wonder when the size race will stop? And speaking of size, supposedly case IH is working on a 1,000 horsepower quad track. What do you pull with that? And now with John Deere making a quad track tractor, and getting $1,000 per horsepower for it, they could quite likely have the first million dollar tractor, if they match case IH.Darrel
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 7:50am
270 hp for the N7 which doesn't meet today's class 6 combines. Todays class 7 is over 100 hp more than the class 7 N7.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 7:54am
hmm... they could quite likely have the first million dollar tractor
I' have to ask HOW friggin long would it take to pay THAT off ? How many acres of say soybeans or corn would you have to sow ??
curious Jay
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 8:27am
at todays prices on corn, if you sold 280,112 bu of corn, you could buy a $1 million dollar tractor. but that's not including any production costs! ($3.57)
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 8:30am
if you add production costs, take the bushel amount above and times it by about 3 times +/-.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 8:33am
I know some that will buy one, just to say they were the first in the area to own/buy one. and you'll see a few bought by some and then sold by the bank a little later on, kinda like what's happening now on ones that don't cost that much!
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 9:40am
They don't ever pay for themselves. It's all a money and tax game. I know one thing our roads are being destroyed by large farm equipment here. The shoulders get completely broke up in big chunks. So when you have to use the shoulder its like driving across a plowed field
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 11:49am
farm equipment can't drive on the shoulders here no more, after they put them divots on the side of each lane...now they hafta drive in the traffic lanes, and the road dept can't figger out why! DUH!
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 12:01pm
Years ago a farmer was sued for driving on the shoulder. The ruling was that he created a third lane and caused an accident. Since then, 1980 something I believe, Dad has always preached to use the full lane when roading the tractor or combine. That's what I do and I do not wave a car by me if the lane is clear in a no passing zone. Their on their own.
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 12:32pm
I never see anyone not driving the shoulder here, unless its just a tractor without duals. Combines, Sprayers, Grain Carts all get it broke up. A Farm road tax is inevitable in the future.
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 1:25pm
Im a gleaner guy through and through but when is enough, enough. Its seems like they are doing the same thing everyone else is doing, more power or more grain bin space. Im sorry but you can move but so much through the thing. Its hard to keep corn away from one as it is now. I love gleaners, best combines ever built in simplicity and design but guess they have to try and keep up with the competition.
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Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 1:30pm
Everyone here uses the shoulder, but our road has a really wide shoulder designed for tractors. Of course, there isn't hardly any traffic, so it's not a big deal for them to pass. Our shoulders do pretty well, but the tractors aren't going to the extreme edge.
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How much larger can they make equipment? I'm sure that larger can be designed, but how can the operator manage to comprehend everything? I can't imagine how hard it is to see the end of the header already!
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 1:40pm
its going to be the demise of the family farm. I have a neighbor that between him and his partner (and some hired help in the fall) do 2500 acres. his expenses are so high per acre that that's how much land he needs to make a living. now you can take 4 or 5 solo guys with smaller old equipment and the can make the same money off a fraction of the acres, its pure waist. that 2500 acres could support 5 families instead of 2. At least that's how I see it.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 3:53pm
I agree with you Paul...and I can't help but think that there would be more farmers stay in it if they could get new smaller combines and other equipment (not just acreage stuff)! almost all of my equipment is overkill on the amount of acres I farm! but that's all you can find anymore that isn't completely wore out! maybe Gleaner company could start a new fad along with building the big stuff! go back and build a new 3-4 row machine! same with planters. how long has it been since ya'll have seen a brand new 4-row planter?
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 4:32pm
that and cash rent... Cash rent needs to be outlawed. no little guy can compete with these Big time Outfits paying $400 an acre and making next to nothing profit.
And then you have the Insurance Fraud Farmers....
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 5:42pm
Dmpaul89 wrote:
that and cash rent... Cash rent needs to be outlawed. no little guy can compete with these Big time Outfits paying $400 an acre and making next to nothing profit.
