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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21836 |
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Blue smoke or haze out of the exhaust usually means it's engine overhaul time. Pistons/sleeves, valves and valve guides.
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frnkeore ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 May 2019 Location: Southern Oregon Points: 362 |
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The blue haze, in question, will be from oil burning. Continuous, regarding rings but, if it occurs, when opening the throttle, it will be from warn, intake valve guides.
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Frank
1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8478 |
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Matt,
Just get it! Looks pretty good from here! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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dt1050 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078 |
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I don't worry about a little smoke when it's throttled up. my d17 series one engine was stuck twice, once before I owned and then it was stuck again when I bought it. took about a week and it was running and has been smoking like a flue since (probly broke a ring freeing it up). it uses quite a bit of oil...(leaking and burning it). make sure you test the high low going down hill with engine revving a a bit to hold the tractor back, that's when they will normally pop out. a lot of times on level ground they will work fine.
these are good old machines and mine has done a lot of work. check for psteering leaks.
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Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Okay I don't think mine has power steering although with it being a wide front end it steers pretty easily...
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dt1050 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078 |
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power steering is nice with a loader mine has a 7.5ft bucket. you couldn't steer it with out power steering...lol. but aside from the power director popping out of gear i don't think there are any real issues with these machines and unlike the older machines the engine should hold you back when going down hill a real plus on a hillside like mine. lol
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Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Just got this delivered yesterday!
I can now hopefully do some of my own farm fields by myself without having to rely on anyone else to plow or cut my fields( my collection is now my dad's 1950 AC-b, 1953 AC-ca, and last edition a 1959 AC- d-17) Now it's just a matter of finding the time to put em to work( which I've already started to use my CA this year finally for BH work, post hole work, and possibly run my 80t sickle mower for a second cutting hay for our beef cows ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Hunt4Allis - 01 Aug 2019 at 12:16am |
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frnkeore ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 May 2019 Location: Southern Oregon Points: 362 |
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Overall, it looks very nice. Did you get a blade with it, too?
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Frank
1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Yes,7'snap coupler rear blade, 3 bottom plow from a WD converted to a snap coupler, snap coupler tow bar.
I know the previous owner used the rear blade but the 3 bottom plow is a bit rusted solid at the hand crank for height adjustment so it's untested... |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8478 |
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Matt,
The 17 will be your work horse for sure! Start soaking that adjuster on the plow, then later some heat to loosen the rust. Tractor looks good! Have fun with your new toy! Your collection is growing! You need to add a WD45 in there too!
Regards, Chris |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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I'd get a set of "snap coupler" lift arms for the plow before you use it!
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Scott B ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2013 Location: Kansas City Points: 1048 |
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I gave $3k for mine about 8 years ago. Much like what you're looking at, all intact, not much 'mechanic modifications' done to it, paint ok and tires/rims were functional. Currently in the process of upgrading my tires and rims. I'd say good price and the blade is a bonus.
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CrestonM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 8455 |
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I've known this for a while, but never understood why the valve guides usually only let oil past them when opening the throttle. Can someone explain that? My initial thought was when opening the throttle, the increased "suction" from the pistons on the intake stroke is what pulls the oil through the worn guides, but I don't know if that's right.
