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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41970 |
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R.W ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Location: Swanton, OH Points: 2975 |
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Looks like it might be a ruff ride!
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41970 |
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Found the picture of it and some other pictures of tractors on this link on facebook .
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everett048 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: uk Points: 619 |
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Howard rotoped drive system.Useing chains to pick up pads.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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Looks like a walking design. May not be as rough a ride as it looks.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6065 |
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Not rough-riding, it's just a variation on the tracklaying concept, just uses longer 'shoes' than what you'd expect on a track-type. The US-standard 'method' is to have several bogey wheels and short-plate 'tracks'... doing a track conversion with short tracks involved adding at least ONE additional wheel up front, and a series of wheels to distribute weight across the tracks.
This configuration didn't require all that- it basically just bolted on in place of the stock wheel. If you look closely, you'll see that the wheel is directly supporting the whole rearend weight of the tractor, and instead of having a 'tyre', it has cog-teeth that roll along the track plates. If you're working soft surfaces, you get the added surface-contact/lower surface pressure advantage, but I kinda doubt this conversion would've been 'happy' maneuvering around tight quarters, especially after the pins got worn. |
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Orange Blood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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I would think that the smaller roller chain would be prone to breaking and coming off ALL the time, since it runs in the mudd and rock???
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jnicol6600 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Location: Sullivan Co. IN Points: 174 |
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I've seen them on youtube pulling trenchers very slowly
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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I don't think the roller chain is supposed to be in the mud. The shoes are on the ground, that chain shouldn't touch the ground unless you bury the tractor in the mud and you would be in too deep to keep going.
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beeman ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Location: Alabama Points: 230 |
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I owned a Super Major back in the day and it was a diesel. Started alttle hard,but pulled good. Needed power steering ,unless you had something heavy on the 3pt. Always been somebody tryng to perfect the "half track" system for wheel tractors.
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JoeM(GA) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Cumming,GA Points: 4809 |
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Orange Blood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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A very good point, but if you look carefully in the first picture, the sprocket is exposed through the knuckle or joint of the track, and that may expose it to debris. Even the one on the floor still shows the chain through the joint. I don't know for sure, just a thought
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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Yes, watching the video, it does ride quite smoothly, wouldn't want to go too fast though!
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6065 |
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Hee hee... the small chain isn't really SUPPOSED to be in the mud, but regardless, it's gonna get dusty and dirty... the dusty-dirty 'level' for any tractor, is about three feet above the operator's head. The front edge 'rollers' and pins on those plates definately take a beating from dust and grit- no escaping that fact.
But the little chain doesn't 'drive' anything... the driving is done by the big cog teeth on the replacement 'wheel'. The little chain's job is to make the track segments pick up, and 'lay out' in a smooth fashion, so it's really not under a load. The big wheel rolls across the plate segments, they're picked up by the opposite plate, and pushed forward by the 'top' side of the big cog wheel, then laid down, and driven over again. My gut feeling here is that, even if that small chain was broken, it would still drive, but the plates would probably bang around pretty good... mebbie get bound up every so often, but not much more. It's a clever design, but there's probably a reason why it didn't take the world over and replace tires or short-plate crawler tracks. |
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SteveC(NS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Location: Nova Scotia Points: 663 |
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Fantastic! thanks coke for both the op AND the u-tube link!
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