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Bill Long
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Topic: How to plow snowPosted: 13 Feb 2011 at 8:43pm |
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In Maryland - last year was the exception - we usually don't get an awful lot of snow. Twelve inches in Maryland at one time is a lot and usually that melts before another snow falls. With that in mind the B was an excellent snow plowing tractor. We mounted a myers front mounted blade on them - there were steel beams that braced the front hitch running all the way back to the drawbar. Lift was made by a cable from the rear tool bar to the front running. An excellent arrangement. Worked very well. Usually we had loaded rear and if rather new loaded front tires. Usually - unless it was very heavy snow - there was not a need for chains. In fact we sold very few sets of chains for B's.
Stay with the plow in the front. By not running over the snow first it is not packed down and harder to move. Also, on your first plow furrow especially on long roads make your push rather wide so there will be room to push any additional snow. Also, it is hard to look at an implement on the rear.
Suggestions above are great for other parts of the country where there are more frequent and deeper snows.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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swit
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 5:29am |
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steve my frame goes under back to front I get about 10in of lift for the most part it hasnt been a problem when i go into these huge drifts to back blade some of the snow out i do wish i could get more height.i guess the bottom line it just takes me longer.but plowing generally im not in a hurry i enjoy being out side
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:36pm |
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if i build a frame, im wondering if i can run a couple 4 inch channles under the axle and attach to the blade, or wopuld it be better to go over the wheels and make more of a loader frame that can lift the blade up a couple feet higher. ??
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swit
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 5:45pm |
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I push with a front blade on my B this last storm i really had to work it hard 12in of snow with 4ft drifts i have a very long drive once i get thru it were good to go that first pass was tough I have very aggressive chains on it the type with the twisted links plus about 600 pouunds of weights if it wasnt for the drifts i walk right thru no problems ive pushed as much as 14in im not saying it was easy but that B just gets it done my brother even committed how well it does for alittle tractor of course i flipped him off for calling it little
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Leon B MO
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 4:39pm |
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The plow itself is only 1/8 steel and guessing 20" tall, it's not that heavy. Two guys could load the whole thing on a truck.
Leon B MO
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Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 4:26pm |
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on the chains, maybe two corresponding straps coupld be pinched together and linked, then on to the next two and pinch them together.. so you get a bunch of X patterns similar to Leon... also leon, i would be interested in how tall is the front blade, and is it 1/4 inch thick or more? Im wondering about the weight on front and counter weight needed.
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Leon B MO
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 4:20pm |
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These chains were made for 14.9 x 28 tires but I cut the length to fit the 12.4's and before next winter I'll cut the width down to fit the 12.4's better. I made them out of chain stock from Lowes.
The gauge wheels came off my belly mower( I don't think I'll need them on there for awhile). I can ajust the height so I can go from carrying the plow on the gravel to scrapping the concrete on the road. Those work much better than the skids, they would dig into the gravel and on the next pass the gravel would be in the pushed snow.
To take it off all I need to do is pull the two pins. This is the first year I used this blade on a CA, it was on a 53 WD last year. I will have chains on the inner tires next year and more weights or a blade on the back. This last snow we had was hard to judge by because of the inch of ice underneath and the sleet mixed in. The plow is 7'6", just wide enough to clear the dauls when the plow is set in the middle angle position. for one or two snows a year, it would not be worth all the effort to put this together. But I had the time and the plow so what the heck.
Leon B MO
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 4:15pm |
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Brian, looks like they would do some good. My experience with those kind of chains was with a different tread design. The tires had a flatter angle for the tread and the chains went all the way down between the lugs so no part of the chain contacted the ground.
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roughstock
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 2:13pm |
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Here is how mine fit. They do fall between the lugs but it is night and day without them. The only time I get wheel slip is when I am pushed up to the snowbank. I bought the set for just under $100 at an auction if my memory serve me right.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:50pm |
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The chains that just run straight across are a waste of time to put on IMO. The chain will drop down between the tire lugs and become useless. The x pattern chains are great, but you won't want to drive down the road with them on.
Your rear blade would be the perfect partner for a front blade on the same tractor. Use the front blade to bet through the heavy stuff and the back blade acts as counter weight. Once the biggest part of the mess is pushed away, you can use the back blade to clean up with. It has worked great for me with the 45 for several years now. The only problem is the entire unit is longer with both blades on at the same time making turning and storing a little different. |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 1:21pm |
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there seems to be a dozen different designs for tire chains. some are just strap chains over the lugs. some cross or do an x patter. some have little VEE or X lugs on them.. What really works or is "any" type chain better than rubber tire lugs. Cost varies drastically and i would like to get economy, but good working chains ????
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RMD
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:36am |
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With any of the B/C/CA or D10/12 tractors and a front blade it is important that the thrust loads on the blade be carried back to the final drives without putting load on the torque tube.
