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 Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 9:51am |
 GM Guy wrote:
squirt the sealed bearings with a teflon infused penetrating oil. If the bearings are not shot, dont replace them. most bearings on these old girls are not under heavy load and can last forever if kept clean and lubed. modern replacements are usually not as good of quality.
Make sure and remove the cleanout covers if storing outside, and blow EVERYTHING off, any crop residue holds moisture and rots things quickly.
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I'm not far at all from Clay. Schmidt and Sons must be one of the best AGCO dealers in the world for covering the older stuff. We are lucky they are so close.
Covers are all opened. I still have a mess in the raddle but everything else has been cleaned out and left open.
Thanks for those tips on the bearings. What if the bearing is totally gone?  Unfortunately I for sure have one that needs to be replaced. I missed it when I looked the combine over in the dark barn, but it wouldn't have changed what I paid for it. I'll have to build the shaft up or see if the one in the parts combine is still good.
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wjohn
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Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 9:55am |
ac fleet wrote:
Mine would start as soon as you hit the key! Hot or cold. Carb plugged a few times but no biggie. I found they needed to be choked just the right amount of time then go to half choke and after a few seconds of warmup they ready to go. Mine didnt have many acres ever run thru it before I got it from the looks of it. Any I sold it to a friend who used for many years after that and he too liked it. Just stay out of the foxtail!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Thanks for the tip on the choke. I don't have that down yet but I can tell there is some magical combination that lets it start. It could still be that the ignition needs gone through better or the rings are just worn out, but even with a fresh carb teardown and cleanout, this was the most finicky starting gas engine I've maybe every touched.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 10:01am |
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not good in soybeans. Can custom hire someone with a draper header and get beans combined for 0$$$$ compared to cutting them with a C2! |
I don't think I'd ever get a custom combiner into my 20 acres at a decent time, or maybe ever. Custom hay is just as bad here. You have to do it yourself or you're waiting until months after the time was right.
They also probably can't turn those huge headers around in half of my little fields. Ha!
I am curious how much loss I will have in soybeans with this rig.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 10:17am |
does corn head have flat chain or roller chain?
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Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 11:05am |
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been loss was not bad on mine. Ya in todays world you bout gotta do everything yourself if you dont have a million acres! I used to enjoy my little 137 acres. Had to go with crp since the crop inputs were getting so costly and that was the best move ever! NOW I can enjoy the farm again!
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 23 Jun 2024 at 1:24pm |
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Cut beans with 4 cylinder bars and use the small sprocket on the cylinder beater. That's how I ran my A2 for 19 yrs. Had welded bars and would eat anything green....just better keep an eye on the chopper after a big bite of trash.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 8:41pm |
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Cut beans with 4 cylinder bars and use the small sprocket on the cylinder beater. That's how I ran my A2 for 19 yrs. Had welded bars and would eat anything green....just better keep an eye on the chopper after a big bite of trash. |
I do have to look into the beater sprockets still. I keep forgetting to get a tooth count on mine to see what I have, but out here in wheat country, it may not be setup for what is ideal for soybeans. Maybe AGCO still has some of those and the cylinder speed sprockets available if I'm lucky. I hope I can make the 800 RPM slowest speed out of the belt drive cylinder setup work for beans, but it might be good to have the slowdown sprockets and chain setup in my back pocket. It gets awfully hot and dry out here.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2024 at 11:29pm |
I've been making progress on the CII since the weather has stayed warm enough to work outside. There had been an intermittent lurching when you drove it. After pulling the trans brake drum, it was packed full of wheat and fluffier stuff. I am guessing it was enough to engage the pads to the drum just slightly now and then. I have the axle shafts pulled off and am going to inspect the steering brakes just to be sure they're fine.
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Posted: 24 Dec 2024 at 10:17am |
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I don't think 800rpm will be slow enough for soys. 5-600 takes care of most beans. I think the lurching is design thing. A lot of connections in the drive line.