And then you have the Insurance Fraud Farmers.... |
You cant compete with crop share either. I haven't figured up all my costs but i think i netted less than $25 an acre and I didnt put p&k on either . It all runs off of volume, makes it hard for starting young farmers like me.
------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more!
"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!"
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 6:40pm
$25. is good compared to a lot of farmers! it's when you get down into the single digits that sucks! and a lot of farmers have had that, even on the minus side a few times! try to pay for any color machines, new or used with a few years of that! been a couple times my job in town pulled me thru...just to start all over again the next year....not knowing!
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 8:02pm
Ive been blessed to be able to use my families land on crop share. Im just just starting out too. If it wasnt for that I would of never started. Way too much competition and pressure to produce. The only fields I have found availiable on my own are flood prone or crp.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2015 at 11:58pm
yeah ethan...we had 2 farmers rent some ground near here, they used the govt payment as most of their cash rental agreement of $350. per acre. but when harvest time was complete, they couldn't or didn't want to pay that much, and didn't, so the land owner is out on the rent! was a hand shake agreement, nothing in writing, and it looks like the courts will rule in favor of the renters, not the land owner! they said the production wasn't there, everyone thinks they either have the grain hideen or they shipped it out of state under a different name!
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 4:47am
SHAMELESS, those guys needs their heads examined. We have some high rollers like that around here too. It seem that is where two fools meet, the man willing to offer that much and the man willing to accept it.
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"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!"
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 6:05am
SHAMELESS wrote:
I agree with you Paul...and I can't help but think that there would be more farmers stay in it if they could get new smaller combines and other equipment (not just acreage stuff)! almost all of my equipment is overkill on the amount of acres I farm! but that's all you can find anymore that isn't completely wore out! maybe Gleaner company could start a new fad along with building the big stuff! go back and build a new 3-4 row machine! same with planters. how long has it been since ya'll have seen a brand new 4-row planter? |
Explain why they dropped the R42? It's because it didn't sell! It was too small it's a warm and fuzzy idea but not practical. Manufactures can't or won't make little ones cheaper enough for the little guy. I think you can import tiny Chineese combines. I never heard a person say they would farm if they could only buy a new little combine to start with. Pure a Silly concept.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 6:09am
Dmpaul89 wrote:
that and cash rent... Cash rent needs to be outlawed. no little guy can compete with these Big time Outfits paying $400 an acre and making next to nothing profit.
And then you have the Insurance Fraud Farmers.... |
You like Communism? We are in a free market economy. Here all rent is cash rent. Simple and fair.
------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 7:11am
It's not really a free market. The government has a whole lot of control and works hand in hand with companies like Cargill. Remember when the government first told the farmers to get big or get out? Since then the government has molded farming into large corporate entities and made trade deals that has made and broke lots of farmers depending on their size and they have no problem bailing out farmers when times get tough. Get the government out and make them do their original assigned job. The more the government gets involved the more volatile the prices have been. Bailouts save the big ones and doesn't do much for small farmers.
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 8:19am
Well victoryallis has some acres LOL. Did I strike a nerve? How is cash rent fair? Its the walmart of farming. create so much volume that you can live off $5 an acre. And no im not a communist. I guarantee I make at least twice the profit per acre as most BTO's out there today. Thats efficiency. Now if I had a 50k yearly loan payment for a new combine and tractor I would need to do 1000 acres Just to pay the loan. That is waist. That helps us in no way.
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Posted By: aras
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 8:30am
Lonn wrote:
It's not really a free market. The government has a whole lot of control and works hand in hand with companies like Cargill. Remember when the government first told the farmers to get big or get out? Since then the government has molded farming into large corporate entities and made trade deals that has made and broke lots of farmers depending on their size and they have no problem bailing out farmers when times get tough. Get the government out and make them do their original assigned job. The more the government gets involved the more volatile the prices have been. Bailouts save the big ones and doesn't do much for small farmers. |
You are correct! My Dad and I just farm for the fun of it really. It allows us to buy and maintain our Allis and Gleaner stuff. Would I buy a new combine if I could. NO. Our L3's do just as good a job as the big guys -- sometimes better
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 8:33am
good thinking ARAS! I would much rather have that money in my pockets for things I WANT to do or buy!
