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AC H-3 Dozer

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Topic: AC H-3 Dozer
Posted By: wildcat2
Subject: AC H-3 Dozer
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2015 at 5:11pm
Plan to go and look at an H-3 dozer later this week, and was wondering what I should look out for. Your experiences would be helpful.



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Posted By: wayneIA
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2015 at 9:41pm
The most expensive parts to fix start at the ground and go up, check the sprockets for wear if the teeth come to a sharp point, how much wear is there in the track chains, how much grouser is left on the track pads.  Also how worn the front idlers and truck rollers are.  After that then you go up and look for wear or breakage on the rest of the machine.  I onlly have a 5 and don't know of the common issues with a 3 unfortuanatly, but the undercarriage is where most of a crawler's value is.


Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2015 at 4:42am
As a primer recommend checking  these items on an H3 or HD3.  Not all have the same symptoms or conditions, but expect these to be frequently found on a 50 year old machine. 

1. Frame Alignment on front 1/4 of  the C channel, normal to have stress cracks at the end of the opening that accommodates the front idler - also deflection in this area.  Check out how many are gusseted with a repair in various photos available on the net. 

2. Wear on Pins and Bushings  and rollers that compose the track as noted above.  Also, wear on the vertical rib of the front idler, is the rib uniform or is there more wear on one side than the other? Jack the machine up, let the track sag and see if there is deflection in the roller as mounted on its cross shaft.


3. Seals and bearings in the final drive and transmission housing.  It might be a good idea to inspect the steering clutch housing by removing the inspection cover if the seller will permit.  The housing and clutches are dry.  Oil laying in the bottom of the housing is an indication that the seals are knackered and possibly bearing assembly is worn.  

4. Sprocket alignment at the interface between the sprocket tooth and the rear roller.  The tooth of the sprocket should not touch the flange of the  rear truck/roller. 

5. External leaks from the final drive or rollers. Rollers were originally oil lubed.  Bellow seals to keep the oil in the housing are NLA that I have found.  Some have experimented with Corn head grease as a update to remedy leaking rolls/trucks. 

6. External leaks below the Power Director sump or oil supply line to sump. 

7.Excessive wear on the track and undercarriage components will lead to a snaky track. 

8. Deflection of the bolt holes where the grouser plates attach to the track chain.  Grab a hold of the grousers and see if they move left to right.  If so the hole that accommodates the bolt to secure the grouser is wallowed out. 

9. Hours on machine and overall care by previous owner(s) should be self evident. 

10. Shuttle clutch should have a distinct snap when moved from neutral detent - both forward and reverse. 

11. Last fire the machine up and operate it, check for odd growls and whines during operation from the hydraulic pump, shuttle or transmission.   Does it stay in all gears both forward and reverse.  


Posted By: IronworkerFXR
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2015 at 10:36pm
That is a good checklist and in a good order 


Posted By: wildcat2
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2015 at 3:31pm
Thanks to all for the good advice . Went and looked at it today. Under carriage was good, looked and sounded good. It was a 1962 machine, sn 1501. The problem was it had water in the oil and the owner would not budge off the 6500 price tag.   Thanks again.


Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2015 at 6:17pm
Wildcat- At that price you might consider shifting focus to an HD5 or HD6 machine. 


Posted By: LaJaMe
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2015 at 10:27pm
Couple of h-3m questions. Is the hd-3 a diesel My brother just bought an hd-3 (hood emblem says). I thought it was an h-3. Any thoughts? Also he has a backhoe that fits right on it but there is no model name plate. Any way to tell which model backhoe? Just need to figure wher the three hoses on the backhoe hook up and then go to work. Thanks


Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2015 at 9:03am
HD3 is a Diesel engine.  

Henry Backhoe is usually attached to the back end of the H3 if original equipment.  Could be other homebrew adapted backhoes on the attached given the number of years that have past since the machine was new.  

Production period 1960 - 1969



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