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Posted: 24 Dec 2024 at 7:00pm |
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I don't think 800rpm will be slow enough for soys. 5-600 takes care of most beans. I think the lurching is design thing. A lot of connections in the drive line. |
The manual says to use 800 RPM on them, but I am suspicious that AC stated that mostly because 800 was the slowest you could run with the cylinder belt drive setup that was on the CIIs. To go slower you had to swap on a chain drive with the sprockets you wanted. Not sure if any of the AIIs had belt drive cylinders, so they may have all started off with sprockets and then you could change out easily for slower speeds?
The lurching was really bad - put it in first gear, let off the clutch, and it would just lurch over and over again even if you were going up a hill (constant loading on shafts etc.). Granted, I haven't run any other old Gleaners, but it felt abnormal.
I decided to pull off the steering brake covers today and I'm glad I did. I decided that milo leaves were wrapping around the axle shaft and were just thin enough to get past the felt seal on the axle. Of course the cylinder must have been leaking too.
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Posted: 24 Dec 2024 at 11:49pm |
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My A2 had chain drive cyl. Had a small sprocket for wheat and a large one for corn/soys. Pretty sure I ran it in the 5-600 range.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2024 at 8:30am |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
My A2 had chain drive cyl. Had a small sprocket for wheat and a large one for corn/soys. Pretty sure I ran it in the 5-600 range. |
That sounds more like what I would expect. Hopefully the chain drive setup isn't too expensive to find.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2024 at 8:42am |
I noticed the false floor of the raddle was torn up in one of the rear corners. I think it was very slightly bent up which allowed the steel slats to ride on it as the wrapped around the drive sprockets. It seems like a good spot for something to catch and tear things up worse on a day when I'm trying to get wheat in, so I'd rather head that off. I debated trying to repair it in the machine but I'm glad I didn't - I would've driven myself nuts trying to weld the paper thin metal inside the combine, and then I found a couple more cracks along the bends for the sides.
I know the book says to pull the false floor out the front but I pulled it out the back since I have the separator beater and straw walkers already out. It seemed easier since the header is still on.
It also looks like the one idler had been locked up for a while even when the machine was still in use by the previous owner, as it's worn down. Thankfully you can still buy these new.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2024 at 2:38pm |
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My welding shop rolled new ends and welded them on on both my A2 and F2.
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Posted: 13 Mar 2025 at 11:46pm |
Got the parts combine that came with the running one home today. I had pulled the axle couplings for the flat tow, but the steering brakes didn't work and the thing rolled way easier than anyone expected. So, after the scariest 30 seconds of my life with the combine blasting down a hill and steering that takes 2 spins of doing nothing and then all of a sudden turns the wheels, I reconnected the shafts and the trans brake at least worked even if we were backdriving the transmission for 5-6 miles.
This one is a 19XXX serial number and the air cleaner and other loose parts I found nearby indicate it was a diesel (engine long gone). That must have been a closer to end of production, top of the line Gleaner back in the day and I have to assume it was on the custom cutter circuit when it was new. Then the G replaced it in the lineup if I recall correctly. Lots of parts are worn out but I should be able to pick enough good stuff to cut down on my impending parts order with AGCO.
The cab seems decent too but not sure it's worth going to the trouble of swapping it over to the running combine any time soon.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2025 at 7:04am |
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I have some Gleaner brake shoes, brake linings, many sprockets and a couple C wiring harnesses left in my NOS parts. However I don't have any Gleaner parts books to verify what fits what. Given specific sizes or tooth/chain size I could see if there's anything that matches some ones needs.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY
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Posted: 18 Mar 2025 at 10:02pm |
I was pulling things off of the parts combine tonight and noticed an entire linkage and knob that is not on my running combine. I followed it down and it goes into the side of the transmission, and the transmission has a larger extra case bolted onto it compared to my running combine. Is this some sort of high/low gearbox? I couldn't find any mention of it in my Gleaner literature, but this is a later serial number machine so my books might be too old. Parts combine with larger case and extra shifter knob/linkage setup:
My running combine (no extra shifter and normal-sized gearbox):
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Posted: 19 Mar 2025 at 7:23am |
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wJohn, congratulations on getting your parts gleaner safely transported. It is a 1967 (sn 17201 & up) CII. No factory CII diesels ~ so maybe someone swapped in a D17 262 diesel, 2800 (301) from a 190, or 2800 (301) from newer 1968&up Gleaner F ???