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Posted By: aras
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 9:00am
SHAMELESS wrote:
good thinking ARAS! I would much rather have that money in my pockets for things I WANT to do or buy! |
Those new John Deere tractors sure look nice HA
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 12:19pm
I can't see the logic of 300+ bushel combines. A full tank of corn would be nearly 17,000 lb. plus the weight of the combine and head. Even on dry ground the compaction is going to be immense. Most everybody uses grain carts anyway, you don't really need more capacity in the combine tank. My cousin in Ohio runs a 6 row header on his big JD just because it's easy to get between fields.
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Posted By: skateboarder68
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 1:19pm
Crop share is the fairest way because both farmer and landlord have some risk. Cash rent removes almost all the risk from the landlord. If i were a landlord no way would i agree to be paid after harvest for cash rent! Around here most cash rent is paid in full by April 1st, sometimes 75% early and 25% after harvest. Not much crop share because it is a lot of record keeping for the landlord plus storing & marketing a crop, trusting the farmer, knowing about fertilizer, seed, etc. Plus a lot of absentee landlords who live hundreds of miles away and just want a check.
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 1:27pm
info on classifications
http://www.agweb.com/article/what_gives_a_combine_its_class/" rel="nofollow - http://www.agweb.com/article/what_gives_a_combine_its_class/
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 10:37pm
Sounds like there are a lot of experts, that hasn't farmed long. To each there own on cash rent. Both ways have advantages, and risks. Some of you need to understand a few things before you talk. No one is living off of government payments. There hasn't been any for 4 years now. If you think someone is living on 5 acre. That would mean a 2500 acre farmer would make 12,500 a year. And hands are tied on a lot of inputs in farming that never use to be. If you think your getting rich farming, quit your town job, go buy you enough equipment to farm 1000 acres, and go rent some ground. Maybe buy a 40 for 8000 an acre. And pay your bills and raise your family out of the profits, see how that works out for ya. IG
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 10:40pm
What I hate is people that rent ground from full time farmers, and have a job in town that makes there living and gives them a way to get health care. Then runs there mouth about farmers that farm "a lot" of acres in there opinion. IG
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 11:01pm
Dmpaul89 wrote:
Well victoryallis has some acres LOL. Did I strike a nerve? How is cash rent fair? Its the walmart of farming. create so much volume that you can live off $5 an acre. And no im not a communist. I guarantee I make at least twice the profit per acre as most BTO's out there today. Thats efficiency. Now if I had a 50k yearly loan payment for a new combine and tractor I would need to do 1000 acres Just to pay the loan. That is waist. That helps us in no way. |
The 1200 that I farm with a family member are by far not on the enormous side Guy accross the county is covering 3700 plus. Most of I bet dozen plus guys around here my size or bigger. Rent is based off the potential of the ground. Being that own every bushel I produce it goes into our handling system to be stored. We get the return on our investment in the system. The landowners know as far out as 5 years from now what they get and when. Same for me I know what I'm paying down the road. I can only imagine dealing with some folks on shares.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2015 at 11:13pm
I had a job in town before I took over the family farm in "79, I kept the job in town and farmed too. helped me pay off equipment faster and provided us with good health insurance! saved our money, bought some industrial ground around the Cargill area at $80,000. per acre. this is investment property and is paid for. I retired from the job in town last year and still farm the family farm. my health hasn't been the best but is better than most on here and I still get good health insurance thru where I worked in town, and still will until medi-care takes over if it lasts that long! I don't farm a lot of acres, but it makes me money (I have to cash rent it from the others in the family) "you know...the "stockholders" as they prefer to be called! I love the cash rent agreement, it cuts a lot of bullchit out of my life from them! plus I have complete control of the ground, I wouldn't have if it were on shares. I have to buy 6 and 8 row or larger equipment to farm my little farm, as that's the only thing available in this part of the country! when was the last time any of ya'll saw a brand new 4-row planter for sale ona dealer lot? I buy something brand new for the farm every year from the net profits of the farm. all the "big" farmers in my area also have jobs in town....even tho they farm 3000-5000 acres each year. I really could never figure out why, because they have to hire people to help them get over those acres while they are at their "other" jobs during planting and harvesting!