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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I can almost guarantee you will be happy with this addition. We were still in business when the D-17 came out as dealers we were very pleased to see it. Had good power and over time has proven to be an outstanding unit. Very few problems. Looks like you made an excellent purchase. The D-17 came when we needed a larger, more powerful unit. Was a "hoss" at the time. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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It has tripled in last couple years 😆 It's kinda krept up on me from my earliest memories with my pops driving the b plowing our garden ( me usually standing on plow to get it to start into our blue clay we had at home in spots...) Or watching him plow our driveway out of winter snowfalls |
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Ok, why? Right now it's hooked up with what I would call a " ball & socket type of hook up ( I removed the snap coupler grips off of the lift arms and slid what was already mounted on the plow over these arms, which have a screw to tighten down onto the arms- I believe that this 3 bottom plow was paired with a 45 the guy also had for sale) Thanks Matt |
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Good looking tractor in it's work clothes! I'm sure you will be happy with it. Not sure that trailer is strong enough for that tractor though, lol. What do you have to pull the trailer? |
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frnkeore ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 May 2019 Location: Southern Oregon Points: 362 |
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It happens because under idle, you have the highest vacuum. The vacuum is pulling oil through the guild but, there is not enough air flow, to get it all into the combustion, until the throttle is opened. |
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Frank
1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8478 |
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I would have to do a little more research but I believe the SC type implements should have the SC type lift latches for safety. If the bottom SC joint would ever open and or release the plows would push up on the SC latches and release the plow from the tractor. Having it fastened tight might allow the plows to pivot around that point and end up on top of the driver. Now I am not in any way a expert on these, but I believe that is the design intent of the Allis SC (snap coupler) design. I believe you said your plows have been converted from a pin hitch to a SC. So that may have been the system used on the WD prior to the SC system. Hope others will chime in. I really like your 17! Mine is still in its work cloths and the wife said it really doesn't look good with these other painted tractors! Maybe a hint of another project in the works?? Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 03 Aug 2019 at 5:57pm |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Ok thanks
My Sparks plugs are autolite 303's and wires are 7mm with no boot covers on the plug side and they snap on but then are all loose after they "snap"? I'm not a motor head but an electrician and this doesn't seam good to me as a "good" electrical connection?( And it seams all 3 of my AC's are the same in this way...( I'm wondering if these are aftermarket plug wires that are loose because of not being specifically made for this application (is there specific diameter plug wires for certain plugs so they stay tighter after they fully snap down?) Or if they had the rubber boots where they snap onto the plug is that rubber what is supposed to hold them tighter? Any thoughts fellas appreciated, Thanks Matt Edited by Hunt4Allis - 04 Aug 2019 at 10:19pm |
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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I'm also replacing all battery connection s b/c after some looking they are all corroded and in need of some TLC, but the loose/ lack of rubber spark plug wires seem poor to me?
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Correct battery?( Seems too small physically, there's alot of room length wise in battery box holder)
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8478 |
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Matt,
Your doing good getting the electrical issues cleaned up. We used no rubber boot wires for years on WD series tractors. Dad would use a match book cover as a holder for the wire to allow the spark to jump and "clean the plug"! Just take a pair of pliers and squeeze the plug end a little till they fit tighter. Should be fine that way for a long time. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825 |
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This is why you don't use pins to attach to the lift arms, with a snap couple plow.
Use the proper lift latches, unless you have a real hard head. ![]() Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 05 Aug 2019 at 7:57am |
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Thanks Charley for posting the pic, I looked for this one and gave up. Yes is might happen with your plow setup. PLEASE change it!!!!!
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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IBWD MIke ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 4067 |
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Another thing that contributes to this but doesn't get talked about too much is the wear in the snap-coupler system. If you step on the drawbar and it goes down several inchs, that's not good. The edges of the snap coupler 'bell' and the support it is pinned to wear over time, my opinion, the sloppier the more likely it is to uncouple. The spring in there is another consideration, if you're in there, replace it. They are not that expensive. Using an implement that is snap-couple with pin-hitch lift links is a serious No-No. I'm sure a lot of farmers did it for years and got by. That pic CTucker posted is good evidence not to do it.
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Ok thanks Does a slightly loose spark plug wire on the spark plug end create running issues at all? |
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Hunt4Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Points: 1172 |
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Only reason I ask is because I don't have anything to compare it to to know the difference between right and wrong...
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8478 |
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Matt,
Loose plug wire shouldn't cause a serious problem. Assuming the plugs are good. Is it running rough? Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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Measure the length, width and height (including terminals) needed. Google "BCI Battery Sizes" and find the one that best fits. Ensure that the terminals are on the correct side. Between two different batteries of the same size, reserve capacity is more important than CCA. Don't get suckered into paying more for a battery with a long warranty as that warranty would probably only apply to truck and automobiles. Edited by DougS - 07 Aug 2019 at 8:30am |
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