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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IBWD MIke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 1:20pm
I still have the other block. Not going to use it. I would sell it though, and pretty reasonable at that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Norm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 7:47pm
Nice job!  Your safety wire looks good too...I'd let you work on my airplane, if I still had one.  I've been working on and inspecting aircraft for 40+ years and just now starting my first tractor restoration...an old 1950 Allis WD.




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Mike,
 The engine work looks great. And looks like the machining and mechanical work will be good for another 60 years! Are you going to restore the rest of the tractor too?
Love the 45's. I have a spare engine setting in the garage that is the opposite of your build. (its not together) But has a 45 block with WD head components.
I think your work is very good. Nice paint job too! Your attention to details shows!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IBWD MIke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 12:45pm
I don't really consider this a restoration. Just like to fix the things that are not right. Like leaking oil on the trailer when I go somewhere to plow. Someday I would like to get a fresh coat of paint on the whole thing complete with new decals.
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Time for another update. I rebuilt this engine at my house in town in the basement, it has a garage stall so getting it out wasn't hard. Getting it in the pick-up for the trip to the farm was another story. The uncle brought his 706 with cherry picker to town and loading was a breeze.

Getting ready to pull the engine started with a trip to the power washer.

Getting there.

The 6080 gets into the act.

I was hoping to get the engine back in and running today, (Monday). That didn't happen. Once we got the engine out all these other little things popped up. Alternator brackets, power steering needs work, changing the hand-clutch is going to be more time consuming than I thought but now is the time to address these problems. Should have more pics this weekend. Once I get the torque tube out it should be downhill from there, (I hope).

 

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None of it's hard....just takes time.You'll get there.
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It's all about that one bolt at a time thing. You are doing a fine job.
3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.

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I have not been keeping up with this but You are doing a great job. Real nice clear pictures also. Attention to the details shows.

I was able to stop the oil filter housing leaks by filling the hollow area with bondo and filing it flat on one. I also used a straight edged ruler and flat sanding disc with an angle die grinder on the block under the housing. I didn't do it to all of them like I should have. I know this would be for another time.

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Please continue posting pictures of the work as it progresses.  It gives noobs, such as myself, and idea of what to expect when we get to that stage of rebuilding.
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Thanks guys. The hard part of this is fighting the temptation. Really want to hear that new engine run. But, no better time to fix things than when it's already torn apart. I worked on the universal joint in the steering yesterday, new one is supposed to be here today. Also cherry picked parts for the reassembly. Changed the throw-out bearing, drained all the hydraulic oil and tranny grease. Torque tube is loose, ready for removal for the hand-clutch R&R. I will get pics of that, tractor will be down to the rear end, one frame rail and the front bolster.
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Time for another update. Haven't had time to post pics for a while.
This is where the tear-down finally ended.

A work bench is where you find it. Time to get that hand clutch out! This stumped me for a while. Was late in the day and I had forgot the manual in town. Did some cleaning and went home to read up, wasn't bad to tear down after reading the book.

Here's the new one at home. I don't know if I made every mistake possible but it had to be close. A very good feeling when it was finally in and right.

Another good feeling, torque-tube and bell housing back in place. Even got the gf to help.

The cherry picker was pretty handy, shed's not big enough to get the 6080 in and maneuver.
 
My modified alternator brackets, (new design, not proven yet)


This is what I'm replacing.


Faith-full helper,
 
Frame rail back on.

Had to take the flywheel off the old engine for the bolts. Glad I had one surfaced and ready to go. This one is headed for scrap, heat checks are clear through.


Pressure plate not real good either.

Time for a test fit. Couldn't get the input shaft to line up so had to quit for the day. It's amazing how much that can help. Also I didn't have a shaft to line up the clutch disc with the pilot bearing, figured my eyeballing must have been off. Stopped at a friends house to make one. He says, I've got a universal set. Turned out he had a shaft out of a WD as well as several others. (He's a hard core IH guy). To my surprise, my eyeballing was dead-nuts. Just needed to turn the shaft to get it to go.

In place.

This was toward the end of the day, got a little more done after the last pic.

Biggest snag hit today was the crankshaft pulley. It's got the char-lynn add on and it's loose. Shouldn't be too bad to fix but it's not going to run til it is.


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I love re-building engines. Great fun, most of the time. Only thing it takes a LOT of $$$ to do it right. Cry
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Update time again. I got this thing running about a month ago, finally shot a start-up video. Time to post things seems to be at a premium these days.

This is my first attempt at posting video so bear with me if it doesn't work.
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Video works! That thing sounds nice, you've really done some good work on that motor!
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Nice job!  You did it right!
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I thoroughly enjoyed this whole thread. Thanks for posting!