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 8:11am
SHAMELESS wrote:
when was the last time any of ya'll saw a brand new 4-row planter for sale ona dealer lot?
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Trying to stay on topic of things, I did see a 4 row on our local Kinze lot. It only cost a little over $40,000. makes a new combine look cheap
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 10:17am
1200 acres is really nothing today. At least around here. I have no problem with big farmers. I do have a problem with government that bails out anybody, big or small or government rules that are now being discussed that will make it so someone farming less than 160 acres can't get in on farm programs or tax advantages. That has been discussed here at the county level and I've been to the meetings to hear it for myself. So far nothing has been done but the largest dairy in MN was there and that's what one of the owners of that dairy was pushing for and he also 160 acres is being generous.
BTW I despise government programs and haven't participated in years.
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Posted By: Kurt WI
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 11:02am
ILGLEANER wrote:
What I hate is people that rent ground from full time farmers, and have a job in town that makes there living and gives them a way to get health care. Then runs there mouth about farmers that farm "a lot" of acres in there opinion. IG |
Yeah thats true!! But how does one get a start in farming without working an off farm job? Not everyone gets the chance to work in to a farm with a dad uncle or grandpa either! Even if they do if the farm isnt large they will still have to work off farm to get started.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 11:14am
Daehler wrote:
SHAMELESS wrote:
when was the last time any of ya'll saw a brand new 4-row planter for sale ona dealer lot?
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Trying to stay on topic of things, I did see a 4 row on our local Kinze lot. It only cost a little over $40,000. makes a new combine look cheap |
And how is a person supposed to ever make that pencil? It would be cheaper to buy a used Deere 7000 strip it to the frame toss everything in the scrap pile but the frame and buy new row unit from Shoup and add the parts on from the Shoup catalog. If a planter is $40,000 what the heck would a new version of an F series cost $200,000 plus? I hate to say it but the little guy is forced to run the BTO hand me downs.
------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Posted By: Kurt WI
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 11:39am
You got that right victory!! But by the time the BTO's get finished with them they might be junk how the stuff is made today!!
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Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 1:19pm
I am relatively a newcomer here I guess, but I think different people here have different ideas of exactly what a BTO is. Most folks don't think of KY when thinking of grain country, but right here in the county I live in, there are at least 12 farmers that I can think of off top of my head that farm about 6000 acres, 7 that farm around 10,000, two that farm over 15,000, and one that is running 38,000. Some of these acres are in other counties, and some are in other states, but home bases are in Christian County. I started on my own with no help from anyone. My dad didn't farm, and he tried to talk me out of it, but it is what I wanted to do. I farm a little over 1800 acres of corn, wheat and soybeans, and have cut my tobacco acres back to 45, and I do still fool with a couple hundred acres of hay. I have always done some custom planting and harvesting along with some bush hogging on CRP ground. Most of my acres are cash rented, and I have a few farms that are still on shares, cause that is the way the landlord has always wanted to do them in the 25+ years I have cropped those farms. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rent here is just as competitive as most any part of the country, 200 to 350 an acre, depending on the type of ground. Now as far as the "seem to know how everything works" folks would think ( they seem to be everywhere now a days) I just half azz the crop, and sit on the mailbox and wait for Obama to send me a check. Well let me clue those folks in on a fact or two. To draw a check, the big factor is having a "base" on the said farm. It is broken down by individual farms. I crop only two farms that have any kind of base at all. Bases were set many years ago, so if a farm was in pasture back then, or other non base building crops, they have no base. Hence no payment. Not every farmer, large or small, draws a government check. But most everyone thinks they all do. And even if the government does pay a payment, not all are eligible. Take disaster payments, I