Old Workhorse needs a new Loving home.
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Topic: Old Workhorse needs a new Loving home.
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Subject: Old Workhorse needs a new Loving home.
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 7:59pm
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I need to sell this tractor, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kkwy5ooz0lw2lah/AAD1SVCJkVr2owwmTmHp8vGxa?dl=0" rel="nofollow - Here , as quickly as someone wants to own it. It is a wonderful machine which my dad used to create the hole it is sitting in. It was going to be a pool. The removed limestone went to pave the road. Dad died a few years ago, and the tractor has been sitting since. I am sure there is still fuel in the tank. Dad and I built the cab, which is removable. The property that it is on In currency under suit for repossession on a back tax lien. The tractor needs work, but is priced accordingly. It has a three tooth ripper, and a bucket that I believe is a 2.5 yd bucket, which he later purchased and we installed. My memory might be incorrect, and it is possible that it is a 1.5 yd bucket. I am sure the engine is still strong, but I am not going to trust the hydraulic lines. Not sure of the condition of the filters or anything else. I was in a hurry and didn't have time to get the reference numbers off of the plate. I am not sure of it is a 7g or a 7gB, and am willing to negotiate on pricing, but must move on a now time frame. Serious inquiries only, please. Johnathon, [830] 992-7014 or mailto:learn.before.you.judge.2014@gmail.com" rel="nofollow - email me . |
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 8:51pm
| can't see the pic |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 9:01pm
| I'll fix it, right now. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 9:03pm
| Should be fixed. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 9:09pm
| Hold on. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2015 at 10:39pm
| Web link issue resolved. My apologies for the delay. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 12:26am
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Where is it located?
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 4:23am
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It is a plain 7G just like a few on here. It appears to be a mid production unit, has later style shovel arms yet retains the round under hood air filter. Shoes are pretty well done as are mine, cannot see rails for bushing condition or dimension but as they are not too far adjusted out may still have life left in them. Running and functional these tractors only sell for a few thousand here even with the ripper. Where is this one located? |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 7:37am
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Phone number is located in San Antonio, Tx, if that helps any. David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 3:45pm
| The machine is located near San Antonio, TX, true enough. It needs a better home then the scrap yard, which is the, only option other than selling. I am flexible on pricing. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2015 at 8:11pm
| You should really slide a set of batteries in that machine, get it started and moved out of the hole, get it where it can be seen and operated and possibly a local would pick it up. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2015 at 10:43am
| I am on a closinng window of opportunity to get it sold. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 9:47am
| Last day. Going to schedule with the scrapers today. Last chance, people. |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:15am
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Get the best deal on scrap you can. Trying to come here and sell it in 3 days with no posted price, mystery condition, and no history with our group isn't the best plan. Best of luck to ya. ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:30am
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I have only slightly more info than I posted. This tractor, and the problem of the land it sits on fell into my lap about a week ago. The court date about the whole repossesion of the property situation is next week, so... Additionally, I had no idea how to value it, really considering the work it needs. But, anyway. I am going to call them this afternoon. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 10:33am
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I worked on the tractor when I was a kid, but never have dealt with this market, or even knowing anything about it didn't help. But I know how much dad loved,that beast. I might keep the engine anyway. |
Posted By: scooter01922
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 9:02am
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If the "whole repossession of property situation" is NEXT week why are you trying to scrap it THIS week??? Seems like you at least have a little more time, more likely a bit more as i can't believe that from the time you found out about this situation to its conclusion will be 2 weeks. Hate to see old potentially working stuff get cut up cause its the easier route. If you are pondering keeping the engine then you HAVE the effort to save the whole damn machine. |
Posted By: ac_sd
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 10:59pm
| It probably weighs around 22,000 lbs, Put it on Craigslist for reasonably more than your scrap price and you might get some interest. I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I also live in San Diego! |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 12:04am
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I respect the thought of the initial request, but I'll concur with the suggestion that commanding committal with such limited timeframe and ambiguous information is extremely short-sighted. The logistical consequences of extracting an 11-ton machine from an unknown 'hole' in an undescribed location where it's been sitting for a good long time, is hardly a trivial matter. I like the challenge of moving things, but I don't carry a 130-ton crane and a spread-axle drop-deck in my carry-on handbag. I HIRE cranes and trucking companies, they're not cheap, and they have other customers' schedules to meet too. The first and foremost preferred method of extraction, is just as a previos poster suggested- get batteries in it, fire it up, and drive it out of the hole. If it doesn't drive, the magnitude of logistical investment immediately goes up by three orders-of-magnitude, and under short-term pressure, add another order-of-magnitude. The result, is that the cost to remove it, increases in scale dramatically, while the monetary value of it, drops to nothing. That leaves the committed individual deeper in the hole, than the machine. That is an extremely unwise risk, considering you expressed want to 'move it now, discuss price later'. Only a fool would step in that trap. What is ironic, is that if you want the engine, you won't be pulling it out of the machine in 3 days. If you find a scrapper that CAN extract it, they very well may pass, because their cost to extract exceeds market value of the recycleable sale. Don't be surprised if respondants sound insulted by your offer... many would have bent over backwards to extract it to safety, so that someone who could actually afford to transport and restore it, COULD... but the circumstances under which you posted it don't seem to pass the litmus test. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 9:37am
