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littlemarv 
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 Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 11:49am |
Walker: Popple is popple, I guess. Maybe its just spelled different depending on where you are? Its like a weed around here, pretty much everywhere. If you want it to be, its like a crop, like anything else, needs to be harvested once in a while. Back in 1895, a dapper young man by the name of Bruno Sommer bought 80 acres of popple trees from the railroad, cleared half of it, and built the Sommer family farm. The stuff grows, fast, gets rot, and falls over. May as well clean up the mess and have some fun doing it! "Wood ain't no good in the woods!" I wouldn't know what a quaking aspen was if I saw it, unless it was actually quaking.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 11:13am |
the electric motor helps with a nice safe lowering as well as raising. btw mine came with a guide for the cable in case you don't want to go directly down with it. I'm not using it... just informing.
either way, a pretty good assist for your superkid there, and should make it go easier and faster.
and like everyone else, I thank you for sharing the experience(s).
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 9:34am |
Junior has a hard time cranking the winch because its almost above his head. I suppose I would too. A guy at work wants to sell me that exact winch, he got it and never uses it. If I would mount the winch right on the back, run the cable down to the snatch block, and straight back up to a loop under the arch, I should be able to lift pretty much anything that fits under the arch. And the remote is a big plus. It doesn't look like it, but there is a lot of force involved with dead lifting logs like this. Those two oak logs gotta go 500 pounds, so a whole pile of popple should be no problem. In the video I realize we forgot to chain up the front of the logs. I need to add some grab hooks for chains and add them front and rear, so the logs aren't hanging from the winch during transport.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 7:55am |
very, very nice.
I got the middle one below at Harbor Freight for my flatbed, but instead installed it temporarily in my small workshop as an overhead lift. works excellent holding 8N hood up and out of the way, but would it handle your heavier loads??? the wireless remote is very handy... and safer in case of a broken line whip back.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 6:09am |
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Marv looks like the BIG snow missed you, LOVE your videos. Jr will remember this time spent with you for the rest of his life.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 12:58am |
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Is popple poplar? Is it a mix? Some of the logs look like Quaking Aspen just curious.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 11:39pm |
Junior has been feeling a little left out. But when I am loading logs with the crane onto the wagon and trailer, he just can't be around. One slip of the chain, one blown hydraulic hose, one slip off the clutch pedal, all spell disaster. But he sure likes to help, and its good for him to be outside and active in the fresh air. If only there was some way he could help, and up production at the same time............. Hmmmm. I've always wanted a log arch.... Oh great, here we go again! Someone at work replaced the front hubs on his pickup recently, and lucky for me, he never throws anything out either. Talked to the scrap man at work, and after a quick dip in the steel dumpster, came out with all the steel I need for construction. Got some 4" square tubing, and some frame rail. Got two rims and tires pretty cheap from the junkyard. The reason I bolted the rims on backwards is for clearance on the legs. But even with them bolted on backwards, there still isn't much material sticking out to work with. Anyways, now I can finish my calculations, now that I have the tire height. So here is my master plan. Note: it is not to scale, the geometry is sketchy at best, and half the measurements got changed on the fly... Four cuts of 22 1/2 degrees should get around a 90 degree corner, and make some 45 degree angles for strength as well. Made a pattern and laid out all the cuts. Took the steel to a machine shop to have it cut. Laid it all out, looks like my angles are good. Added a little material to the pieces of framerail to get it out past the tires. Laid the arch out on the floor, tacked it all the way around, and welded it tight. Turned out pretty good. Before I welded the hitch together, I tacked a couple of 3/8" bolts into place for mounting the winch. Fabricated a tongue. Laid out the hitch and welded it up. Picked up a boat winch, I had the cable and hooks and a snatchblock already. So today we went and tried it out. We don't have any popple logs laying at this exact moment, but lucky for us, Grandpa Marvin has a load of oak logs sitting in his yard. Rolled a couple out to where we can get at them. Works pretty slick. This arch has room for about 6' from the back to the hitch, so it should handle 12' logs. Off he goes. Here is a video Put things back where you found them! So, I am very pleased with how the arch turned out. Its not quite done yet, I have a few ideas to try out now that I know it works. And I need to weld on some grab hooks and some loops for attaching hooks and chains and we should be in business. Already thinking cheap electric winch too. Fired up the WD, broke a trail down to the corner of the field, where we will be cutting next. The rearview mirror looked like this And, of course, we had to switch spots. We have had it pretty good weather wise lately. Supposed to fall back into the single digits this week, we will see what February brings. Thanks for looking!