have never drawn a disaster payment simply because the way they are figured, my tobacco crop made me ineligible. Now, go back some years, I cropped 6,600 acres in 5 counties for many years. A lot of river bottoms and some really good ground and some marginal. It was 62 miles to the two farms the longest distance from my shop. Made that trip many times some years with a planter cause the rivers would get out after I had planted, so back we went to replant. At the same time I worked 6,600 ac, I had 360 momma cows scattered in 3 counties and grew 130 to 150 acres of tobacco. I had 6 full time employees, and many part time. We worked 7 days a week practically all year. BUT, then as now, not but a very few of those 62 different farms had a base or a government payment. I have been down the road of the new 200 to 250k new tractors, 350k new combines and then a 70k draper head and 100k 12 row cornhead, and let's not for get the 140k to 180k planters too. I have paid for many of each over the years. But not by farming the government. But I would NOT go back and do all that again. It cost me my first marriage of 18 years, and it cost me my good health. And a lot of what "i" call the BTO are about one bad crop from broke. Not all of them, but some. But still people will talk about how those folks are millionaires and lucky, etc. Point being, Noone knows another person's business or how stout they are financially, but they sure like to sit around and talk and start the rumors. My son has worked for me on the farm since he was big enough to turn a steering wheel. I started last year bringing him in on the operation. But we don't run all the new tractors and combines and such anymore, we run equipment that WE can work on. Not the dealer and their laptops. I have had my absolute fill of that crap. My son and I and one full time employee do it all now, except the tobacco, which we hire part time help with. But I don't miss all the 50k combine payments or the 40k tractor or planter payments. The BTO can have all them they want, and to each his own. It's none of my business what they owe or what they get from government payments. I have enough to worry about keeping my operation going.
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 2:06pm
WOW!!!! poorboy Long post but WELL worth reading. You think exactly like me. I farm totally by myself with older but reliable equipment and make as much "profit" as some guys around me farming much bigger.
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Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 2:13pm
Sorry, Ky Allis. I got on a rant there.
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Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 3:17pm
That was a very good post! I think the same way- I'd rather work at making money than I would at making money for the implement dealership.
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Posted By: Dgrader
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 3:55pm
I like the way you think poorboy and totally agree with ya. Especially the equipment part. Give me tractors and combines I can work on, not all that electronic crap.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 5:25pm
KY poorboy wrote:
I am relatively a newcomer here I guess, but I think different people here have different ideas of exactly what a BTO is. Most folks don't think of KY when thinking of grain country, but right here in the county I live in, there are at least 12 farmers that I can think of off top of my head that farm about 6000 acres, 7 that farm around 10,000, two that farm over 15,000, and one that is running 38,000. Some of these acres are in other counties, and some are in other states, but home bases are in Christian County. I started on my own with no help from anyone. My dad didn't farm, and he tried to talk me out of it, but it is what I wanted to do. I farm a little over 1800 acres of corn, wheat and soybeans, and have cut my tobacco acres back to 45, and I do still fool with a couple hundred acres of hay. I have always done some custom planting and harvesting along with some bush hogging on CRP ground. Most of my acres are cash rented, and I have a few farms that are still on shares, cause that is the way the landlord has always wanted to do them in the 25+ years I have cropped those farms. