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    Posted: 11 Dec 2010 at 5:23pm
Went to look at a WD today that I located on Craigslist.  Guy wanted $900, non-running, missing distributor cap and wires (stolen he said),  He said it was running about 7 months ago.  Most of the metal was straight, but very little paint was on it (rusty).  The steering was loose feeling to me (are there gear box adjustments to take up slack?).  Tires held air but very worn and dry rotted.  Rear rims looked bad.  It did have a WF, which he said was very rare and worth a lot of money by its self.  I told him I would think on it and as I was leaving he said "you really interested, shoot me a price".  I declined.  What do you guys think?

1. Are WF's really rare on a WD?
2. What should the steering feel like when turning steering wheel when tractor is not moving?
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I know that Wide fronts on a WD are not that uncommon, they are not rare by any means.  I would say no more than 500 hundred for a non running tractor.  If someone stole the wires they didn't get much as most don't have any copper in them anymore.  Tires are going to cost you more than ~900 dollars for new ones, good used ones are hard to find as every one wants them.  Don't trust anyone who says it ran yesterday,last week, last year.  What kind of person would rather take several hundred dollar loss instead of spending 50 dollars to get it running.  They are typically lying, lazy, or hiding something which in all three cases makes me leary.  
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My brother bought a wd about a month ago for $150. He got 1 good rim with it and the tractor ran. I wouild say $300. max.
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I bought a parts one for $400 about two months ago.  One good rear rim, one bad.  Both rear tires and front tires flat and shot.   He told me it ran 8 years ago, but it was tighter then tight when I tried the handcrank.     Around here, you could take it in for scrap and get close to $400, so that's what I offered him.   I took off everything that was good on it which including splitting it all apart and taking the hand clutch out, hydraulic pump etc., and then scrapped the rest.  
In your scenario, you can check to see if it's loose with a handcrank, and if it doesn't have one, a pipewrench.   If it's loose, you have a 50/50 shot of the engine being ok.  Or you could work your butt off trying to get it running only to find out if smokes like crazy and needs to be rebuilt or has a knock and needs to be rebuilt.   Either way, $$ are in your future.  Also look really close around the manifold to see if it's still good, and that the manifold hasn't been leaking for sometime.  If it has been, chances are the head face can be pitted and will need to be machined true again so everything seals up.  Not a big deal, but work which will include pulling the head, milling it, new headgasket etc.  Check the handclutch lever to see if it snaps in and out fairly good.  If not, that might need work also   And needless to say, you can't drive it to check on brakes, tranny, hand clutch issues, so essentially you are buying a parts tractor that you may be able to make a runner again.  Sometimes you luck out, sometimes you don't.   Rear tires new can get close to 600-700.   Rear rims can be found.  I just sold the good one I had for $60, sometimes they go for more.
As far as the wide front, is it a 3 bolt or four bolt?   The three bolt has three bolts on the front that attaches the front pivot to the bolster, four bolts had a wider bracket that was upgraded and I think came on WD45's.   Four bolts were better but are not original to a WD if you're going to restore it, and the correct police come out.   If the wide front is in good shape, it can bring 300-500 by itself. 
If you want it, go for it.   But go for it, with the understanding that you are buying a project.   If it's a tractor you are going to use for sometime, no big deal and the time and money will be worth it in the use you get out of it.  If it's something you're thinking of fixing and making a buck on, forget it.   Good running WD's around here are lucky to be fetching 1000-1500 at the most in this poor market.
 
If it were me, based on what you stated and the wide front was in good shape, 5-600 at most.   At least in that scenerio, if you get into it and find out it is a complete can of worms and you loose interest and heart, you should be able to break even on parts that you can sell once you're done.  
It is interesting sometimes that some people do not want to put the extra effort into getting something running to try and bring more money out of it.   Would definately make me extra leary and would make me look over it a little more.     
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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It's a project, or parts tractor from the description.   Without seeing it, I'd say 300$ tops as well.  WD's are all over the place.  Wide front is nothing special.  He said make an offer, don't feel bad to low ball him, you can always raise your offer, hard to go back down.
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my dad sold one like this for $150, not too many years ago. to steal a cap and wires. you would have to be real hard up. Sometimes you get more for a non running tractor than one with engine noises. Rubber is what make the old tractor worth money.
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Im picking up a WD45 this weekend....3 bolt WF(I think 4 bolts were later years whent he 45 Diesel came out to take the extra weight). Fenders and tins are decent, rear rims and tires are good, snap coupler with hitch, has the rock clutch, and a Freeman loader for 250.00....gives you and idea what you're looking at...only downfall is the engine is out of this guy....had the head redone and never put back together.
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I appreciate all the replies and advice.  I wanted to post a couple of pictures of it.  The sickle mower on back is junk.  The steering feels loose.  How much play should be in the steering wheel?  It does have one rear wheel weight.





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As for the loose steering look at the u-joint between the right frame rail and the engine,joint probly bad and also loose on shaft. can also be wear every other place tierod ends, gearbox etc.
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Looks to be some type of aftermarket front end, not an AC one.  A factory one wouldn't stick out that far from the front of the tractor.   Looks like an F & H weight on the one side.   If you buy it, see if he has the other one, so at least you can sell them as a set if you need to. 

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Never thought about the front end being non-factory.  Maybe that is why the steering feels a little strange.  Here is a better picture of it.


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If it were me I'd hold out for a better one with less aftermarket goodies. For the price he's askin you should be able to buy a pretty good wd.
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I've got a couple of runners I would sell for $900. That tractor is parts or scrap at best. Probably $300 to $400 as the others have said.
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I have to agree with John after looking at the pictures.   It would be worth more if it was a factory wide front but it isn't.  $400 would be might top dollar and I would have a hardtime working up to that!
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Thanks to everyone for the advise.  Think I will pass on this one and look for a better example to buy.

My hopes are to find a roto-baler and do a little old fashion farming!
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