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oldironguy
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:05am |
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One of the great advantages of a loader with a bucket or blade on it is that the laoder hyeraulics can be used to get the tractor unstuck. Front mounted blowers or frame mounted blades let you get into places where it is very difficult to back out. When the drifts and piles are tall I often roll the bucket all the way forward, drop it to the ground and roll the bucket back to use the bucket to push the tractor back out of a drift. Can't do that with a frame mounted blade or blower.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 9:12am |
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Up until last winter, I cleared snow with a wheelhorse with a front mount snow blower and tire chains. My problem with snowblowers is they seem to only work with the following conditions, fluffy snow, no wind, no more than 8 inches, and no packed snow on the ground. Any deviation from these and it was a pain removing snow. So last winter I bought my WD. I plowed with a seven foot blade. I had to make short and small passes since my tires would spin with minimal pushing. This year I bought tire chains. i have no extra weight on the back and now you cant stop her.
So my advice is a front mounted blade with tire chains. Also, don't go crazy with your blade width. I would keep the blade slightly wider than your rear tire width. Since you have a back blade to clear the roll off snow, an angled front blade is not a necessity. Just my opinion. Brian |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:42am |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:41am |
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Big heavy 6 ft blade i inherited from father in law. WAs on a D17, 15 years ago. Had to modify the blade mount for the short tractor.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:38am |
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This is my little IB, home made 3 point, bought arms at Farm store for 8N. THe main part is a 4 x 4 angle 3/8 inch thick between final drives. arms and cylinder mount to that. Trouble is getting a cylinder to fit. I had to make a huge arm to rotate the rock shaft which i made. This is a CA cylinder.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 8:20am |
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This is what I use. Just walked through 18" yesterday with no problem.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 7:16am |
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I use a WD with chains and a 7 foot 3 point blade.
1/2 mile driveway. Been using it for 20 years.
I don't backblade much, just at the ends of the drive.
Gets interesting sometimes with deep snow and ice because one section is on a steep grade that has a 15' drop on each side. The chains keep my britches cleaner on that hill when it's icy.
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SteveC(NS)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 6:46am |
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I've blown snow with my B and my CA, the problem I find (aside from a sore neck) is that reverse is too fast. With the CA I can use the hand clutch to let the blower clear it's throat but if the snows real deep I have trouble getting moving again (I need chains) so I pull forward while lifting the blower and then get a bit of a run at it while I drop the blower again.
Plans for spring and summer are front mount the blower.
I've used the loader on the B but with 300' of driveway and a 150' x 200' parking lot I prefer the blower.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 6:05am |
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Leon,
Can you post some close up picture's of your conversion from Meyers truck mount to tractor mount. I think that's the wat to go too, can convert back to bucket when you have to stack snow.
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Danny
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 5:41am |
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I use my B with a 3 piont conversion and a 5' blade. It works ok for up to about 8" of powdery snow. would be better if I had rear weights or filled the tires. Bill B ![]() |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 5:32am |
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Steve,
I sure would like to see a good picture of the rear blade set up on the IB, and how the lift is set up.
Bill B
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 5:10am |
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Klinemar..
There is a 9 footer for sale in Higgins Lake http://nmi.craigslist.org/for/2142657846.html And I saw a 10 footer for sale that is on a big dump truck on Craigs also but can't find it this AM. Truck had a belly plow under it too. I think they wanted to sell the front plow. Try snow plow Northern Michigan |
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 11:31pm |
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sounds like front blade, rear weight, and chains are all agreed upon. rear three point can be another blade, or to hold weights ?
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 9:36pm |
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Leon has my idea that I was going to post.I use the 7060 with an 8ft. rear blade but when the snow gets deep I bring out my 185 with 500 loader and 7ft. snow bucket and tire chains and then I move snow.I am looking for a commercial 9or 10ft. plow to put on the front of the 7060 so I have a heated cab but have not been able to find one at my price.A front mounted plow works a lot better in deep snow because you can back away from a drift and then push off either side to widen and you do not get a crooked neck from backing up plowing.Tire chains and weight are a must to move any deep snow.Neighbor has a B with a front mounted straight blade he has owned for thirty years and plows his driveway every year.The tractor used to be a hand crank until it broke his arm.
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Leon B MO
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 8:55pm |
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Here is what I used this winter. I used an old Meyer plow, made brackets to mount to the factory loader. I also have chains on the duals, a must for the ice we had this year. Next year I will have chains on the inside tires as well and some more weight on the rear. My biggest problem is I seem to forget that the CA is only 25hp, I think at times it should push more, but this last snow we had was a foot of heavy snow and sleet mixed in. Inplace of the origanal skids I put the gauge wheels from my belly mower, now the plow rides over the gravel instead of digging in. I can also change the height of the gauge wheels. It did a good job, granted not as nimble as a skid-steer but it got the job done.
Leon B MO
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 8:52pm |
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Everyone has their opinion, so here's mine.
I used my D-14 with rear blade for 4-5 winters.Yup, neck gets sore going backwards! it helps to flip the rears left onto right,right onto left to get more traction cause yer always going backwards.
This year I haven't used it once.Instead I've got a 42" snowblower mounted on a riding lawntractor.Since most of our snow has been light and fluffy, it blows real well and it's gone away,far ,far away !
The problem with blades is that if you don't get it pushed out of your way the first time, it's a real bear if not impossible to move the 2nd,3rd,4th,....time !
I've got a lot of obstacles around the shop plus 200' of 'driveways' to do.
Currently I'm looking for a 48" blower / hydrostatic garden tractor combo for next year...
..if I'm real lucky, I hope to find a 7-8' 2 stage unit to adapt to the Gleaner I recently bought.
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