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Now that I've got this thing running I need to find a little work for it for break-in. I do like the way it runs. Also the new clutch is way smoother than the old one. All the heat checks were probably responsible for that. The hand clutch is smooth as silk now too. I set it up on the bench according to the book, being the first one I've done the results were great.
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Mike,
Nice job on the rebuild and the documentation! Someday I will have to tackle a engine and drive line update on one of these too!
Regards,
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Chris, I just wish I had your skill with a paint gun and the patience for the prep.

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Very nice job! Video worked great. Very impressed how well it started & smooth running. You did it right.
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Any friends have a pull type brush cutter?
Great for break-in as you can easily regulate the work on the engine by changing travel gears for cutting, plus cutting height to help her grunt more. Also gives you a chance to check everything else out on pto. Broke a D12 in like this and used an A-C 3-pt. 5' cutter; watched temp and oil pressure while slowly increasing load over 30-45 minutes. Cooled her slowly, dropped oil/filter and put her right back to work gradually and kept her nice and warm while regulating the load for a solid eight hours. Working the lift arms (no top link used) also gave me a chance to check the hydraulics and that fluid was also changed after a couple of days use.
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Tim, that's a good idea. I have a snap-couple woods mower. Problem is the gear box leaks like a sieve. I have it out of the mower and partially torn apart but can't get the shaft with the seal on it out. Have the new seal and bearings. Need insight on how to get it apart. I have thought about heating it, not sure if that is the right thing to do or not.

Today I put some thread sealer on the power steering resivour stud. Hopefully that will seal it up. I think that is my last oil leak.
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Mike,
 I just was directed to this thread from googling WD45 hand clutch. It is a good thread that covers a lot of what I am currently doing with my old WD 45 right now. (Well in the future:))  Just wanted to check and see how the tractor is running? I am going to have the hand clutch out in the near future,, At least for inspection? 
Basically I am pulling the torque tube assembly at some point to replace the three seals, to keep tranny oil and hydraulic oil separated. Since I haven't done any of this any hints would be appreciated too! 
I will be rebuilding the 45 engine also, so this thread will help too! Hope it runs as good as it looked when you installed it!
You did such a nice job of documenting your work!
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Chris, the tractor runs great! Try to use it as much as possible, though the wide front and the CA have to have time to play also.

On the torque-tube; the one in this thread had a good seal area on the shaft. Got new seals from the farm store, pretty straight forward changing them. The seals have to face the chamber they are sealing. On the wide front when I went through the torque-tube I couldn't find a good original shaft. The one I used had the repair sleeve on it which is no bad thing. However the seal that it takes is hard to find. Reede at the farm store dug one up, think he said it was the last one?? If you need one you might check with Sandy Lake. The small seal on the shifter  is available.

I wish I would have taken the time to clean and paint the tt and the bellhousing while I had it apart.




One thing time and experience showed me is that going through the timing cover would have been a good thing. It drips a very small amount of oil from the throttle shaft area. It's not a big deal, just annoying. Would be impractical to pull the cover and fix it. Maybe someone who has went through one could shed some light on how to seal one up?

Any other questions, just ask, I'll answer the best I can. Maybe someone more experienced will chime in, Mike.

I'm surprised that the pics show up! Good old Photo Bucket! Haven't done anything with them since they held us for ransom!!!


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Mike,
 Have found that all my photos that were held for ransom by Photobucket are working again too. They have not attempted to bill me yet either. Yea you have good pictures of your WD 45 tractor repairs! Splitting and engine work! It will inspire others. One of the reasons I wanted to bring it back to the top too!
I enjoy repairing the things that need it, then daubing on some paint. My tractors don't do much work, they are pretty much retired like me!:)
Stay warm!

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Baum Hydraulics at Omaha has a great selection of seals listed by size and type in their downloadable catalog section R. The downloadable catalog sections .pdf search much better than their web site.

http://www.baumhydraulics.com

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Mike, I'm not seeing the video you mention....would love to hear that baby running! Any chance you could re-post the video? I've enjoyed reading your thread very much....really nice work!

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Dave, when you click on the video link it takes you to photobucket and promptly dies. Looked on my camera and apparently I deleted it. Might still be on the old computer. I'll look this weekend. 
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Thanks, Mike. That was exactly the experience I had! Appreciate your looking for it - I, like many others on this Forum, really enjoy hearing the old girls running!

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Dave, I found the video and another of the initial start-up on the old computer. However when I imported them all I got was a still picture, will keep trying.
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