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rent here is just as competitive as most any part of the country, 200 to 350 an acre, depending on the type of ground. Now as far as the "seem to know how everything works" folks would think ( they seem to be everywhere now a days) I just half azz the crop, and sit on the mailbox and wait for Obama to send me a check. Well let me clue those folks in on a fact or two. To draw a check, the big factor is having a "base" on the said farm. It is broken down by individual farms. I crop only two farms that have any kind of base at all. Bases were set many years ago, so if a farm was in pasture back then, or other non base building crops, they have no base. Hence no payment. Not every farmer, large or small, draws a government check. But most everyone thinks they all do. And even if the government does pay a payment, not all are eligible. Take disaster payments, I have never drawn a disaster payment simply because the way they are figured, my tobacco crop made me ineligible. Now, go back some years, I cropped 6,600 acres in 5 counties for many years. A lot of river bottoms and some really good ground and some marginal. It was 62 miles to the two farms the longest distance from my shop. Made that trip many times some years with a planter cause the rivers would get out after I had planted, so back we went to replant. At the same time I worked 6,600 ac, I had 360 momma cows scattered in 3 counties and grew 130 to 150 acres of tobacco. I had 6 full time employees, and many part time. We worked 7 days a week practically all year. BUT, then as now, not but a very few of those 62 different farms had a base or a government payment. I have been down the road of the new 200 to 250k new tractors, 350k new combines and then a 70k draper head and 100k 12 row cornhead, and let's not for get the 140k to 180k planters too. I have paid for many of each over the years. But not by farming the government. But I would NOT go back and do all that again. It cost me my first marriage of 18 years, and it cost me my good health. And a lot of what "i" call the BTO are about one bad crop from broke. Not all of them, but some. But still people will talk about how those folks are millionaires and lucky, etc. Point being, Noone knows another person's business or how stout they are financially, but they sure like to sit around and talk and start the rumors. My son has worked for me on the farm since he was big enough to turn a steering wheel. I started last year bringing him in on the operation. But we don't run all the new tractors and combines and such anymore, we run equipment that WE can work on. Not the dealer and their laptops. I have had my absolute fill of that crap. My son and I and one full time employee do it all now, except the tobacco, which we hire part time help with. But I don't miss all the 50k combine payments or the 40k tractor or planter payments. The BTO can have all them they want, and to each his own. It's none of my business what they owe or what they get from government payments. I have enough to worry about keeping my operation going. | Excellent post spoken from someone with experience , from being there and doing it. Not someone looking from the sidelines and knowing it all. IG
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 5:26pm
SHAMELESS wrote:
I had a job in town before I took over the family farm in "79, I kept the job in town and farmed too. helped me pay off equipment faster and provided us with good health insurance! saved our money, bought some industrial ground around the Cargill area at $80,000. per acre. this is investment property and is paid for. I retired from the job in town last year and still farm the family farm. my health hasn't been the best but is better than most on here and I still get good health insurance thru where I worked in town, and still will until medi-care takes over if it lasts that long! I don't farm a lot of acres, but it makes me money (I have to cash rent it from the others in the family) "you know...the "stockholders" as they prefer to be called! I love the cash rent agreement, it cuts a lot of bullchit out of my life from them! plus I have complete control of the ground, I wouldn't have if it were on shares. I have to buy 6 and 8 row or larger equipment to farm my little farm, as that's the only thing available in this part of the country! when was the last time any of ya'll saw a brand new 4-row planter for sale ona dealer lot? I buy something brand new for the farm every year from the net profits of the farm. all the "big" farmers in my area also have jobs in town....even tho they farm 3000-5000 acres each year. I really could never figure out why, because they have to hire people to help them get over those acres while they are at their "other" jobs during planting and harvesting! | I wasn't meaning you shameless. I would still like you if you called me names......LOL !!!!
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 6:08pm
On the topic of the new Gleaner, word has it the hydro and transmission controls will be entirely electronic.
I personally am not impressed with that at all. Give me a lever and some linkage, and a hydro cable. :) I don't mind the electronic throttle, but IMO propulsion should allways have a direct link to the operator controls.
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 7:06pm
GM Guy wrote:
On the topic of the new Gleaner, word has it the hydro and transmission controls will be entirely electronic.
