Who made the articulateds?
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Topic: Who made the articulateds?
Posted By: Michael (WI)
Subject: Who made the articulateds?
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 11:22am
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I'm at an auction right now where there are several 8000 series and somebody looking at one of them claimed that it's got the same transmission (20 sp PD) as the Steiger. He then went on to say that Steiger made all the large articulated for Allis like the 4w-305. I believe the 440 was a Steiger, but as far as I know the newer ones were engineered and built by AC. Or is there some possibility that Steiger assemble them for AC? |
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 11:51am
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allis chalmers made two series for Stieger - sold them the "bogies" ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 11:58am
| Stieger made the 440, A.C. made the others themselves |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 12:55pm
| Yup. Steiger made only the 440 for allis, it is 100% steiger with orange paint and a cummins engine. However, if you run accross a steiger with bar axles, the axles and transmission are supplied to steiger by allis for those units. Darrel |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 1:24pm
| AC supplied Steiger with some driveline components. Hopefully someone with better knowledge will reply. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 2:12pm
| Yes AC did supply axles , trannys and Powerdirectors to Stieger later on , prolly the late 70,s early 80,s when they were looking hard for outside business; |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 2:55pm
If I remember right  it was the smaller 1000 series steigers, the last green ones before the Case IH models that had the Allis drive trains.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 3:02pm
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They have the AC 20 speed transmission in the stiegers in the 80s IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 6:39pm
| The 20 speeds in nearly every steiger is a spicer 10 speed box,same as the semi trucks use,early model steigers used these for 10 gears and the later ones got 20 by having a 2 speed drop box to get 20, powershift steigers were allison transmissions |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 7:47pm
Except for the 20 speed transmissions supplied by Allis-Chalmers.
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JPG AUSTRALIA wrote:Posted By: Mike Kroupa
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 8:03pm
| Steiger wanted a couple models with bar axles and integrated pto's, this is where A-C came in and supplied the components. The ones that I've seen had an L10 Cummins engine. Can't remember about the dropboxes, but thinking they would've been A-C also. COUGAR 1280 is one model that comes to my mind. , Mike |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 8:12pm
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http://www.bigtractorparts.com/downloads/Stieger_Model_ID_thru1000.pdf
Starting on page 72
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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 10:19pm
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Short story. Two young engineers worked together at White Farm on the 4-150, and got to be friends and rode some motorcycle together. One went to Steiger and one (me) went to Allis in the mid 70's. We stayed in touch. Steiger saw the need for some tractors with adjustable wheel tread and live PTO. I got a call. Allis had the transmission and drop boxes (2 needed) to do that. Allis was also hungry for business, so we also took the 8000 final drive and made it into a "package" unit. End of story. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 10:52pm
Good story I think I heard that one before. I hoped you would set the record straight. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2015 at 11:04pm
Did I tell it over pizza in my kitchen??  ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: gleaner1
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 7:50am
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1985 CR and KR Cougar 1225 and 1280's were the only two models. It was a one year wonder. What is most interesting is that is this is the same time period that Deutz owned a stake in Steiger after purchasing the IH shares a couple yrs prior. ------------- ALLIS CHALMERS "The color is orange" |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 8:05am
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Interesting. I can't say enough, how much I enjoy reading about the rich AC history. 427435 - Thanks for sharing your incredible short story. I have 2 questions; 1. what are bar axles? 2. What were the hp ratings for these Steiiger/AC models? |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 8:36am
| Bar axles are the normal round axle shafts most tractors use as opposed to outboard planetary axles. Horsepower was 225 and 280. Like I said before the smaller 1000 series 1225 and 1280 models. |
Posted By: Mike Kroupa
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 8:47am
| AC7060, Bar axles are an acronym for adjustable axles. Up until that time Steigers had outboard planetary (non-adjustable)axles. 225 & 280 were the hp ratings. Also on a side not these particular models have turned into orphan's, with a lot of the A-C parts NLA. In contrast to the earlier & later models that used truck components, Allison trans. etc., Mike |
Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 11:22am
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there is a nice 85 kr1225 on tractor house with bars and a allis trans ------------- remember plunder than burn |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 11:11pm
Hmmmm........got me thinkin. Darrel |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2015 at 11:54pm
Looks like it even has AC wedges on the axel. That would look pretty cool painted orange sitting between my 220 and 305.......hhhhmmmmm IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2015 at 12:07am
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Does anything in this photo look familiar? http://m.tractorhouse.com/Picture/Index?listingId=9070889&categoryId=1108" rel="nofollow - m.tractorhouse.com/Picture/Index?listingId=9070889&categoryId=1108 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2015 at 12:11am
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!!@&#! I did not realize my weblink was a group of photos, instead of just one... Once the weblink photos appear, please scroll down to it's cab photos showing the gear shift console. |