Guessing it has a gear reduction added to its transmission? Gleaner offered a “Slow Speed Transmission” as one of their “options” to base machine. In slow speed trans mode, all gears (1,2,3 &R) speeds would be about 35% slower than “Standard trans in base models” for certain field conditions such as downed/lodged crop, high moisture grain, etc…
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Posted: 19 Mar 2025 at 7:57pm |
AC7060IL wrote:
wJohn, congratulations on getting your parts gleaner safely transported. It is a 1967 (sn 17201 & up) CII. No factory CII diesels ~ so maybe someone swapped in a D17 262 diesel, 2800 (301) from a 190, or 2800 (301) from newer 1968&up Gleaner F ???
Guessing it has a gear reduction added to its transmission? Gleaner offered a “Slow Speed Transmission” as one of their “options” to base machine. In slow speed trans mode, all gears (1,2,3 &R) speeds would be about 35% slower than “Standard trans in base models” for certain field conditions such as downed/lodged crop, high moisture grain, etc… |
I hate to disagree with your vast Gleaner knowledge, but I can for certain say that the 262 turbodiesel was an option on the CII (not sure if it was available yet when the straight C was in production?). Both the gas and diesel 262 motors are covered in my owner's and service manuals, and it's also in the AGCO parts book online. You just don't hardly see any of them so there must not have been too guys many that ordered the diesel back then.
Speaking of the parts book, I did eventually find this exact high-low transmission option shown in AGCO's parts book. My paper service manual only mentions the "low speed auxiliary transmission" which has to be what you are referring to. The high-low must have come out later in production. I am not sure if you had only 2 total high and low ranges or if there was a high-direct-low for 3 sets of speeds. I can't find much info on it.
I am finding these had a lot of neat options that Gleaner probably didn't make too many of in total over production.
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Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 7:17am |
wjohn wrote:
AC7060IL wrote:
wJohn, congratulations on getting your parts gleaner safely transported. It is a 1967 (sn 17201 & up) CII. No factory CII diesels ~ so maybe someone swapped in a D17 262 diesel, 2800 (301) from a 190, or 2800 (301) from newer 1968&up Gleaner F ???
Guessing it has a gear reduction added to its transmission? Gleaner offered a “Slow Speed Transmission” as one of their “options” to base machine. In slow speed trans mode, all gears (1,2,3 &R) speeds would be about 35% slower than “Standard trans in base models” for certain field conditions such as downed/lodged crop, high moisture grain, etc… |
I hate to disagree with your vast Gleaner knowledge, but I can for certain say that the 262 turbodiesel was an option on the CII (not sure if it was available yet when the straight C was in production?). Both the gas and diesel 262 motors are covered in my owner's and service manuals, and it's also in the AGCO parts book online. You just don't hardly see any of them so there must not have been too guys many that ordered the diesel back then.
Speaking of the parts book, I did eventually find this exact high-low transmission option shown in AGCO's parts book. My paper service manual only mentions the "low speed auxiliary transmission" which has to be what you are referring to. The high-low must have come out later in production. I am not sure if you had only 2 total high and low ranges or if there was a high-direct-low for 3 sets of speeds. I can't find much info on it.
I am finding these had a lot of neat options that Gleaner probably didn't make too many of in total over production. |
Good to know. My apologies. I’ve never owned/operated any C/CII machines. So hence, I don’t have any parts books for them either. And my limited sources on the C/CII didn’t show a diesel option. And yes like I said about the transmission, I was guessing it was called Slow speed which is how Gleaner termed that option in the 1970s.
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Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 11:35pm |
AC7060IL wrote:
Good to know. My apologies. I’ve never owned/operated any C/CII machines. So hence, I don’t have any parts books for them either. And my limited sources on the C/CII didn’t show a diesel option.
And yes like I said about the transmission, I was guessing it was called Slow speed which is how Gleaner termed that option in the 1970s. |
We'll have to get you into a CII sometime! They seemed to have been a really popular combine out here in wheat country. I have lots to learn about the other models as I've pretty well been laser focused on the C/CIIs since I brought this one home and always enjoy reading your posts.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2025 at 8:12pm |
My CII is a 1968 model. Propane engine. CII is a good machine.
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