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@DaveKamp. I concur with every sentiment posted. The scrappers did pass... Because of the same problem. Moving it. It will likely be repossessed with the property. We are in recess for a month in court. So, yeah. I have a bit more time. I have no resources to invest in this project. I only wanted to see it go to someone who would give it the love it deserves. The reality of the situation is that it won't happen. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 9:46am
| Yea. I am not worried about making money on the deal. There is none to be made. I just don't want to see it die a slow death of rust. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 3:52pm
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Okay, so if that one-month recess means we have TIME, and we can get access to extract, what say you to getting better pictures of the lay of land, access to the extraction point, and geographical challenges, conjure up several possible plans, and find some local operatives that can make an attempt at getting it out, with first preference being driving it out under it's own power. I'm certain that if it's out, and at some other safe location, that someone is willing to give it a good home. We may need to enlist transport resources to save it, and find the right person to adopt it, but the critical item is TIME... better part of a month just might work. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 9:11pm
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Okay, so since the circumstances have changed slightly, I placed a call to someone who is IN the area, who isn't a particular expert on tracked equipment or Allis, may or may not be interested in adopting, but has space and probably willingness to store it whilst waiting for an adoptee, and is a natural with respect to assessing machinery situations, internal combustion, hydraulics, etc. and is also quite capable of setting up resources to extract it, regardless of wether it's an 'easy' drive-out, or much more involved. The general plan at this moment, is to visit the site this weekend sometime. What I'd like to do, is find an 'expert' resource on this machine, so our field contact will have someone to get a pre-departure description of the machine model and it's typical character, so that a basic list of tools is in the truck, and a general plan of what to check out in making the assessment. Can I get a volunteer or two? Reply, or PM me with contact info, and I'll connect you with my friend.  ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 7:05am
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Dave, I have a 7G where I have learned about all the nuances I can so if you have someone that can pickup this old iron block send me a PM so I can give your bud a email address so we can speak. Mine is one of the last built and had the infamous FA emblems on the all Allis chassis but it is the same model tractor, the one of note being a bit earlier version but late enough in production to have the newer style loader frame, S/N will be on upper right rear machined area of the final housing fully visible if scratched with a knife or scraper. Dave M |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 8:08am
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Hi Dave! Thanks for jumping in- I sent you a PM to you accordingly. Several other things that would be nice to know, for someone with no experience (myself included) First... what's the approximate width, from outer edge of tracks? (to figure out how 'oversize' it would be, if it is). I assume there were different width of tracks available... and also, height to top of the ROPS, basic length without, and with the loader... Should we ever find ourselves sitting in the seat and not finding a steering wheel... fill me in on the controls. I personally have operated a myriad of different driveline systems on all sorts of heavy machines, some very intuitive, some not so much, but discovered that each machine has it's own 'way'... {Model T Ford...} Floor, center pedal, says AUTO... is this a combination brake, or a declutching or dethrottling control? Left and right pedals... clutch/brake for right/left tracks? U-shaped lever- direction and shift range? If it's in the left gate, vs right gate, I assume that changes from forward to reverse... is it also a range selector where forward or rearward changes speed? To the left of the U-shaped lever... engine throttle? To the right of the U-shaped lever, a lever that has an S-shaped pattern... ?? Long lever above left shoulder? Long lever to right hand- looks like a two-axis... loader lift and curl? Dashboard, black button- starter? Dashboard switch- lights? I don't see a fuel cutoff control anywhere, but I see it on the parts guide... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 12:10pm
| Things from my memory., some matched, some didn't. I definitely blame my memory for the not matching. I did a,screen shot, and used my paint program[android], so it converted the image to .png. But it is stored in the same link where the photos were I, the original shoot. When you asked the other Dave Those questions, some memories jogged around in my brain about the levers. I labeled in the image accordingly. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 12:16pm
| I know steering is done with brakes on either side, and corresponding clutches, in the center. All the hydraulic controlls are on the right. Along with the gear selector. If I remember right,it has 3or4 forward and 3 back. Might he,just 3 forward and 2 back. I honestly cannot remember, But I know the shift lever is it's own thing, kind of underneath and behind all the hydraulics control levers. The throttle is on the far left, along with the switch for power and the start button are on the dash. I hope I helped, at least a,little. |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 2:48pm
| from what I remember. not seeing a picture of the controls because some machines on the hd7g were set up a little different . there should be a pedal in the middle that's the decelerator . the 2 outside pedals are the brakes and the 2 leavers between the legs are the steering leaver the throttle should be on the dash on the left but I have seen some with the throttle leaver in the floor the u shaped is the transmission 2 forward 2 reverse some weren't u shaped the were in a line like the hd6ep the leaver on the the left thast kinda crooked probably with a red knob is the safety lock flap and the leaver on the right of the u shape is the speed control not all had this .the 2 stacked leavers on the far right is the bucket control and the exra leaver is for the ripper . |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 2:49pm