Edited by littlemarv - 27 Jan 2018 at 11:42pm
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 11:56am |
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I'm glad I painted the toolbox, cause I don't think I'll ever take it off! Just a note, there are large brackets under it, it's not just bolted to the frame.
The lights I got from work, $50 a piece but worth every penny. I bolted them to old CB antenna magnets, so they go wherever I need light. I just had them on the back this time. When going through the woods I put one up.front and one out back. But working out in the open, the old 6 volts up front were enough. We only got about 6" of snow, but lots of rain yesterday.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 11:37am |
How come you don't have a set of those lights on the front end? Where'd you get them? We got over an inch of rain down here and a smattering of snow. Made for some HEAVY slush to shovel.  ..Glad we got it though, every little bit helps! Too bad the ground was so frozen though, all the rain just ran off.  What'd you get up there, about 10"?
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 9:22am |
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I really love the giant plywood toolbox. I believe I'll be stealing that idea! :-)
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Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 9:02pm |
Well, we did get the snow and rain today. Nice wet packy stuff. So, we found one more use for those LEDs. The kids have their own brick makers. I repurposed the recycling bin to make a Pa sized brick maker. Kids are pretty industrious when they want to be.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 5:32pm |
Cleaned up the rest of the field on Saturday afternoon, as we are expecting some freezing rain and snow. Got started around 2 P.M. Took one load home, stopped for supper, then out for some nighttime work! Wish I had something more exciting to report, but here is the monotonous part, load after load. Slowly but surely. Those 4" square LED's sure do light up the night. The garden tractor battery kept them burning brightly for over 4 hours.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 4:53pm |
Great post! Like that New Idea running gear. Always liked they way they look. Jim
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Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 7:17am |
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Always fun to read your posts. Looks like good/hard work.
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Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 8:43am |
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If you are concerned about how much weight you're putting on the trailer there is a small book published that will tell you how many board feet you have in your log then multiply the board feet times 8 lbs. That will get you real close on the weight.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 10:06pm |
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I vote putting a loader on the tractor with forks! great pics and story, keep it coming!
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Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 9:31pm |
loved it all... except " Once the pile gets higher, I may actually have to roll or push the logs up the ramps."even without the cold and slippery that sounds dangerous. I vote for limiting the height to level and letting the pile spread horizontally. or starting a second pile. or whatever else you come up with that keeps gravity as your friend not your enemy.
looking forward to the next episode.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 9:02pm |
Well, the logging operation got suspended due to Christmas, New Years, and extreme cold. Today I managed to get a couple hours to myself, and it warmed up to like 8 degrees! Time to get back to work. We had dropped a bunch and skidded them out to the field before Christmas break. I threw the battery charger on the WD when I got up to dads, and took the Gator up to check them out. Swept all the snow off them, knocked them loose with a sledgehammer. The WD fired right up in the cold, but snubbed off when I let the clutch out. Fired it back up, held the clutch down for a minute, and let the clutch out real slow, must have been the hydraulic pump that was dragging it down. Worked the lift arms a few cycles, everything works O.K. Wasn't sure if it would, its been below zero for the last two weeks. Just took the wagon up today, it was late afternoon by the time I got up there. Pretty easy to get a nice load when you are working with the big end of the tree! I have been struggling with unloading the wagon and the trailer. When we originally started this project, we were going to make the pile in an open field near the road, where we would have plenty of room to turn around, and get at both sides of the pile. Then Pa piped up and said the pile had to go behind the old barn foundation, next to the trail, near his firewood pile. I screeched a little bit, but, his land, his rules, I guess. SO, I have been: pulling the logs off by hand (back breaking, finger smashing, sweaty process) using the gator to pull them off (only works on one end of the pile) Using the gator and a snatch block and cable to pull the logs off using the WD as an anchor (time consuming pain in the ass that didn't work that well and conveniently didn't get pictures of) The very first load, I used ramps, but they kept falling off. I have been thinking on this unloading process for awhile, and decided to get back to basics. Simpler is better, remember. Put some eye bolts in my ramps, and ratchet strapped them tight to the wheels. I think I may be on to something here. I unloaded the wagon by myself with no sweating or swearing! Now this is progress! Once the pile gets higher, I may actually have to roll or push the logs up the ramps, but they aren't the worst to work with. So, the pile of bolts is on the left, and the pulpwood goes on the right. We shall see how the piles progress. Even got to take in a beautiful late afternoon sky on a cold day. Pondered the wonders of nature a minute, then walked in the nice warm house, where Grandpa Marvin had pork chops, potatoes, and corn ready and waiting. A good afternoon indeed.