I personally am not impressed with that at all. Give me a lever and some linkage, and a hydro cable. :) I don't mind the electronic throttle, but IMO propulsion should allways have a direct link to the operator controls.
| I agree! Just additional cost and something could break. Ryan
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 11:28pm
ILGLEANER wrote:
KY poorboy wrote:
I am relatively a newcomer here I guess, but I think different people here have different ideas of exactly what a BTO is. Most folks don't think of KY when thinking of grain country, but right here in the county I live in, there are at least 12 farmers that I can think of off top of my head that farm about 6000 acres, 7 that farm around 10,000, two that farm over 15,000, and one that is running 38,000. Some of these acres are in other counties, and some are in other states, but home bases are in Christian County. I started on my own with no help from anyone. My dad didn't farm, and he tried to talk me out of it, but it is what I wanted to do. I farm a little over 1800 acres of corn, wheat and soybeans, and have cut my tobacco acres back to 45, and I do still fool with a couple hundred acres of hay. I have always done some custom planting and harvesting along with some bush hogging on CRP ground. Most of my acres are cash rented, and I have a few farms that are still on shares, cause that is the way the landlord has always wanted to do them in the 25+ years I have cropped those farms. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rent here is just as competitive as most any part of the country, 200 to 350 an acre, depending on the type of ground. Now as far as the "seem to know how everything works" folks would think ( they seem to be everywhere now a days) I just half azz the crop, and sit on the mailbox and wait for Obama to send me a check. Well let me clue those folks in on a fact or two. To draw a check, the big factor is having a "base" on the said farm. It is broken down by individual farms. I crop only two farms that have any kind of base at all. Bases were set many years ago, so if a farm was in pasture back then, or other non base building crops, they have no base. Hence no payment. Not every farmer, large or small, draws a government check. But most everyone thinks they all do. And even if the government does pay a payment, not all are eligible. Take disaster payments, I have never drawn a disaster payment simply because the way they are figured, my tobacco crop made me ineligible. Now, go back some years, I cropped 6,600 acres in 5 counties for many years. A lot of river bottoms and some really good ground and some marginal. It was 62 miles to the two farms the longest distance from my shop. Made that trip many times some years with a planter cause the rivers would get out after I had planted, so back we went to replant. At the same time I worked 6,600 ac, I had 360 momma cows scattered in 3 counties and grew 130 to 150 acres of tobacco. I had 6 full time employees, and many part time. We worked 7 days a week practically all year. BUT, then as now, not but a very few of those 62 different farms had a base or a government payment. I have been down the road of the new 200 to 250k new tractors, 350k new combines and then a 70k draper head and 100k 12 row cornhead, and let's not for get the 140k to 180k planters too. I have paid for many of each over the years. But not by farming the government. But I would NOT go back and do all that again. It cost me my first marriage of 18 years, and it cost me my good health. And a lot of what "i" call the BTO are about one bad crop from broke. Not all of them, but some. But still people will talk about how those folks are millionaires and lucky, etc. Point being, Noone knows another person's business or how stout they are financially, but they sure like to sit around and talk and start the rumors. My son has worked for me on the farm since he was big enough to turn a steering wheel. I started last year bringing him in on the operation. But we don't run all the new tractors and combines and such anymore, we run equipment that WE can work on. Not the dealer and their laptops. I have had my absolute fill of that crap. My son and I and one full time employee do it all now, except the tobacco, which we hire part time help with. But I don't miss all the 50k combine payments or the 40k tractor or planter payments. The BTO can have all them they want, and to each his own. It's none of my business what they owe or what they get from government payments. I have enough to worry about keeping my operation going. | Excellent post spoken from someone with experience , from being there and doing it. Not someone looking from the sidelines and knowing it all. IG | exactly who are you talking about?
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2015 at 1:40am
GM...it'll give the mice something more to chew on! IG...thanks! KY...I agree on "something we can work on ourselves". it's been that way along time here! sometimes buying a 2nd. machine ona sale just for a parts unit! and as for the govt payment I get...I can take the old lady....oooops...I mean the loving wife out for a nice supper with it!
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2015 at 5:45am
hmm. word has it the hydro and transmission controls will be entirely electronic.
I wonder if they have an 'operator is seated' safety switch to prevent the Gleaner from moving WHEN( and it will) the mice 'command' the computer to go forward !!
Considering I used to design microcomputers ,these days I hate ALL of them....
Jay
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