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sorry throttle should be on the right on the dash |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 6:50pm
| I honestly cannot rememberm. It's just been toovmamy years. But, it is on the,sash, somewhere. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 6:52pm
| It has,the crooked line set up on the shift lever. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 8:04pm
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Provided it had the decelerator set up throttle will be to right on dash, with yourself seated the hand clutch controls are directly between the legs, hydraulic control; brakes are as thought left and right but right has a Orscheln style fold lever for parking brake. Center pedal is indeed a decelerator if there, for the hydraulic on the shovel lower lever for frame, upper of the two is bucket, generally all by itself and high will be ripper on mine it is 4/1 bucket. Left side dash, kill rod, out to stop, gauges if legible are for fuel pressure, trans and clutch pressure, engine oil and temp. Trans shifter to left hand, two forward to inside slot, two reverses in outer slot. Hydraulics tanks has a breather and a oil filter inside under the two large covers, the rear one is for shovel oil and DO NOT open the fill port while running!! Is in he flow from controls thru the filter and will make a mess. Don't ask how I know. Engine dipstick on left rear of block, trans stick at operators left heel, oil fill for trans is under the seat and I am using 10W MFA premium trans/hydraulic. Are two strainers on the trans, a scavenge pump screen right bottom facing right truck frame, steering and trans supply is in front of case where suction tubes for steering and trans supply pumps are, four 1/2" bolts on around a 4 inch circle, and BOTH need maintenance when one is suffering. Weight is around 22-24,000 pounds dependent on accessories as ripper, should only be seven feet wide with fifteen inch shoes and will fit a reasonably small drop deck low boy. If can't get it running block the shovel up with channel iron on the lift cylinders while lifting with another loader or tow truck and holding the loader frame control back. Down is forward, up is back, shovel bucket is forward to dump to rear to curl. Brakes will still somewhat work if in adjustment even with no power, just do not expect much. The adjusters are to the sides of the seat front cross member under large diameter caps with 3/4" hex on top at the front edge of the final case pointed up. Will need a 3/4" socket and reasonable extension to adjust, draw down snug then back off 1 full turn. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 10:11pm
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Everything,Dmiller just said is correct. I am not sure about a decelerator. In my mind, there is a lever,on the left that controls throttle. Bit the steering clutch placement And the brakes on the floor and the functionality of the levers are all correct. The plates on the floor [used to] come right of to reveal everything ad he said. It does fit a short(ish) lowboy with the lowered middle section. The only thing is that he didn't cover, which I see as a huge problem, is that the hydraulic lines have been dryrotting for over a decade. And I well remember,the painintheass of that particular replacement job. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 10:15pm
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Can anyone estimate for me the bucket size from the pictures I took? My memory isn't clear on that point. My brain wants to say 2.5 yard, but I could be, and probably am, mistaken. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 10:18pm
| I just reread. True. The gearshift is on the left, all hydraulica on the right. Some memories are jigsawing back together, the more I read, and think. Its been along time since I've Sat in that seat. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 6:50am
| Bucket should be 1.5-2 yard, my MP bucket is 1.25 and the GP I got with my donor is 1.75. Earlier non-decelerator tractors had the throttle off the dash to the right side a few were mounted left side, earliest units had a rocker style foot pedal. Minnpar has excellent parts manual with diagrams on the prior to 24400 s/n tractors, yours should be prior to the 23003 s/n with the under hood air cleaner. |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 8:01am
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Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 3:45pm
| I can not remember. It's been too long. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 7:39pm
| Battery set up? This is much harder without a year model. |
Posted By: Old7g?forSale
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 8:01pm
| One battery. Talked with my brother. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 8:08pm
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Should have been two batteries as is 24V, should be jumper connect +to- and the negative of one connected to a rotary switch in the battery box, positive of the other to ground. Michael, looks same as mine save I have the box air filter, throttle on the picture is center, kill is red knob to left, looks like no decal on that one. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2015 at 10:48pm
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Just got an update on this, apparently the probate status of the property has been clarified such that the crawler cannot be removed, so this operation is now somewhere between postponed, or cancelled. Thank you Dave, and everyone else who joined in. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2015 at 12:53am
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Still might be kind of fun to see if you can get it running. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2015 at 9:04pm
| dave thats one thst was for sale a while back one of the 7g my dad had was set up like that the shifter wasent the u shape it was like the one on a hd6 ep the last one we had had the decel peddle and the on the dash air filter ill look i did have the operators manual for that one |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 3:39pm
I imagine that after the 'rest of the estate' comes to the conclusion that it falls not in the 'asset', but rather 'liability' category, that an opportunity may arise, but I suspect that when that opportunity arises, the constraints may be out of reasonable realm. We shall see. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
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