Edited by littlemarv - 06 Jan 2018 at 9:21pm
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Posted: 13 Dec 2017 at 9:58pm |
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dang, what gorgeous pictures! thanks!
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Posted: 13 Dec 2017 at 9:39pm |
Have a little vacation to use up by the end of the year, so took today off. Got four loads. 
Grandpa Marvin even got in on the action and helped me unload.
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NICE!!! A good days work and it sure wears em out. LOL
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 9:36pm |
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I used to use an old propane tank hauler trailer. hooked chains around a pile of logs and raised them up with a winch, could back the trailer in where ever needed. I still have the trailer, might sell it!
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 9:22pm |
Due to the shortage of usable daylight, I broke down and bought a pair of 4" square LED lights. Hooked them up to a garden tractor battery and used them for a few hours the other night, should be good to go there. The battery just happens to just fit in the toolbox. I don't have the time to convert the WD to 12 volt right now. So, today Junior and I (and the dog) headed up to Grandpa Marvins for a few hours. Got the chains on. I went up to the end of the woods and fished out a trailer load of sticks. Uncle Eric showed up, and he and Carter got to work on laying down the next batch. With Carter running one end of the tape measure and clearing brush, they can really lay down the lumber! Goes pretty fast when you are on the edge of the woods and drop them into the open. I have to give big brother credit, he is excellent with the saw. I will stick to tractoring. Got the trailer load home. Carter jumped on the Gator, and we were unloaded in like 10 minutes. They slide right off onto the pile pretty slick. We will have to improvise once the pile gets higher. By the time this whole endeavor is finished, we will have it down to a science. After driving up and down the road once with the chains on, hauling loads with the truck is sounding better and better. Well, after 6 hours in the woods, lets check on the dog. And the boy? The only problem is, we left the woods and hammered home so we could just get to his Christmas concert in time. Probably not the best of planning by his Father. Oh well, thank God he didn't have a solo. More to come.....
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 12:48pm |
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I have to admit I finally watched the video. People must have been pretty tough back then. Hope the chain never breaks on that saw. Saw that happen once.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 10:58am |
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Marv,
Good thread! Be safe out there in the woods.
Great pictures as usual!
Regards,
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 7:49am |
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Littlemarv- please bundle up some excess energy and send it this way.......
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Posted: 10 Dec 2017 at 7:20am |
 Ted J wrote:
[QUOTE=IBWD MIke]Some day, (if I live long enough) I'm going to build one of those WD cranes. Don't particularly need one, just think they are cool. |
Well when you build one, build 2,,,,or 3,,,,,,or 4 or,,,,,,,,,,,,HOW may guys want one besides me?? Well, that might be a possibility. I'm sure the first one will be the hardest. Copies would be a piece of cake. Seems to me there are some plans around here for these things if I can find them. Edit; Ted, I make it to Wisconsin once in awhile. Might even be able to deliver.
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This thread needs a little russian ingenuity...
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We have a clevis with a grab hook that goes on the drawbar, can't pull any lower than that. We just chain up as tight as possible, that way, when the tractor moves forward, the log actually lifts a little.
The first thing I did with that farm crane was try and ease a tree out of the brush and into the field so we could cut it up. The front end went up in the air so fast I couldn't believe it. I said "Please Jesus, don't let this be the last thing I do." I know he heard me cause I was pretty much looking straight up at him. I thought for sure something broke when that front end crashed back to earth. Lesson learned.
I thought about a heat houser, but for a WD they are rear entry. I need a side entry with the crane on the back.
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Posted: 09 Dec 2017 at 7:12pm |
IBWD MIke wrote:
Some day, (if I live long enough) I'm going to build one of those WD cranes. Don't particularly need one, just think they are cool. |
Well when you build one, build 2,,,,or 3,,,,,,or 4 or,,,,,,,,,,,,HOW may guys want one besides me??
B26240 wrote:
When I was on the Fire Dept. about 30 years ago we got a
call of man pinned under tractor, it was a WD45 he was useing to skid
firewood. He was pulling from the lift arms and not the draw bar and
tractor flipted over backwards and pinned him mostly by the steering
wheel. When we got there he was still moaning some but did not appear
to be breathing. By the time we got tractor off him attemps to revive
him failed. Be careful. As for the comment about losing a arm with
the jammer winch I never heard of that happening but in those days there
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When my Uncle did that about 60 years ago, he got his pelvis in the way and crushed it. He was pulling UP HILL and using the rock arm and she flipped. A GOOD story about it afterwards, but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BE CAREFUL when PULLING!! Use the drawbar and connect as LOW AS YOU CAN!!!
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